So let me get this straight. For those of you who believe the allegations against Joe Paterno.

[bplionfan]

You obviously think Joe is a despicable man. So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….So that is your thinking right? Someone who is that despicable would certainly not chose to be that despicable only in child molestation reporting scenarios, he would also likely be despicable in many other parts of his life to gain an edge on the football field, correct?

So please explain to me why this “despicable” man had no skeletons in his closet regarding his life in any other aspect. Remember when it was discovered there was an FBI file on Joe that some media outlet get their hands on, that was going to be the Uhh Huh moment where the real truth on Joe would be exposed. Oh wait, what..That turned out to be absolutely nothing. There are more than 900 pages in Joe Paterno's FBI file, but not a single mention of Jerry Sandusky. Obviously the FBI was covering up for this despicable man otherwise we would all get to see those skeletons..... right...

Someone this despicable in their personal life no doubt had several marriages and cheating scandals. Oh wait, he married once in 1962 and remained married until his death in 2012.

This despicable man obviously willing to do anything to win no doubt would interfere with the local police when it came to protecting his football players from trouble… Oh wait…. District Judge: 'Never Once' Any Sign Paterno Tampered in Justice System I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. The events of the past few months have disturbed my family and me, just like they have everyone else. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.

When it was discovered there was a 98 incident and Jerry retired after that, uh huh.. We got you now Joe, you found out about the 98 incident and forced Jerry to retire. You hid that you knew about 98. What oh wait, Joe kept notes and a note was found before the 98 incident that plans were in the works for JS to retire before that incident.

That despicable Joe, in 2001 conspired to hide allegations against Jerry Sandusky…. Oh wait….Interview with state attorneys Frank Fina and Joe McGettigan, who prosecuted the child sexual abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. Asked whether Paterno was part of the "conspiracy to conceal," Fina said this."I do not. And -- and I -- I'm viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence."

Penn State coach Paterno praised by Attorney General for acting appropriately in reporting Jerry Sandusky sex abuse suspicions

Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

From the NCAA itself, Joe Paterno did what is required of reporting possible sexual assault.

Someone this despicable was not respected in the college football world, right and was all about winning above all else, right. Oh wait.

Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has been named the winner of the 2011 NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award.

“I am honored to present this award to coach Paterno,” Emmert said. “His ‘total-person’ approach to student-athletes, emphasizing academics and personal accountability is a terrific example of everything the NCAA stands for. Coach Paterno has distinguished himself to the world by his wins on the field, but he has endeared himself to thousands of student-athletes who have learned through his leadership that success in the classroom and in life is the greatest accomplishment.

"For me, Coach Paterno is the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach."

Paterno’s program emphasizes academics as a constant companion to athletics. For the third consecutive year, Penn State led all FBS teams in first-team ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-American selections. He is known for requiring his student-athletes to attend class, devote adequate time to their studies and graduate. Under his leadership, Penn State football has an 84 percent graduation rate.

A five-time National Coach of the Year, Paterno began his career at Penn State during the Truman administration and has coached through 12 presidential terms. During Paterno’s tenure, his teams have produced 16 Hall of Fame Scholar-Athletes, 47 ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners. Penn State has had at least one Academic All-American in each of the past nine years, with 13 first-team honorees during the last four years.

In 1998 Paterno; his wife, Sue; and their five children announced a $3.5 million contribution to Penn State. The gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture and the University Libraries. It also supported two building projects, the interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum. The Paternos have also made a $1 million contribution to the Mount Nittany Medical Center, supporting an expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility. They have been active in the Special Olympics and in 2008 were inducted into the Special Olympics Pennsylvania Hall of Fame. Even Paterno’s iconic glasses have made a difference. In 2010 an autographed pair pulled in $9,000 to benefit Penn State Public Broadcasting.

According to the NCAA in 2011, there are 17 schools with major athletic departments (whose football teams compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision) that have never been found guilty of any major violation in any sport since 1953, when the NCAA began tracking rule violations. That's about 14% of the total. The bulk of these schools (13) are programs like Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Kent State that play in second-tier conferences where the pressure, the scrutiny, the level of recruiting and the expectations are smaller. There are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list. They are Boston College, Northwestern, Penn State and Stanford.

So to those of you who think these allegations are true, answer this, if Joe Paterno was all about winning, to get an advantage why didn’t Joe do what the most obvious thing for major college football programs do to win, why didn’t he cheat? Someone so despicable would obviously cheat right?

 

[NittPicker]

Joe was on the grassy knoll in 1966. Of course I don't believe that but if it's included in one of the depositions it will be considered an indisputable fact even if the time is off by three years.

 

[psuro]

Joe was on the grassy knoll in 1966. Of course I don't believe that but if it's included in one of the depositions it will be considered an indisputable fact even if the time is off by three years.

Grassy knoll in 1966? Three years after JFK was shot? Of course he was! And he shot JFK!

 

[PSU65]

You obviously think Joe is a despicable man. So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….So that is your thinking right? Someone who is that despicable would certainly not chose to be that despicable only in child molestation reporting scenarios, he would also likely be despicable in many other parts of his life to gain an edge on the football field, correct?

So please explain to me why this “despicable” man had no skeletons in his closet regarding his life in any other aspect. Remember when it was discovered there was an FBI file on Joe that some media outlet get their hands on, that was going to be the Uhh Huh moment where the real truth on Joe would be exposed. Oh wait, what..That turned out to be absolutely nothing. There are more than 900 pages in Joe Paterno's FBI file, but not a single mention of Jerry Sandusky. Obviously the FBI was covering up for this despicable man otherwise we would all get to see those skeletons..... right...

Someone this despicable in their personal life no doubt had several marriages and cheating scandals. Oh wait, he married once in 1962 and remained married until his death in 2012.

This despicable man obviously willing to do anything to win no doubt would interfere with the local police when it came to protecting his football players from trouble… Oh wait…. District Judge: 'Never Once' Any Sign Paterno Tampered in Justice System I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. The events of the past few months have disturbed my family and me, just like they have everyone else. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.

When it was discovered there was a 98 incident and Jerry retired after that, uh huh.. We got you now Joe, you found out about the 98 incident and forced Jerry to retire. You hid that you knew about 98. What oh wait, Joe kept notes and a note was found before the 98 incident that plans were in the works for JS to retire before that incident.

That despicable Joe, in 2001 conspired to hide allegations against Jerry Sandusky…. Oh wait….Interview with state attorneys Frank Fina and Joe McGettigan, who prosecuted the child sexual abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. Asked whether Paterno was part of the "conspiracy to conceal," Fina said this."I do not. And -- and I -- I'm viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence."

Penn State coach Paterno praised by Attorney General for acting appropriately in reporting Jerry Sandusky sex abuse suspicions

Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

From the NCAA itself, Joe Paterno did what is required of reporting possible sexual assault.

Someone this despicable was not respected in the college football world, right and was all about winning above all else, right. Oh wait.

Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has been named the winner of the 2011 NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award.

“I am honored to present this award to coach Paterno,” Emmert said. “His ‘total-person’ approach to student-athletes, emphasizing academics and personal accountability is a terrific example of everything the NCAA stands for. Coach Paterno has distinguished himself to the world by his wins on the field, but he has endeared himself to thousands of student-athletes who have learned through his leadership that success in the classroom and in life is the greatest accomplishment.

"For me, Coach Paterno is the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach."

Paterno’s program emphasizes academics as a constant companion to athletics. For the third consecutive year, Penn State led all FBS teams in first-team ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-American selections. He is known for requiring his student-athletes to attend class, devote adequate time to their studies and graduate. Under his leadership, Penn State football has an 84 percent graduation rate.

A five-time National Coach of the Year, Paterno began his career at Penn State during the Truman administration and has coached through 12 presidential terms. During Paterno’s tenure, his teams have produced 16 Hall of Fame Scholar-Athletes, 47 ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners. Penn State has had at least one Academic All-American in each of the past nine years, with 13 first-team honorees during the last four years.

In 1998 Paterno; his wife, Sue; and their five children announced a $3.5 million contribution to Penn State. The gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture and the University Libraries. It also supported two building projects, the interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum. The Paternos have also made a $1 million contribution to the Mount Nittany Medical Center, supporting an expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility. They have been active in the Special Olympics and in 2008 were inducted into the Special Olympics Pennsylvania Hall of Fame. Even Paterno’s iconic glasses have made a difference. In 2010 an autographed pair pulled in $9,000 to benefit Penn State Public Broadcasting.

According to the NCAA in 2011, there are 17 schools with major athletic departments (whose football teams compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision) that have never been found guilty of any major violation in any sport since 1953, when the NCAA began tracking rule violations. That's about 14% of the total. The bulk of these schools (13) are programs like Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Kent State that play in second-tier conferences where the pressure, the scrutiny, the level of recruiting and the expectations are smaller. There are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list. They are Boston College, Northwestern, Penn State and Stanford.

So to those of you who think these allegations are true, answer this, if Joe Paterno was all about winning, to get an advantage why didn’t Joe do what the most obvious thing for major college football programs do to win, why didn’t he cheat? Someone so despicable would obviously cheat right?

I feel your pain. Unfortunately, people don't want to hear facts or logic. He's already been found guilty in the court of public opinion. It's so sad.

 

[jim cummings]

You obviously think Joe is a despicable man. So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….So that is your thinking right? Someone who is that despicable would certainly not chose to be that despicable only in child molestation reporting scenarios, he would also likely be despicable in many other parts of his life to gain an edge on the football field, correct?

So please explain to me why this “despicable” man had no skeletons in his closet regarding his life in any other aspect. Remember when it was discovered there was an FBI file on Joe that some media outlet get their hands on, that was going to be the Uhh Huh moment where the real truth on Joe would be exposed. Oh wait, what..That turned out to be absolutely nothing. There are more than 900 pages in Joe Paterno's FBI file, but not a single mention of Jerry Sandusky. Obviously the FBI was covering up for this despicable man otherwise we would all get to see those skeletons..... right...

Someone this despicable in their personal life no doubt had several marriages and cheating scandals. Oh wait, he married once in 1962 and remained married until his death in 2012.

This despicable man obviously willing to do anything to win no doubt would interfere with the local police when it came to protecting his football players from trouble… Oh wait…. District Judge: 'Never Once' Any Sign Paterno Tampered in Justice System I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. The events of the past few months have disturbed my family and me, just like they have everyone else. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.

When it was discovered there was a 98 incident and Jerry retired after that, uh huh.. We got you now Joe, you found out about the 98 incident and forced Jerry to retire. You hid that you knew about 98. What oh wait, Joe kept notes and a note was found before the 98 incident that plans were in the works for JS to retire before that incident.

That despicable Joe, in 2001 conspired to hide allegations against Jerry Sandusky…. Oh wait….Interview with state attorneys Frank Fina and Joe McGettigan, who prosecuted the child sexual abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. Asked whether Paterno was part of the "conspiracy to conceal," Fina said this."I do not. And -- and I -- I'm viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence."

Penn State coach Paterno praised by Attorney General for acting appropriately in reporting Jerry Sandusky sex abuse suspicions

Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

From the NCAA itself, Joe Paterno did what is required of reporting possible sexual assault.

Someone this despicable was not respected in the college football world, right and was all about winning above all else, right. Oh wait.

Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has been named the winner of the 2011 NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award.

“I am honored to present this award to coach Paterno,” Emmert said. “His ‘total-person’ approach to student-athletes, emphasizing academics and personal accountability is a terrific example of everything the NCAA stands for. Coach Paterno has distinguished himself to the world by his wins on the field, but he has endeared himself to thousands of student-athletes who have learned through his leadership that success in the classroom and in life is the greatest accomplishment.

"For me, Coach Paterno is the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach."

Paterno’s program emphasizes academics as a constant companion to athletics. For the third consecutive year, Penn State led all FBS teams in first-team ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-American selections. He is known for requiring his student-athletes to attend class, devote adequate time to their studies and graduate. Under his leadership, Penn State football has an 84 percent graduation rate.

A five-time National Coach of the Year, Paterno began his career at Penn State during the Truman administration and has coached through 12 presidential terms. During Paterno’s tenure, his teams have produced 16 Hall of Fame Scholar-Athletes, 47 ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners. Penn State has had at least one Academic All-American in each of the past nine years, with 13 first-team honorees during the last four years.

In 1998 Paterno; his wife, Sue; and their five children announced a $3.5 million contribution to Penn State. The gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture and the University Libraries. It also supported two building projects, the interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum. The Paternos have also made a $1 million contribution to the Mount Nittany Medical Center, supporting an expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility. They have been active in the Special Olympics and in 2008 were inducted into the Special Olympics Pennsylvania Hall of Fame. Even Paterno’s iconic glasses have made a difference. In 2010 an autographed pair pulled in $9,000 to benefit Penn State Public Broadcasting.

According to the NCAA in 2011, there are 17 schools with major athletic departments (whose football teams compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision) that have never been found guilty of any major violation in any sport since 1953, when the NCAA began tracking rule violations. That's about 14% of the total. The bulk of these schools (13) are programs like Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Kent State that play in second-tier conferences where the pressure, the scrutiny, the level of recruiting and the expectations are smaller. There are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list. They are Boston College, Northwestern, Penn State and Stanford.

So to those of you who think these allegations are true, answer this, if Joe Paterno was all about winning, to get an advantage why didn’t Joe do what the most obvious thing for major college football programs do to win, why didn’t he cheat? Someone so despicable would obviously cheat right?

Or if Joe was so hell bent on protecting the football program, why didn't he personally negotiate and pay out the settlements? What would Joe Paterno have to gain by forcing "victims" to forfeit their right to sue The Second Mile?

Why is the former chair of The Second Mile settling on PSUs behalf and forcing every victim to forfeit their right to sue The Second Mile?

Surely there's an answer to this and it's not "I don't have time for this, here Ira, you make it go away."

 

[LundyPSU]

You obviously think Joe is a despicable man. So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….So that is your thinking right? Someone who is that despicable would certainly not chose to be that despicable only in child molestation reporting scenarios, he would also likely be despicable in many other parts of his life to gain an edge on the football field, correct?

So please explain to me why this “despicable” man had no skeletons in his closet regarding his life in any other aspect. Remember when it was discovered there was an FBI file on Joe that some media outlet get their hands on, that was going to be the Uhh Huh moment where the real truth on Joe would be exposed. Oh wait, what..That turned out to be absolutely nothing. There are more than 900 pages in Joe Paterno's FBI file, but not a single mention of Jerry Sandusky. Obviously the FBI was covering up for this despicable man otherwise we would all get to see those skeletons..... right...

Someone this despicable in their personal life no doubt had several marriages and cheating scandals. Oh wait, he married once in 1962 and remained married until his death in 2012.

This despicable man obviously willing to do anything to win no doubt would interfere with the local police when it came to protecting his football players from trouble… Oh wait…. District Judge: 'Never Once' Any Sign Paterno Tampered in Justice System I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. The events of the past few months have disturbed my family and me, just like they have everyone else. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.

When it was discovered there was a 98 incident and Jerry retired after that, uh huh.. We got you now Joe, you found out about the 98 incident and forced Jerry to retire. You hid that you knew about 98. What oh wait, Joe kept notes and a note was found before the 98 incident that plans were in the works for JS to retire before that incident.

That despicable Joe, in 2001 conspired to hide allegations against Jerry Sandusky…. Oh wait….Interview with state attorneys Frank Fina and Joe McGettigan, who prosecuted the child sexual abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. Asked whether Paterno was part of the "conspiracy to conceal," Fina said this."I do not. And -- and I -- I'm viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence."

Penn State coach Paterno praised by Attorney General for acting appropriately in reporting Jerry Sandusky sex abuse suspicions

Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

From the NCAA itself, Joe Paterno did what is required of reporting possible sexual assault.

Someone this despicable was not respected in the college football world, right and was all about winning above all else, right. Oh wait.

Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has been named the winner of the 2011 NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award.

“I am honored to present this award to coach Paterno,” Emmert said. “His ‘total-person’ approach to student-athletes, emphasizing academics and personal accountability is a terrific example of everything the NCAA stands for. Coach Paterno has distinguished himself to the world by his wins on the field, but he has endeared himself to thousands of student-athletes who have learned through his leadership that success in the classroom and in life is the greatest accomplishment.

"For me, Coach Paterno is the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach."

Paterno’s program emphasizes academics as a constant companion to athletics. For the third consecutive year, Penn State led all FBS teams in first-team ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-American selections. He is known for requiring his student-athletes to attend class, devote adequate time to their studies and graduate. Under his leadership, Penn State football has an 84 percent graduation rate.

A five-time National Coach of the Year, Paterno began his career at Penn State during the Truman administration and has coached through 12 presidential terms. During Paterno’s tenure, his teams have produced 16 Hall of Fame Scholar-Athletes, 47 ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners. Penn State has had at least one Academic All-American in each of the past nine years, with 13 first-team honorees during the last four years.

In 1998 Paterno; his wife, Sue; and their five children announced a $3.5 million contribution to Penn State. The gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture and the University Libraries. It also supported two building projects, the interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum. The Paternos have also made a $1 million contribution to the Mount Nittany Medical Center, supporting an expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility. They have been active in the Special Olympics and in 2008 were inducted into the Special Olympics Pennsylvania Hall of Fame. Even Paterno’s iconic glasses have made a difference. In 2010 an autographed pair pulled in $9,000 to benefit Penn State Public Broadcasting.

According to the NCAA in 2011, there are 17 schools with major athletic departments (whose football teams compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision) that have never been found guilty of any major violation in any sport since 1953, when the NCAA began tracking rule violations. That's about 14% of the total. The bulk of these schools (13) are programs like Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Kent State that play in second-tier conferences where the pressure, the scrutiny, the level of recruiting and the expectations are smaller. There are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list. They are Boston College, Northwestern, Penn State and Stanford.

So to those of you who think these allegations are true, answer this, if Joe Paterno was all about winning, to get an advantage why didn’t Joe do what the most obvious thing for major college football programs do to win, why didn’t he cheat? Someone so despicable would obviously cheat right?

It is simple. A witch hunt. The media and most people are too lazy and too stupid to stop and think critically. There is no voice of reason, no pause to consider facts. Even the most ridiculous accusations go unquestioned. The alleged acts are heinous and people want blood. They need villains and they can't fathom how such heinous acts could occur without cover or accomplices.

 

[wcicci]

Joe was on the grassy knoll in 1966. Of course I don't believe that but if it's included in one of the depositions it will be considered an indisputable fact even if the time is off by three years.

At some point, I am hoping that the ludicrous nature of this whole saga benefits Paterno and his family. But I also thought that Donald Trump had put his foot in his mouth one too many times, yet he kept gaining momentum. Strange media environment today!

 

[MoonOverMyHammy]

I don't believe all the depositions, but I also don't believe that being a good coach makes you a good person (I've known plenty of coaches who were assholes). Making splashy donations to charity doesn't either. Lance Armstrong gave to charities.

 

[royboy]

It is simple. A witch hunt. The media and most people are too lazy and too stupid to stop and think critically. There is no voice of reason, no pause to consider facts. Even the most ridiculous accusations go unquestioned. The alleged acts are heinous and people want blood. They need villains and they can't fathom how such heinous acts could occur without cover or accomplices.

More than a witch hunt. The narrative is a smokescreen put up by those who want to cover their own misdeeds.

 

[PSU_Chicago]

Joe needs some "Ws" in this game. The local radio idiots are all over this. All allegations are facts. I had to turn it off.

 

[MoonOverMyHammy]

Or if Joe was so hell bent on protecting the football program, why didn't he personally negotiate and pay out the settlements? What would Joe Paterno have to gain by forcing "victims" to forfeit their right to sue The Second Mile?

Why is the former chair of The Second Mile settling on PSUs behalf and forcing every victim to forfeit their right to sue The Second Mile?

Surely there's an answer to this and it's not "I don't have time for this, here Ira, you make it go away."

They are allowed to sue anyone else, it's not just The Second Mile. Not everything is a conspiracy. It's to prevent potentially embarrassing details from coming out in another lawsuit.

 

[Zenophile]

I don't believe all the depositions, but I also don't believe that being a good coach makes you a good person (I've known plenty of coaches who were assholes). Making splashy donations to charity doesn't either. Lance Armstrong gave to charities.

If you're referring to Joe, the minutia of his life & ethos outside of coaching have been well documented.

 

[jim cummings]

They are allowed to sue anyone else, it's not just The Second Mile. Not everything is a conspiracy. It's to prevent potentially incriminating details from coming out in another lawsuit.

Fixed it for you, jack ass.

 

[jim cummings]

They are allowed to sue anyone else, it's not just The Second Mile. Not everything is a conspiracy. It's to prevent potentially embarrassing details from coming out in another lawsuit.

Also, wouldn't this method be considered a "cover-up"? What are they covering up that may be embarrassing? And why would they care?

Is it that their own personal finances could be affected?

If that's the case, what exactly do we NOT know that could cause other people financial loss? They have already let Joe be tarred and feathered. Since this was all about him and the 3 amigos, why would anyone pulling these settlement strings care if any further embarrassing details emerge? If it was all about Joe and the administrators, then there's no need to worry about anyone suing the second mile so why the need to add that clause?

 

[Zenophile]

They are allowed to sue anyone else, it's not just The Second Mile. Not everything is a conspiracy. It's to prevent potentially embarrassing details from coming out in another lawsuit.

Those who signed agreements with the university in exchange for payouts have also relinquished their right to sue the Second Mile, which was a condition set forth by the university. This is fact.

 

[jim cummings]

Those who signed agreements with the university in exchange for payouts have also relinquished their right to sue the Second Mile, which was a condition set forth by the university. This is fact.

I think he means that it's not just the second mile that can't be sued. It's you can't sue anyone else on this planet and that if you have an issue, take it up with the reps of PSU.

Which is even more mind blowing when you think about it. But that also protects the individuals at Penn State who are writing the checks on PSUs behalf. So in case one day it comes out that Ira set the whole thing up, it's still on PSU, not him.

If you were a victim, wouldn't you not only sue PSU, but Curley and Schultz personally as well? What moon is saying also that if someone did sue Curley, that it's possible that Curley could defeat it, which would then bring the attention back to others. No why would anyone want that?

If Joe Paterno was the single reason for Jer to continue his reign of terror, you would know that his estate is well off. Why not go for that money too? After all, it was all Joes fault therefore the damages must be paid by the person responsible.

But that's not quite the case here, is it? But there's nothing to conspire against or anything.

Wrap your head around that.

 

[pandaczar12]

So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….

Great post! In the end logic will always win out. People think Joe had to cover up for an assistant coach because for some reason that helps win football games, but he didn't look for advantages elsewhere, in fact he many times held himself to a higher standard then he needed to.

I don't really see anyone talking about it, but JS was the freaking linebackers coach when these allegations from the 70s allegedly happened. No way he was that valuable.

 

[BBrown]

Those who signed agreements with the university in exchange for payouts have also relinquished their right to sue the Second Mile, which was a condition set forth by the university. This is fact.

And...drum roll please.....WHY....Why did PSU/BOT do this? What is so sacrosanct about the 2nd mile club?
My god its like "Fight Club" rules. and the first rule is....

 

[jim cummings]

And...drum roll please.....WHY....Why did PSU/BOT do this? What is so sacrosanct about the 2nd mile club?
My god its like "Fight Club" rules. and the first rule is....

It's clearly the elephant in the room. Its stench is so bad that nobody will go near it. You can't believe that out of how many journalists and news outlets in this state that not one person isn't naive.

There's something huge about that club and to me it seems there's some unwritten rule that nobody goes near it.

 

[kgilbert78]

I don't believe all the depositions, but I also don't believe that being a good coach makes you a good person (I've known plenty of coaches who were assholes). Making splashy donations to charity doesn't either. Lance Armstrong gave to charities.

This is a fair point.

But I will bring up one point I'm not sure I saw the OP make.

It's known that Joe's kids and grandkids had connections with the Sandusky family, though Joe and Sandusky were not close friends--in fact, if I am correct, some were babysat at Sandusky's house (I think Jay has said this). They swam in the same pool on bowl trips too.

While I can see a coach perhaps covering up about kids he didn't know, I can't see any father being willing to risk his own children and grandchildren. And that's the accusation being implicitly made.

 

[PSUPride1]

You obviously think Joe is a despicable man. So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….So that is your thinking right? Someone who is that despicable would certainly not chose to be that despicable only in child molestation reporting scenarios, he would also likely be despicable in many other parts of his life to gain an edge on the football field, correct?

So please explain to me why this “despicable” man had no skeletons in his closet regarding his life in any other aspect. Remember when it was discovered there was an FBI file on Joe that some media outlet get their hands on, that was going to be the Uhh Huh moment where the real truth on Joe would be exposed. Oh wait, what..That turned out to be absolutely nothing. There are more than 900 pages in Joe Paterno's FBI file, but not a single mention of Jerry Sandusky. Obviously the FBI was covering up for this despicable man otherwise we would all get to see those skeletons..... right...

Someone this despicable in their personal life no doubt had several marriages and cheating scandals. Oh wait, he married once in 1962 and remained married until his death in 2012.

This despicable man obviously willing to do anything to win no doubt would interfere with the local police when it came to protecting his football players from trouble… Oh wait…. District Judge: 'Never Once' Any Sign Paterno Tampered in Justice System I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. The events of the past few months have disturbed my family and me, just like they have everyone else. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.

When it was discovered there was a 98 incident and Jerry retired after that, uh huh.. We got you now Joe, you found out about the 98 incident and forced Jerry to retire. You hid that you knew about 98. What oh wait, Joe kept notes and a note was found before the 98 incident that plans were in the works for JS to retire before that incident.

That despicable Joe, in 2001 conspired to hide allegations against Jerry Sandusky…. Oh wait….Interview with state attorneys Frank Fina and Joe McGettigan, who prosecuted the child sexual abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. Asked whether Paterno was part of the "conspiracy to conceal," Fina said this."I do not. And -- and I -- I'm viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence."

Penn State coach Paterno praised by Attorney General for acting appropriately in reporting Jerry Sandusky sex abuse suspicions

Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

From the NCAA itself, Joe Paterno did what is required of reporting possible sexual assault.

Someone this despicable was not respected in the college football world, right and was all about winning above all else, right. Oh wait.

Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has been named the winner of the 2011 NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award.

“I am honored to present this award to coach Paterno,” Emmert said. “His ‘total-person’ approach to student-athletes, emphasizing academics and personal accountability is a terrific example of everything the NCAA stands for. Coach Paterno has distinguished himself to the world by his wins on the field, but he has endeared himself to thousands of student-athletes who have learned through his leadership that success in the classroom and in life is the greatest accomplishment.

"For me, Coach Paterno is the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach."

Paterno’s program emphasizes academics as a constant companion to athletics. For the third consecutive year, Penn State led all FBS teams in first-team ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-American selections. He is known for requiring his student-athletes to attend class, devote adequate time to their studies and graduate. Under his leadership, Penn State football has an 84 percent graduation rate.

A five-time National Coach of the Year, Paterno began his career at Penn State during the Truman administration and has coached through 12 presidential terms. During Paterno’s tenure, his teams have produced 16 Hall of Fame Scholar-Athletes, 47 ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners. Penn State has had at least one Academic All-American in each of the past nine years, with 13 first-team honorees during the last four years.

In 1998 Paterno; his wife, Sue; and their five children announced a $3.5 million contribution to Penn State. The gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture and the University Libraries. It also supported two building projects, the interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum. The Paternos have also made a $1 million contribution to the Mount Nittany Medical Center, supporting an expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility. They have been active in the Special Olympics and in 2008 were inducted into the Special Olympics Pennsylvania Hall of Fame. Even Paterno’s iconic glasses have made a difference. In 2010 an autographed pair pulled in $9,000 to benefit Penn State Public Broadcasting.

According to the NCAA in 2011, there are 17 schools with major athletic departments (whose football teams compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision) that have never been found guilty of any major violation in any sport since 1953, when the NCAA began tracking rule violations. That's about 14% of the total. The bulk of these schools (13) are programs like Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Kent State that play in second-tier conferences where the pressure, the scrutiny, the level of recruiting and the expectations are smaller. There are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list. They are Boston College, Northwestern, Penn State and Stanford.

So to those of you who think these allegations are true, answer this, if Joe Paterno was all about winning, to get an advantage why didn’t Joe do what the most obvious thing for major college football programs do to win, why didn’t he cheat? Someone so despicable would obviously cheat right?

Well said. I was ashamed of this board yesterday. Some of our PSU brethren are as bad as the mouth breathers and sanctimonious asses in the media.
Penn State caused this rash of baseless allegations against the football program when those in charge decided to scapegoat it and coach paterno. That's what eats away at my stomach. That's what makes me want to turn away from everything.
The only positive for me yesterday was some of these guys recognized the nonsense and shit storm coach franklin has to deal with thanks to penn state. They think it's so easy to win with a depleted roster and recruit with this nightmare hanging over every aspect of the program.
Coach Bradley, coach Schiano, and Coach Odea all said these allegations are dog shit. They must be despicable human beings too. Once again the lying pos of trash Mike Mcquery is telling stories that everyone else involved says our lies.
I hear a lot about smoke. What there is a smoke screen and even Penn Staters are falling for it. The man who wouldn't play guys because they missed a class would flippantly allow a child predator to run rampant and start a charity for kids. And for what. How does reporting JS, which he did but that fact is always overlooked, hurt Joe or his program at any point in time. Anyone with any common sense knows it doesn't.
There would be some embarrassment for the program but ultimately Joe would be hailed for doing the right thing, once again. And instead I'm supposed to believe he chose this course. He decided to throw away everything to protect a guy he didn't like. I say shame on any of you people for believing that.
The absurd, nonsensical allegation yesterday relative to joe is just another example of how ridiculous this nightmare has become.
The kid claims JS stuck his finger in his rectum and other players were around and saw this and did nothing so now our players were involved too. And please bear in mind this was a non-Penn State football camp this kid was at and from what I've learned Joe didn't work these camps. Anyway, the kid somehow gains an audience with Joe.
Now I'm supposed to believe the kid told Joe this story and Joe said buzz off I have a season to get ready for. Anyone who knows Joe, and I knew him to a certain extent, knows this is complete bs. The man had a heart of gold where kids were concerned. This story is a disgrace and the scumbag who made it should rot in hell. Joe started a charity for disabled kids and would do anything for kids. Just ask John Cappelletti. Anyway, back to fantasy land. So after getting brushed off by Joe the kid never tells another living sole. Folks, you can't be this stupid to believe this crap.
And this nonsensical story is made 40 years later with the backdrop of our beloved university paying millions of dollars to anyone and everyone. Thanks but I'll take curtain # 2 and say this kid and the lawyer are lying scumbags, and I don't mind saying it anymore.
I'm tired of these baseless allegations that are blatant money grabs further destroying lives. Shame on Penn State for enabling this. Shame.

 

[bplionfan]

This is a fair point.

But I will bring up one point I'm not sure I saw the OP make.

It's known that Joe's kids and grandkids had connections with the Sandusky family, though Joe and Sandusky were not close friends--in fact, if I am correct, some were babysat at Sandusky's house (I think Jay has said this). They swam in the same pool on bowl trips too.

While I can see a coach perhaps covering up about kids he didn't know, I can't see any father being willing to risk his own children and grandchildren. And that's the accusation being implicitly made.

Yea, I didn't make that point, because based on outsiders opinions, someone as despicable as Joe wouldn't care about putting his kids in harms way as long as he can keep the d coach happy and on the staff to keep winning....Yet he wouldn't stoop to a lower level in any other aspect of his life... Makes a lot of sense, huh...

 

[Madsol]

Well said. I was ashamed of this board yesterday. Some of our PSU brethren are as bad as the mouth breathers and sanctimonious asses in the media.
Penn State caused this rash of baseless allegations against the football program when those in charge decided to scapegoat it and coach paterno. That's what eats away at my stomach. That's what makes me want to turn away from everything.
The only positive for me yesterday was some of these guys recognized the nonsense and shit storm coach franklin has to deal with thanks to penn state. They think it's so easy to win with a depleted roster and recruit with this nightmare hanging over every aspect of the program.
Coach Bradley, coach Schiano, and Coach Odea all said these allegations are dog shit. They must be despicable human beings too. Once again the lying pos of trash Mike Mcquery is telling stories that everyone else involved says our lies.
I hear a lot about smoke. What there is a smoke screen and even Penn Staters are falling for it. The man who wouldn't play guys because they missed a class would flippantly allow a child predator to run rampant and start a charity for kids. And for what. How does reporting JS, which he did but that fact is always overlooked, hurt Joe or his program at any point in time. Anyone with any common sense knows it doesn't.
There would be some embarrassment for the program but ultimately Joe would be hailed for doing the right thing, once again. And instead I'm supposed to believe he chose this course. He decided to throw away everything to protect a guy he didn't like. I say shame on any of you people for believing that.
The absurd, nonsensical allegation yesterday relative to joe is just another example of how ridiculous this nightmare has become.
The kid claims JS stuck his finger in his rectum and other players were around and saw this and did nothing so now our players were involved too. And please bear in mind this was a non-Penn State football camp this kid was at and from what I've learned Joe didn't work these camps. Anyway, the kid somehow gains an audience with Joe.
Now I'm supposed to believe the kid told Joe this story and Joe said buzz off I have a season to get ready for. Anyone who knows Joe, and I knew him to a certain extent, knows this is complete bs. The man had a heart of gold where kids were concerned. This story is a disgrace and the scumbag who made it should rot in hell. Joe started a charity for disabled kids and would do anything for kids. Just ask John Cappelletti. Anyway, back to fantasy land. So after getting brushed off by Joe the kid never tells another living sole. Folks, you can't be this stupid to believe this crap.
And this nonsensical story is made 40 years later with the backdrop of our beloved university paying millions of dollars to anyone and everyone. Thanks but I'll take curtain # 2 and say this kid and the lawyer are lying scumbags, and I don't mind saying it anymore.
I'm tired of these baseless allegations that are blatant money grabs further destroying lives. Shame on Penn State for enabling this. Shame.

I'm with you. Sick and tired of dancing around the reality that people will lie for money and that some of these people are liars.

 

[BBG65]

We know that these are highly likely lies, but the MSM paints it as factual. There is an article in our local newspaper today and there is absolutely nothing in it to make anyone question the story. 99% of the population is accepting this story as fact. After all, it came out of a court document and why would the victims lie.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Joe needs some "Ws" in this game. The local radio idiots are all over this. All allegations are facts. I had to turn it off.

It's mind boggling that Joe was apparently so despised that he has ZERO friends of influence sticking up for or defending him - even after death. Media revenge for his disdain and treatment of those in the profession? Dunno. Sad though. Worse that we can't get one bulletproof piece of evidence to vindict or implicate Joe either way - this battle of undocumented testimony and incentivized accusations only makes things worse - for everyone.

 

[wensilver]

Well said. I was ashamed of this board yesterday. Some of our PSU brethren are as bad as the mouth breathers and sanctimonious asses in the media.
Penn State caused this rash of baseless allegations against the football program when those in charge decided to scapegoat it and coach paterno. That's what eats away at my stomach. That's what makes me want to turn away from everything.
The only positive for me yesterday was some of these guys recognized the nonsense and shit storm coach franklin has to deal with thanks to penn state. They think it's so easy to win with a depleted roster and recruit with this nightmare hanging over every aspect of the program.
Coach Bradley, coach Schiano, and Coach Odea all said these allegations are dog shit. They must be despicable human beings too. Once again the lying pos of trash Mike Mcquery is telling stories that everyone else involved says our lies.
I hear a lot about smoke. What there is a smoke screen and even Penn Staters are falling for it. The man who wouldn't play guys because they missed a class would flippantly allow a child predator to run rampant and start a charity for kids. And for what. How does reporting JS, which he did but that fact is always overlooked, hurt Joe or his program at any point in time. Anyone with any common sense knows it doesn't.
There would be some embarrassment for the program but ultimately Joe would be hailed for doing the right thing, once again. And instead I'm supposed to believe he chose this course. He decided to throw away everything to protect a guy he didn't like. I say shame on any of you people for believing that.
The absurd, nonsensical allegation yesterday relative to joe is just another example of how ridiculous this nightmare has become.
The kid claims JS stuck his finger in his rectum and other players were around and saw this and did nothing so now our players were involved too. And please bear in mind this was a non-Penn State football camp this kid was at and from what I've learned Joe didn't work these camps. Anyway, the kid somehow gains an audience with Joe.
Now I'm supposed to believe the kid told Joe this story and Joe said buzz off I have a season to get ready for. Anyone who knows Joe, and I knew him to a certain extent, knows this is complete bs. The man had a heart of gold where kids were concerned. This story is a disgrace and the scumbag who made it should rot in hell. Joe started a charity for disabled kids and would do anything for kids. Just ask John Cappelletti. Anyway, back to fantasy land. So after getting brushed off by Joe the kid never tells another living sole. Folks, you can't be this stupid to believe this crap.
And this nonsensical story is made 40 years later with the backdrop of our beloved university paying millions of dollars to anyone and everyone. Thanks but I'll take curtain # 2 and say this kid and the lawyer are lying scumbags, and I don't mind saying it anymore.
I'm tired of these baseless allegations that are blatant money grabs further destroying lives. Shame on Penn State for enabling this. Shame.

Excellent point. As someone who doesn't follow football I am stunned at the mental gymnastics fans at other schools and sports writers are doing to make this narrative fit.

When any parent of any teenager can tell you otherwise.

So if Joe can tell some kid to buzz off - he had a football season to prepare for, why didn't he do the same for Adam T?

Adam - buzz off - I have a football season to prepare for.

Honestly - common sense is so lost, and as a female it offends me. Because the same rules apply to us and our daughters as far as the grooming, the mental manipulation and mind games, the covert sexual harassment, the personal private sexual assault, and by these arguments we women should be able to sniff out our sexual offenders JUST.LIKE.THAT.

So how's that working for us?

 

[Howie'81]

You obviously think Joe is a despicable man. So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….So that is your thinking right? Someone who is that despicable would certainly not chose to be that despicable only in child molestation reporting scenarios, he would also likely be despicable in many other parts of his life to gain an edge on the football field, correct?

So please explain to me why this “despicable” man had no skeletons in his closet regarding his life in any other aspect. Remember when it was discovered there was an FBI file on Joe that some media outlet get their hands on, that was going to be the Uhh Huh moment where the real truth on Joe would be exposed. Oh wait, what..That turned out to be absolutely nothing. There are more than 900 pages in Joe Paterno's FBI file, but not a single mention of Jerry Sandusky. Obviously the FBI was covering up for this despicable man otherwise we would all get to see those skeletons..... right...

Someone this despicable in their personal life no doubt had several marriages and cheating scandals. Oh wait, he married once in 1962 and remained married until his death in 2012.

This despicable man obviously willing to do anything to win no doubt would interfere with the local police when it came to protecting his football players from trouble… Oh wait…. District Judge: 'Never Once' Any Sign Paterno Tampered in Justice System I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. The events of the past few months have disturbed my family and me, just like they have everyone else. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.

When it was discovered there was a 98 incident and Jerry retired after that, uh huh.. We got you now Joe, you found out about the 98 incident and forced Jerry to retire. You hid that you knew about 98. What oh wait, Joe kept notes and a note was found before the 98 incident that plans were in the works for JS to retire before that incident.

That despicable Joe, in 2001 conspired to hide allegations against Jerry Sandusky…. Oh wait….Interview with state attorneys Frank Fina and Joe McGettigan, who prosecuted the child sexual abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. Asked whether Paterno was part of the "conspiracy to conceal," Fina said this."I do not. And -- and I -- I'm viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence."

Penn State coach Paterno praised by Attorney General for acting appropriately in reporting Jerry Sandusky sex abuse suspicions

Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

From the NCAA itself, Joe Paterno did what is required of reporting possible sexual assault.

Someone this despicable was not respected in the college football world, right and was all about winning above all else, right. Oh wait.

Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has been named the winner of the 2011 NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award.

“I am honored to present this award to coach Paterno,” Emmert said. “His ‘total-person’ approach to student-athletes, emphasizing academics and personal accountability is a terrific example of everything the NCAA stands for. Coach Paterno has distinguished himself to the world by his wins on the field, but he has endeared himself to thousands of student-athletes who have learned through his leadership that success in the classroom and in life is the greatest accomplishment.

"For me, Coach Paterno is the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach."

Paterno’s program emphasizes academics as a constant companion to athletics. For the third consecutive year, Penn State led all FBS teams in first-team ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-American selections. He is known for requiring his student-athletes to attend class, devote adequate time to their studies and graduate. Under his leadership, Penn State football has an 84 percent graduation rate.

A five-time National Coach of the Year, Paterno began his career at Penn State during the Truman administration and has coached through 12 presidential terms. During Paterno’s tenure, his teams have produced 16 Hall of Fame Scholar-Athletes, 47 ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners. Penn State has had at least one Academic All-American in each of the past nine years, with 13 first-team honorees during the last four years.

In 1998 Paterno; his wife, Sue; and their five children announced a $3.5 million contribution to Penn State. The gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture and the University Libraries. It also supported two building projects, the interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum. The Paternos have also made a $1 million contribution to the Mount Nittany Medical Center, supporting an expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility. They have been active in the Special Olympics and in 2008 were inducted into the Special Olympics Pennsylvania Hall of Fame. Even Paterno’s iconic glasses have made a difference. In 2010 an autographed pair pulled in $9,000 to benefit Penn State Public Broadcasting.

According to the NCAA in 2011, there are 17 schools with major athletic departments (whose football teams compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision) that have never been found guilty of any major violation in any sport since 1953, when the NCAA began tracking rule violations. That's about 14% of the total. The bulk of these schools (13) are programs like Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Kent State that play in second-tier conferences where the pressure, the scrutiny, the level of recruiting and the expectations are smaller. There are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list. They are Boston College, Northwestern, Penn State and Stanford.

So to those of you who think these allegations are true, answer this, if Joe Paterno was all about winning, to get an advantage why didn’t Joe do what the most obvious thing for major college football programs do to win, why didn’t he cheat? Someone so despicable would obviously cheat right?

This is exactly why this whole story was "rot" from the git go. The BOT in Nov. 2011 should be drawn and quartered. Maybe not. Even that's too good for them.

 

[hlstone]

You obviously think Joe is a despicable man. So focused on winning football games he was willing to do anything and that includes not reporting child molestation so his defensive coach can still coach….So that is your thinking right? Someone who is that despicable would certainly not chose to be that despicable only in child molestation reporting scenarios, he would also likely be despicable in many other parts of his life to gain an edge on the football field, correct?

So please explain to me why this “despicable” man had no skeletons in his closet regarding his life in any other aspect. Remember when it was discovered there was an FBI file on Joe that some media outlet get their hands on, that was going to be the Uhh Huh moment where the real truth on Joe would be exposed. Oh wait, what..That turned out to be absolutely nothing. There are more than 900 pages in Joe Paterno's FBI file, but not a single mention of Jerry Sandusky. Obviously the FBI was covering up for this despicable man otherwise we would all get to see those skeletons..... right...

Someone this despicable in their personal life no doubt had several marriages and cheating scandals. Oh wait, he married once in 1962 and remained married until his death in 2012.

This despicable man obviously willing to do anything to win no doubt would interfere with the local police when it came to protecting his football players from trouble… Oh wait…. District Judge: 'Never Once' Any Sign Paterno Tampered in Justice System I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. The events of the past few months have disturbed my family and me, just like they have everyone else. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.

When it was discovered there was a 98 incident and Jerry retired after that, uh huh.. We got you now Joe, you found out about the 98 incident and forced Jerry to retire. You hid that you knew about 98. What oh wait, Joe kept notes and a note was found before the 98 incident that plans were in the works for JS to retire before that incident.

That despicable Joe, in 2001 conspired to hide allegations against Jerry Sandusky…. Oh wait….Interview with state attorneys Frank Fina and Joe McGettigan, who prosecuted the child sexual abuse case against Jerry Sandusky. Asked whether Paterno was part of the "conspiracy to conceal," Fina said this."I do not. And -- and I -- I'm viewing this strictly on the evidence, not any kind of fealty to anybody. I did not find that evidence."

Penn State coach Paterno praised by Attorney General for acting appropriately in reporting Jerry Sandusky sex abuse suspicions

Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

From the NCAA itself, Joe Paterno did what is required of reporting possible sexual assault.

Someone this despicable was not respected in the college football world, right and was all about winning above all else, right. Oh wait.

Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has been named the winner of the 2011 NCAA President’s Gerald R. Ford Award.

“I am honored to present this award to coach Paterno,” Emmert said. “His ‘total-person’ approach to student-athletes, emphasizing academics and personal accountability is a terrific example of everything the NCAA stands for. Coach Paterno has distinguished himself to the world by his wins on the field, but he has endeared himself to thousands of student-athletes who have learned through his leadership that success in the classroom and in life is the greatest accomplishment.

"For me, Coach Paterno is the definitive role model of what it means to be a college coach."

Paterno’s program emphasizes academics as a constant companion to athletics. For the third consecutive year, Penn State led all FBS teams in first-team ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-American selections. He is known for requiring his student-athletes to attend class, devote adequate time to their studies and graduate. Under his leadership, Penn State football has an 84 percent graduation rate.

A five-time National Coach of the Year, Paterno began his career at Penn State during the Truman administration and has coached through 12 presidential terms. During Paterno’s tenure, his teams have produced 16 Hall of Fame Scholar-Athletes, 47 ESPN/CoSIDA Academic All-Americans and 18 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship winners. Penn State has had at least one Academic All-American in each of the past nine years, with 13 first-team honorees during the last four years.

In 1998 Paterno; his wife, Sue; and their five children announced a $3.5 million contribution to Penn State. The gift endows faculty positions and scholarships in the College of Liberal Arts, the School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture and the University Libraries. It also supported two building projects, the interfaith spiritual center and the Penn State All-Sports Museum. The Paternos have also made a $1 million contribution to the Mount Nittany Medical Center, supporting an expansion of Centre County’s primary health facility. They have been active in the Special Olympics and in 2008 were inducted into the Special Olympics Pennsylvania Hall of Fame. Even Paterno’s iconic glasses have made a difference. In 2010 an autographed pair pulled in $9,000 to benefit Penn State Public Broadcasting.

According to the NCAA in 2011, there are 17 schools with major athletic departments (whose football teams compete in the Football Bowl Subdivision) that have never been found guilty of any major violation in any sport since 1953, when the NCAA began tracking rule violations. That's about 14% of the total. The bulk of these schools (13) are programs like Air Force, Alabama-Birmingham, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Florida Atlantic and Kent State that play in second-tier conferences where the pressure, the scrutiny, the level of recruiting and the expectations are smaller. There are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list. They are Boston College, Northwestern, Penn State and Stanford.

So to those of you who think these allegations are true, answer this, if Joe Paterno was all about winning, to get an advantage why didn’t Joe do what the most obvious thing for major college football programs do to win, why didn’t he cheat? Someone so despicable would obviously cheat right?

WOW, Thank you for writing this.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

Another thing the haters tell us is it was about Joe Paterno's huge ego and becoming the coach with the most wins. Couple of issues with that.

First off, now we're supposed to believe that in 1971, Joe somehow knew that he would win 409 games, and he wasn't going to let even a criminal stand in his way of achieving that.

Second, and most important, if Joe truly had a huge ego, why would he protect Sandusky? A true egoist doesn't think he needs anyone other than himself to succeed. It's all about him. He could hire Moms Mabley as an assistant coach and get the same results he got with Jerry Sandusky. So once again, the amateur criminal profilers fall flat in their explanation of how their version of the narrative played out.

 

[jjsocrates]

Grassy knoll in 1966? Three years after JFK was shot? Of course he was! And he shot JFK!

That's some Frank Fina level quality of investigation there. Only got the year wrong by 3 this time.

 

[WildTurk]

Why is it so hard to believe Joe may have done something wrong?

 

[fortheglory94]

Here's the question no one who has challenged me in the past 5 years has been able to successfully dispute me on. If Joe was so obsessed with football and winning, how would turning in a coach on his staff as a child molester hurt him football wise? He would have been hailed a national hero for rooting out this predator, and helping to stop him from endangering any more children. His status would have become even more legendary than the media had built him up deep into 2011.

Put that together with 85 years of evidence of good doing by this man, and I really am perplexed as to how anyone would believe this crap. I guess the bottom line is that people don't care to delve anymore into a story like this beyond flashy headlines. And I kind of get that. If this occurred at Oklahoma or Texas, I likely wouldn't have cared enough about the story to go beyond the headlines myself. We knew of and about this man far better than these interlopers who sling mud. I've come to terms with the fact that opinion won't ever change and I try not to care anymore. I want this all to play out, what we come to learn of actual facts and not settlement money grabs will be for us and not them.

 

[Obliviax]

That's some Frank Fina level quality of investigation there. Only got the year wrong by 3 this time.

220, 221 whatever it takes.

 

[Obliviax]

Why is it so hard to believe Joe may have done something wrong?

Wrong? If you've got evidence that he did something "wrong", bring it. As it stands, the prosecutors said he did nothing wrong. The NCAA released a policy that mirrors what Paterno did. we also know, given hindsight, Joe would have done things differently.

 

[psuro]

Why is it so hard to believe Joe may have done something wrong?

There is a big difference between "Something wrong" and what Joe has been accused vis a vis Sandusky. Learn the difference, and you will have your answer.

 

[jim cummings]

Why is it so hard to believe Joe may have done something wrong?

Without a shred of any evidence, why is it so easy to believe Joe did something wrong?

 

[WildTurk]

I'm not here to say Joe did do something wrong. But it looks to be that way. If I wore blue and white glasses I may feel differently like you do. Hopefully someday he will truly rest in peace.

 

[bwifan]

I'm not here to say Joe did do something wrong. But it looks to be that way. If I wore blue and white glasses I may feel differently like you do. Hopefully someday he will truly rest in peace.

By all means tell us and show us facts/links of what he did wrong.... Otherwise my hunch is your posts will be deleted for trolling....

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

I'm not here to say Joe did do something wrong. But it looks to be that way. If I wore blue and white glasses I may feel differently like you do. Hopefully someday he will truly rest in peace.

Screw you Wild Turk. go back to your inbred, trailer park of a state and stay in Iowa. We don't need your kind of accusations around here today

 

[AWS1022]

Without a shred of any evidence, why is it so easy to believe Joe did something wrong?

And 61 years of contradictory evidence that he did things the right way.