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SIAP/FC: A. Lubrano's email to Eric Barron re: JVP not recognized among best-ever coaches by SI
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Good move. Whatever can be done - no matter how small - to drive these goof balls from the field.
It’s beyond laughable. It’s disgraceful. Those two get a pass because they were church going nice guys dang ump it, or whatever phrase he used. Fact is they were not nice at all, and to put them on a list with Joe is embarrassing. Same mentality that gave Osborne the 94 championship.
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Journalism in general - my guess is SI said ‘no Joe.’ Writer/gender doesn’t matter.
What was his great body of work? Hayes acted like a buffoon all the time - not just that Gator Bowl game - like that bozo Kelly from Notre Dame). He padded his record beating up on a lousy Big10 (little 8) and consistently lost his bowl games and any other big game.
Wow, your Dad had to have been quite a man to survive Bataan.
Which is precisely why the misanthrope, charlatans like Barron, Dambly and Lubert hated him. Their dicks are microscopic in size to his.
Osborne top 4? What a joke. He was gifted his NC in 94.
And osborne played known trainwreck lawrence phillips to get that “national championship”. There’s no way that Joe would have kept phillips on the team under those circumstances.
Thanks Rick, and the concentration camps, the hell ships & ended in the Fukuoka POW camp
That list is bull$hit and filled with cheaters, liars and all around bad men. Joseph Vincent Paterno is the greatest coach in ANY sport that has ever walked the face of the earth. Period
Phuck Dambly and all his peers.... may the rest of his and their lives be their initiation for entrance into coward Hell.
And friends of mine wonder how I went from caring about everything about Penn state, to only following football, and no longer care....
Realize that these people do not care what we think, and never will. They have won, we have lost. Get used to it, because it's not going to change.
What the hell is wrong with this Dambly guy? The email was not rude.
Not me. I will never stop the crusade to correct the narrative.
Still - astonishingly - Lubrano voted for Lubert as chair. that was F'ed up, too.
Your world must be full of darkness and despair. I feel for you.
Wrong and Dambly are synonymous.
Means the same thing if your reading and confused Mark
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I get being mad about JoPa’s exclusion and I guess one could argue Pres. Baron could have spoken out. But the BOT runs the show in any university and Baron wasn’t president when the damage was done. So assuming the narrative of OGBOT being responsible, Baron’s hands would have been tied—even though he said he’s review when under pressure.
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Yep. Said that recently in an email reply to a university rep who wanted to meet with alums in the area. I said if you can introduce me to Coach Franklin so we can talk football, then yes, I'm available and interested. Otherwise, no thanks. She did respond but only to tell me thanks for my time.
Barron's the freakin' president of the university. He could drive whatever narrative he wanted. He has chosen to allow the false narrative to remain unchallenged in any official way. I concur with Anthony that Barron's inaction equals cowardice.
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I’m not. Just seems he’s getting more credit than he deserves for hurting Joe.
I wish he would have done whatever and spoken out. And obviously he didn’t do that. But anyone who genuinely believes the OGBOT threw Joe under the bus for their own purposes can’t reasonably expect the BOT’s next hire to undermine them.
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The real reason is they feared a full investigation would expose all the criminal activities they had been engaged in like the rigged BoT election in the 90s loaded the BoT with PMA stooges, how they then hired PMA to be their insurance carrier, and how they how they changed the charter giving them the power to appoint their fellow BoT members and successors.
Dumping on Joe and the athletic program was a massive CYA job.
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First, Lubrano's e-mail was rude, intentionally so. One does not accuse someone else of cowardice without being rude.
What's wrong with Dambly? His answer is typical of a stupid little cvnt. "Stupid" in the sense that he couldn't come up with something better, more barbed. "Little cvnt" in the sense that he lacks the stones to stand up and be confrontational which is called for here. Kinda' makes me wish I were in the real estate bidness.
I hear ya, and that is probably a common way for people to consider the current situation.
I have a different pov. Regardless of when Barron came on board, he and the BOT know the facts now more than they assumed back in Nov. 2011. They have had multiple if not countless opportunities to set the record straight, and have chosen to not do so. The brief commemoration of the 50th anniversary of Joe's first game in 2016 showed them just how long any media outrage would last over a JoePa statement, which is not very.
They know damn well they have flushed away the best athletics-related goodwill asset that any university could ever hope for.
They currently have the facts and the benefit of hindsight(!) to calmly and rationally explain their actions and mistakes from Nov. 2011 and July 2012. They have mumbled as much in brief and barely publicized statements (Barron), and privately know they screwed up (many of the OGBOT). Not everyone will buy in, of course, but that is hardly the point.
The world of college athletics is missing out on JVP's true legacy, the whole concept of success with honor, of the Grand Experiment, etc., by PSU not taking the lead in telling the story far and wide, starting with right here on our campus and in our publications and in our brand. Franklin gets huge credit for basically echoing Joe's approach, and rightfully so. But the model is very much in place on a nationwide scale, meaning there are zero excuses for any sport at any school to not follow JVP's lead.
The Alumni-elected BOT members who have seen inside the personalities acknowledge that the #1 reason the OGBOT will not cede on this is due to ego. They don't want to be seen as having made a rash, poorly-considered decision and be found out that they were not honest with the public during the Freeh nonsense. To me, that translates into a serious lack of leadership on an important point regarding their responsibility to PSU, and cowardice is a key cause of them not willing to step up. I am not comparing it to their head-scratching budgetary decisions and in-yer-face conflicts of interest, but this issue is important in its own right to countless of us.
Just my opinion.
I'm not really arguing that. But these are high level executive positions, not eunuchs. Take a stand if it's the right thing to do. If the BOT fires you, you sit back and collect the remainder of your contract. If Barron was a man of principle, he'd rightly defend Paterno, which, by the way, would just so happen to be a defense of the university of which he is president. Rightly or wrongly, to many people Paterno was the face of Penn State. So a defense of him, especially considering that his position here is eminently defensible, would be in the best interests of the university. That being the case, I'd say cowardice is actually a pretty generous word to describe Barron's inaction.
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Hard to be a Penn Stater and disagree with most of that. And I totally agree the narrative survives to save face and not dirty ones own hands by revisiting it—for many.
Thanks for the thoughtful dialogue.
As a retired USAF member, I salute his service. Certainly one of the very fortunate ones twho made it home though I would think some physical and emotional difficulties followed him the rest of his life.
They never have any answer beyond the 'we demand you don't do that' nonsense. They have no real, logical, here are facts to support the other side of the coin response. Never did, never will. They simply want to suppress instead of discuss.
More lack of leadership, more ego run amok, more cowardice.
And I hope they are monitoring this discussion. They need to at least read what they won't allow to be stated in the public session of the BOT meetings. (more, you know, cowardice there, btw).
Of course not. Dambly's response to Lubrano is characteristic of the way I've seen him behave in Board meetings.
