Chances Barron will ever see that email? Better chance of winning powerball while getting struck by lightning
SIAP/FC: A. Lubrano's email to Eric Barron re: JVP not recognized among best-ever coaches by SI
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You mean there’s a chance?
Apparently you never saw/don’t remember Barron’s “things I know” commentary
Wasn’t Barron supposed to read the Freeh report and then make it public? Was he supposed to refute it?
I didn’t know he was a baron as well. Boy , I hope he finishes that freeh report review soon.
Don't you recall that he told us that he has more important things to do........like build a museum.
No doubt Joe is top three if not number 1. And of course younger folks have no clue and some older folks conveniently forget how dominant Joe was for the first 20-25 years of his career. Most coaches don't have to deal with having four undefeated seasons and getting nothing for them. And a Paterno in his prime would have owned a playoff system as he owned the bowls.
The only downside of Joe is he got old and lost his edge in all areas including facilities, staff, and recruiting.
He’s stuck trying to find the pictures?
Or maybe he needs help reading.....SuePa? SuePa?
SI is ball less as well. They didn’t want to deal with the ignorant folks that believe everything from MSM and that narrative that would whine to them about including Paterno. So rather than having the guts and integrity to include him they took the easy cowardly way out by omitting him.
Personal note on Woody--I met him twice. My last term at tOSU (grad school) I was taking teaching classes. He liked to come over to the Education building and talk with the future teachers. I was told by others that it was pretty common for him to do that. I was one of them (though I ended up getting another job not in education). He always thought education was important. I respected that.
I hope thinking education is important is not such a rarity in the USA. As for Hayes, he was nuts. And not as good a coach as JVP.
Riddle me this Batman........ which party would you sign your soul to....
the Japanese, or the American prisoners kneeling in their graves waiting to be executed or our prisoners watching knowing in time this would also be their faith.
In one of my father's many war crime depositions, he described the execution of five american POWs while kneeling in their graves they sang God Bless America prior to being shot......
Let it sink children...look to the left, look to the right...can you select the Patriot that will give his life to protect your well being.
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SI isn't alone. I google-searched "greatest college football coaches all time" and ALL of the below articles (1) are not the SI article, (2) were among the Top 5 hits, (3) were written in the last 3 years, and (4) don't have JoePa in the Top 10:
https://www.foxsports.com/college-f...ad-coaches-in-college-football-history-060917
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/890705-college-football-the-top-50-coaches-of-all-time
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/10-best-football-coaches-all-time/
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JoePa in the #8-#14 range seems fair to me.
Most # of victories all-time is a great mark.
He also took over a program that was already good and will forever have structural advantages in their favor. 2 National Championships is a lot but there are 15 (!!!) coaches with more. His record in the 2000s was poor and he was a below-average coach for that decade - that hits his legacy as well.
JoePa was a very very good college football coach. I don't think he's among the 4 on Mount Rushmore, either.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-f...ad-coaches-in-college-football-history-060917
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/890705-college-football-the-top-50-coaches-of-all-time
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/10-best-football-coaches-all-time/
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JoePa in the #8-#14 range seems fair to me.
Most # of victories all-time is a great mark.
He also took over a program that was already good and will forever have structural advantages in their favor. 2 National Championships is a lot but there are 15 (!!!) coaches with more. His record in the 2000s was poor and he was a below-average coach for that decade - that hits his legacy as well.
JoePa was a very very good college football coach. I don't think he's among the 4 on Mount Rushmore, either.
Go back to fvcking yourself.
You can not be serious?!
Osborne also took over a program which was already good. His bowl record was pretty average. Would you penalize him for all that?
Also, Joe's record in the 2000s (2000-2010) was 84-52. It's not up to his usual standard but it's hardly "poor". Is a 61% win rate "below average" in your opinion?
As for Osborne - I would. Actually, Bob Devaney is the guy who gets under-rated one in these "best all time coaches" lists.
And 61% is absolutely "below average" for Penn State football. The 2000s were our worst decade - at least in terms of looking only at win percentage - in the entire 1940s to present day era!
Boy, haven't seen you for ages. Figured it would be a thread defending Paterno that would bring you out of the woodwork. Sure was nice when you were away.
I posted the wrong one. My bad:
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/192030618/best-100-college-football-coaches-ever-top-25
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Judging Paterno’s legacy purely on wins and losses is really missing the point. When you look at his profound impact on the school, his incredible longevity (61 years at the same institution imo separates him from the pack) and the standard he set on and off the field, he really is THE quintessential college football coach. It would be interesting to see a poll done by current and former coaches. I’m guessing Joe would be extremely high on that list.
Joe took over a decent but not very prestigious program and turned it into one of the most successful programs of its times. Penn State was not considered any where close to a premier program in the 1950’s and early 1960’s. Joe changed all of that... certainly to a greater extent than many of the coaches recognized on the SI list.
In all fairness, it was only his record in the first half of the 2000’s...in the second half of the decade he was 51-13.
Joe made PSU a national program. Under Rip and predecessors PSU was viewed as a regional program.
Joe had to be a big part of the program under Rip due to his recruiting efforts. So he played a large role in establishing whatever he inherited.
Observations of reality aren’t rude.
I view it as doing him a favor, pointing out a glaring weakness when those closest to him will not.
I guess had Anthony been polite in his e-mail message, barren would have taken it upon himself to restore Joe's legacy at Penn State. They would probably be putting the statue up by now. Shame on Anthony for not killing them with kindness.
Add on the four undefeated seasons and Joe had six NCs. Hell if the idiots recognized 69 and 94 he's got four NCs.
And he was probably the greatest bowl coach ever so God only knows what he would do in a playoff.
And after 86 Joe had made Penn State the top program in the country. We won the NC in 82, played for the NC in 85, and won the NC in 86. He also had the best winning percentage of any coach at the time.
He had a bad spell in the early 2000s because of age but was still great enough to turn it around and if not for bs at scum Penn State would have been undefeated again in 2005.
let's not forget the real villain in this
Everything points to Corbett when it comes to why the narrative is what it is, but Penn State can rewrite this at any time. Hell, even Corbett said firing JVP may have been a mistake!
Of course Penn State can do whatever it wants. corbett is invisible now. What is he doing, “working” for a third-rate law firm in Harrisburg?
