So what happens if we lose on Sat?

[MJG-90]

Saturday, believe it or not, isn't a must win game necessarily. We can probably lose one game, as long as it's not against Ohio State and still get into the playoff at 12-1. If we are 12-1, with a close loss to MSU on the road, I believe we make it as the only B1G representative. Would help if Michigan beats Notre Dame too. But losing Saturday won't necessarily end our title hopes.

 

[BobPSU92]

I’ll shove my car keys up my ass, with tongs.

 

[AWS1022]

I agree. But you realize that you are just making the case for discussing the relative differences based on the empirical evidence we DO have right? CFB teams NEVER play the exact same teams so by your thesis, there could never be discussion of how teams compare.

I'm simply asking that the pollyanna crew accepts that some on this board (not necessarily me) find a discussion of the empirical evidence worthwhile and stop the mocking and attempt to shut it down.

There’s a difference between discussing football and whining like a little bitch. We have far too much whining where the posters try to pass it off as football discussion. For example, posting about replacing the OC on a 7-0 team is just whining (and stupid). Or the constant “oh no, I’m worried about every team we play except Rutgers because of (insert dumb ass reason here)” gets a little old every single week. Yes, we could lose every week, but reading these posts you would think every team we play against is perfect, has no coaching issues, makes all the right decisions at all times...while we stumble and bumble our way through every game and are lucky to get out of there with a win.

 

[TangSoo]

Dear God you people are insufferable.
Do you realize, that when you mock anyone with criticism and say stupid sh*t like "7-0. You'll never be happy," you just make it worse?
Do you realize that the stance is also illogical and factually inconsistent?

As the Pollyanna crew mocked me for noting, Minny, PSU, and OSU are all undefeated. If, as was acknowledged, these 3 teams are not equal, then you must ask yourself, Why? Obviously it's because there is a gap somewhere (ie talent, coaching, decision making, scheme, etc). Certainly some people are overly negative, but shutting down all discussion of why and what PSU needs to improve makes you guys no better. This is a damn PSU football message board. If the team performance, outlook and underlying reasons can't be discussed here, then nowhere can they be discussed.

This is not a safe space. You don't have a right to shut down people from expressing their opinions. If you don't like discussing how PSU might fare against OSU, or in the B1G championship and CFB playoff, then stick to the OT threads about cord cutting and polls ogling half-naked women...or grab a coloring book and decompress from being exposed to the idea that there seems to be something about this team that has them executing at a level barely better than Iowa and Michigan and seemingly at a significant deficit to OSU.

Here's the truth.
-It's awesome that PSU is 7-0 and ranked #6.
-Being 7-0 is way better than the loss column being higher.
-Unfortunately, that has little bearing on the relative outlook moving forward.
-Any honest/half intelligent person can see that, overall, PSU is not executing at the level of OSU so far.
-PSU has 2 undefeated teams on the remaining schedule. It is perfectly reasonable to discuss our chances against them.

...or just bury your head and chant 7-0. You do you, but stop chastising everyone else for having a different opinion.

No mock or scorn here. But I do disagree with your general premise. How we played against Pitt, Buffalo, or the 2nd half against Michigan will have little to do with how the team plays against tOSU. It seems like too many people add unnecessary angst to their Saturdays trying to translate how the team playing in the moment will translate against tOSU. This program has shown it can rise to the occasion against OSU (blowing a couple games and being cheated out of another in recent years). And winning one with pure grit.

We have an outstanding top 10, maybe even top 5 team. Can they beat tOSU or Alabama. I wouldn't bet on it, but think they'd have a chance against any team in the country.

But this team is not deficient. In any way. Take a look at the scores in '82, '86, and even '94 (less so that year, but this defense is better than 94). There were some close games. The other teams have scholarships.

tOSU got a superstar QB on a technicality which makes them look like a juggernaut. But that doesn't detract from the quality of our team. Which by most accounts was supposed to be a year away.

 

[tboyer]

Maybe "positive" vs. "negative" is missing the point. What's nice to see here from time to time is just decent discussions. Having criticism or analysis of a weakness of the team -- that can happen when a team is winning or losing. Praise and appreciation of a team strength can happen anytime too.

Nothing wrong with fans of a 7-0 team questioning whether the team is really all that good. 7-0 really doesn't prove anything by itself. What impresses me about this team is the way they have played well at crunch time in some close, hard-fought games. Other teams have made the mistakes that cost them the games. This team will compete hard on Saturday, win or lose.

Will the posts suddenly all be positive? Will we praise the coaches, including Rahne? Or the play calling/scheming? And can we say the players are exceeding expectations?

After all, we are 7-0, ranked #6, and in the talk for the NC Playoffs, yet almost all thread are negative. Coach game management is bad. Players screwed up. Terrible schemes. Refs get excoriated. Reading these one would think we are at Buttgers level.

Just wondering......

 

[fizzyskittles]

There’s a difference between discussing football and whining like a little bitch. We have far too much whining where the posters try to pass it off as football discussion. For example, posting about replacing the OC on a 7-0 team is just whining (and stupid). Or the constant “oh no, I’m worried about every team we play except Rutgers because of (insert dumb ass reason here)” gets a little old every single week. Yes, we could lose every week, but reading these posts you would think every team we play against is perfect, has no coaching issues, makes all the right decisions at all times...while we stumble and bumble our way through every game and are lucky to get out of there with a win.

Exactly. I pointed out how we have 1 one loss team since 99. Actually it goes back farther to our undefeated team in 94.
What do people expect ? The greatest season in psu history every year?
I take it game by game and look to the positives .

 

[PSUPride1]

Will the posts suddenly all be positive? Will we praise the coaches, including Rahne? Or the play calling/scheming? And can we say the players are exceeding expectations?

After all, we are 7-0, ranked #6, and in the talk for the NC Playoffs, yet almost all thread are negative. Coach game management is bad. Players screwed up. Terrible schemes. Refs get excoriated. Reading these one would think we are at Buttgers level.

Just wondering......

No. The mature thing to do will be to act like spoiled, petulant children and say we knew Rhane and everybody sucks.

 

[PSU87]

Saturday, believe it or not, isn't a must win game necessarily. We can probably lose one game, as long as it's not against Ohio State and still get into the playoff at 12-1. If we are 12-1, with a close loss to MSU on the road, I believe we make it as the only B1G representative. Would help if Michigan beats Notre Dame too. But losing Saturday won't necessarily end our title hopes.

I don't at all disagree but with one loss I think our margin to get into the CFP is razor thin.
SEC champ and Clemson are in. How does a 1 loss PSU look when they start the "eye test" BS for the last 2 spots.
Does a 1 loss PSU get in over a 1 loss ND or a 1 loss SEC team or a 1 loss Choklahoma?

 

[MJG-90]

Does a 1 loss PSU get in over a 1 loss ND or a 1 loss SEC team or a 1 loss Choklahoma?

Or a one loss Ohio State? (TIC) I'd toss Oregon into that question as well. I think in that scenario they take the B1G champion (or the four other champions). If they don't, look for playoff expansion sooner rather than later. Conference championships need to mean something -- especially with one loss or less.

 

[fizzyskittles]

Saturday? So I'm smoking a turkey so I eat that and have a few beers. Kind of like if we win. Might snuggle with my wife either way too.

 

[MWes11]

PSU is not losing this game Saturday. The defense won't let us.

 

[AWS1022]

Exactly. I pointed out how we have 1 one loss team since 99. Actually it goes back farther to our undefeated team in 94.
What do people expect ? The greatest season in psu history every year?
I take it game by game and look to the positives .

The greatest season ever wouldn’t appease many in this board. Our two NC seasons would have been destroyed on this board because our offense wasn’t good enough or we had too many close games.

 

[fizzyskittles]

The greatest season ever wouldn’t appease many in this board. Our two NC seasons would have been destroyed on this board because our offense wasn’t good enough or we had too many close games.

You're right.I missed out on a lot of good moments in life by being distracted by "things" that weren't really important. Years ago my wife mentioned how my mood was off if PSU lost so I went to work on it. I give myself a few minutes to grumble then life goes on.
I hate to miss some quality time with a pretty lady because some sportsball team I like didn't meet my expectations. Also I've worked with some young folk with things like schoolwork and training ( physical stuff). (I told one young fellow who as overwhelmed in his last semester of grad school to hang in there and enjoy the final rush because work was coming and he'll never be in college again. Enjoy the studying and the excessive coffee and even the stress. You're going to to great and have only fond memories so work your best then go do it.
I told kids with hard physical training, 1. You chose this. 2. You said you want this and love this stuff. 3. Then go do it hard and enjoy.
I love to enjoy game day, the fall, my wife, my memories, the game and it's ups and downs. The win, even the losses with that old Brooklyn Dodgers we'll get em next year thought.
I love game days no matter what.

 

[psugisher]

Saturday, believe it or not, isn't a must win game necessarily. We can probably lose one game, as long as it's not against Ohio State and still get into the playoff at 12-1. If we are 12-1, with a close loss to MSU on the road, I believe we make it as the only B1G representative. Would help if Michigan beats Notre Dame too. But losing Saturday won't necessarily end our title hopes.

Agreed.. I thought before the season started that winning two of the three at Iowa, Michigan, at Michigan State with one of them being a win vs Michigan would keep us in the hunt until the showdown at Ohio State. We got the first two so we're in a great spot to make that game vs OSU mean something as long as we split the next two road games. This one will be tough just because the last two weeks were so physically and emotionally draining. Winning this one would be really impressive.

 

[heckmans]

There’s a difference between discussing football and whining like a little bitch. We have far too much whining where the posters try to pass it off as football discussion. For example, posting about replacing the OC on a 7-0 team is just whining (and stupid). Or the constant “oh no, I’m worried about every team we play except Rutgers because of (insert dumb ass reason here)” gets a little old every single week. Yes, we could lose every week, but reading these posts you would think every team we play against is perfect, has no coaching issues, makes all the right decisions at all times...while we stumble and bumble our way through every game and are lucky to get out of there with a win.

So in response, you think the proper action is "whining like a little bitch" about it and even starting specific threads for the purpose of "whining like a little bitch?"

 

[The Spin Meister]

Saturday, believe it or not, isn't a must win game necessarily. We can probably lose one game, as long as it's not against Ohio State and still get into the playoff at 12-1. If we are 12-1, with a close loss to MSU on the road, I believe we make it as the only B1G representative. Would help if Michigan beats Notre Dame too. But losing Saturday won't necessarily end our title hopes.

We'd be better off beating Sparty and losing to Minny. Then we could go on to win the rest, including either a rematch with Minny or Wisky if Wisky beats Minny for the West. That would be like cancelling out our loss. Then we get to the dance with one loss.

 

[katchthis]

This song - as well as Cecilia by Simon and Garfunkel belong in hell. With Todd Richard Branch. Sorry

You're breaking my heart, MN.

 

[bdgan]

Will the posts suddenly all be positive? Will we praise the coaches, including Rahne? Or the play calling/scheming? And can we say the players are exceeding expectations?

After all, we are 7-0, ranked #6, and in the talk for the NC Playoffs, yet almost all thread are negative. Coach game management is bad. Players screwed up. Terrible schemes. Refs get excoriated. Reading these one would think we are at Buttgers level.

Just wondering......

I don't think almost all the threads are negative. I think it's just people being cautious with their optimism. @ Iowa, Michigan, @ MSU, and @ Minnesota in consecutive games would be a huge challenge for almost any team. And it's not like PSU has looked invincible.

 

[MJG-90]

We'd be better off beating Sparty and losing to Minny. Then we could go on to win the rest, including either a rematch with Minny or Wisky if Wisky beats Minny for the West. That would be like cancelling out our loss. Then we get to the dance with one loss.

That's probably correct, at least the way things currently stand. I just don't see Minny running their slate. It's pretty backloaded. Regardless, my point was that we can lose once as long as we beat OSU and win the B1G championship.

 

[heckmans]

No mock or scorn here. But I do disagree with your general premise. How we played against Pitt, Buffalo, or the 2nd half against Michigan will have little to do with how the team plays against tOSU. It seems like too many people add unnecessary angst to their Saturdays trying to translate how the team playing in the moment will translate against tOSU. This program has shown it can rise to the occasion against OSU (blowing a couple games and being cheated out of another in recent years).

We have an outstanding top 10, maybe even top 5 team. Can they beat tOSU or Alabama. I wouldn't bet on it, but think they'd have a chance against any team in the country.

But this team is not deficient. In any way. Take a look at the scores in '82, '86, and even '94 (less so that year, but this defense is better than 94). There were some close games. The other teams have scholarships.

tOSU got a superstar QB on a technicality which makes them look like a juggernaut. But that doesn't detract from the quality of our team. Which by most accounts was supposed to be a year away.

All fair points.
But is it relevant to discuss how/why UM was completely inept on offense in the 1H and with a few small adjustment at halftime, made Shea Patterson look like an AA? Where were the PSU adjustments?

Is it relevant to discuss why a defense that is better than '94 could give up 372 passing yards to Kenny Pickett and Pitt at Beaver Stadium?

I don't lose sleep over any of this. I just hate the fact that some will not accept that others have an opinion or wish to discuss. There are entire media networks dedicated to sports and football in general. Probably 70% of their content is discussing, analysing, comparing, and projecting. To suggest that that has no place here is silly, even if PSU is 7-0 or because, IYO, the performance against Pitt or Mich doesn't translate to anything relevant for t(tm)OSU.

 

[Jerry]

Dear God you people are insufferable.
Do you realize, that when you mock anyone with criticism and say stupid sh*t like "7-0. You'll never be happy," you just make it worse?
Do you realize that the stance is also illogical and factually inconsistent?

As the Pollyanna crew mocked me for noting, Minny, PSU, and OSU are all undefeated. If, as was acknowledged, these 3 teams are not equal, then you must ask yourself, Why? Obviously it's because there is a gap somewhere (ie talent, coaching, decision making, scheme, etc). Certainly some people are overly negative, but shutting down all discussion of why and what PSU needs to improve makes you guys no better. This is a damn PSU football message board. If the team performance, outlook and underlying reasons can't be discussed here, then nowhere can they be discussed.

This is not a safe space. You don't have a right to shut down people from expressing their opinions. If you don't like discussing how PSU might fare against OSU, or in the B1G championship and CFB playoff, then stick to the OT threads about cord cutting and polls ogling half-naked women...or grab a coloring book and decompress from being exposed to the idea that there seems to be something about this team that has them executing at a level barely better than Iowa and Michigan and seemingly at a significant deficit to OSU.

Here's the truth.
-It's awesome that PSU is 7-0 and ranked #6.
-Being 7-0 is way better than the loss column being higher.
-Unfortunately, that has little bearing on the relative outlook moving forward.
-Any honest/half intelligent person can see that, overall, PSU is not executing at the level of OSU so far.
-PSU has 2 undefeated teams on the remaining schedule. It is perfectly reasonable to discuss our chances against them.

...or just bury your head and chant 7-0. You do you, but stop chastising everyone else for having a different opinion.

It's a funny thing, the psychology of it. Last year when we hit this stretch of the season, the commentary was largely negative with demands for Rahne's head on a platter, complaints about Franklin, handwringing all around, and so forth. I never bought into that way of thinking myself.

This year, sort of a reverse mindset seems to be in play.

Personally, I'm cool with an active discussion or even disagreement -- and don't see why anybody should feel threatened or angered by that.

That said, regarding your points of truth above: numbers 1 and 2 are unanimously agreed; number 3 is questionable, given that a 7-0 record to this point would seem to have a "bearing" on future results.

About your number 4, our performance in comparison to Ohio State, I gotta tell you this is the last thing on my mind. Right now the Bucks look like the best team in the country, but a lot is going to happen before November 23, and the most important thing that's going to happen, as of this moment at 11:30 Eastern Time on October 24, is a game Saturday against Michigan State.

Number 5, sure, why not, but I'm not going to engage that discussion until the game against Sparty is in the books.

 

[ChiTownLion]

If we lose to Sparty, we still control our own destiny. Gotta stay composed and keep our eyes on the prize.

 

[AWS1022]

So in response, you think the proper action is "whining like a little bitch" about it and even starting specific threads for the purpose of "whining like a little bitch?"

Huh?

 

[heckmans]

Huh?

You guys have spend an exceptional amount of time whining about people "whining like a little bitch"

 

[tboyer]

The people squealing like a pig about people whining like a bitch about people complaining is what I can't take. There's just too much of it. Someone should start a thread to complain about it.

You guys have spend an exceptional amount of time whining about people "whining like a little bitch"

 

[TangSoo]

All fair points.
But is it relevant to discuss how/why UM was completely inept on offense in the 1H and with a few small adjustment at halftime, made Shea Patterson look like an AA? Where were the PSU adjustments?

Is it relevant to discuss why a defense that is better than '94 could give up 372 passing yards to Kenny Pickett and Pitt at Beaver Stadium?

I don't lose sleep over any of this. I just hate the fact that some will not accept that others have an opinion or wish to discuss. There are entire media networks dedicated to sports and football in general. Probably 70% of their content is discussing, analysing, comparing, and projecting. To suggest that that has no place here is silly, even if PSU is 7-0 or because, IYO, the performance against Pitt or Mich doesn't translate to anything relevant for t(tm)OSU.

Fair enough. I guess it's glass half full, glass half empty. I take it as the team is learning how to win close games. Michigan St. has had our number as of late. But, I was at the "Lightning Game" and I don't think they beat us without those unprecedented events. Likewise, last year, if our DB catches the interception, game over. I'm pretty confident our guys will win Saturday.
I like the way this team rises up. Goal line stand against Pitt. Nardoosh wanted nothing to do with that defense on 4th down. Michigan cuts it to 21-14, boom, long touchdown. Goal line stand. I just think that's more valuable than boat racing everybody. I'd love to see us go into Columbus without tOSU having been in a real battle yet.
Just picking out an example (don't think it was from you). "Clifford is average". 16 TDs, 2 ints (at least one was totally meaningless). Kid does not turn the ball over. That's average?

 

[knickslions]

Dear God you people are insufferable.
Do you realize, that when you mock anyone with criticism and say stupid sh*t like "7-0. You'll never be happy," you just make it worse?
Do you realize that the stance is also illogical and factually inconsistent?

As the Pollyanna crew mocked me for noting, Minny, PSU, and OSU are all undefeated. If, as was acknowledged, these 3 teams are not equal, then you must ask yourself, Why? Obviously it's because there is a gap somewhere (ie talent, coaching, decision making, scheme, etc). Certainly some people are overly negative, but shutting down all discussion of why and what PSU needs to improve makes you guys no better. This is a damn PSU football message board. If the team performance, outlook and underlying reasons can't be discussed here, then nowhere can they be discussed.

This is not a safe space. You don't have a right to shut down people from expressing their opinions. If you don't like discussing how PSU might fare against OSU, or in the B1G championship and CFB playoff, then stick to the OT threads about cord cutting and polls ogling half-naked women...or grab a coloring book and decompress from being exposed to the idea that there seems to be something about this team that has them executing at a level barely better than Iowa and Michigan and seemingly at a significant deficit to OSU.

Here's the truth.
-It's awesome that PSU is 7-0 and ranked #6.
-Being 7-0 is way better than the loss column being higher.
-Unfortunately, that has little bearing on the relative outlook moving forward.
-Any honest/half intelligent person can see that, overall, PSU is not executing at the level of OSU so far.
-PSU has 2 undefeated teams on the remaining schedule. It is perfectly reasonable to discuss our chances against them.

...or just bury your head and chant 7-0. You do you, but stop chastising everyone else for having a different opinion.

7-0

 

[psugisher]

All fair points.
But is it relevant to discuss how/why UM was completely inept on offense in the 1H and with a few small adjustment at halftime, made Shea Patterson look like an AA? Where were the PSU adjustments?

Is it relevant to discuss why a defense that is better than '94 could give up 372 passing yards to Kenny Pickett and Pitt at Beaver Stadium?

I don't lose sleep over any of this. I just hate the fact that some will not accept that others have an opinion or wish to discuss. There are entire media networks dedicated to sports and football in general. Probably 70% of their content is discussing, analysing, comparing, and projecting. To suggest that that has no place here is silly, even if PSU is 7-0 or because, IYO, the performance against Pitt or Mich doesn't translate to anything relevant for t(tm)OSU.

I think the struggles help us in the long run. It keeps the attention of the players and the coaches are going to be looking to fix those things as we move forward. Plus we know we can win in the 4th quarter. Being battle tested isn't something you get when you're blowing people out. When Ohio State faces some adversity, we'll see how good they are. I know that before the season, I thought out defense would be very good and our offense would be a work in progress. Before the season, I would've been thrilled with a 7 point win vs Michigan and a road win vs Iowa. Of course we need to get better. That's true of every team in the country. I think our best football is ahead of us. To reach the level of Ohio State, Alabama, LSU.. we have to improve. But I think we can play with anyone else in the country right now and beat them.

 

[Osceolamills]

PeetzToolBoy post/message count will dramatically rise......

 

[heckmans]

Fair enough. I guess it's glass half full, glass half empty. I take it as the team is learning how to win close games. Michigan St. has had our number as of late. But, I was at the "Lightning Game" and I don't think they beat us without those unprecedented events. Likewise, last year, if our DB catches the interception, game over. I'm pretty confident our guys will win Saturday.
I like the way this team rises up. Goal line stand against Pitt. Nardoosh wanted nothing to do with that defense on 4th down. Michigan cuts it to 21-14, boom, long touchdown. Goal line stand. I just think that's more valuable than boat racing everybody. I'd love to see us go into Columbus without tOSU having been in a real battle yet.
Just picking out an example (don't think it was from you). "Clifford is average". 16 TDs, 2 ints (at least one was totally meaningless). Kid does not turn the ball over. That's average?

Definitely wasn't me. I'm not overly negative and don't post much about it. My beef is with those that try and censor the conversation, because "7-0" and "Franklin is smarter than you." Thanks for the reasonable conversation!

 

[katchthis]

The people squealing like a pig about people whining like a bitch about people complaining is what I can't take. There's just too much of it. Someone should start a thread to complain about it.

Ahh the Test Board.

 

[AWS1022]

Definitely wasn't me. I'm not overly negative and don't post much about it. My beef is with those that try and censor the conversation, because "7-0" and "Franklin is smarter than you." Thanks for the reasonable conversation!

Tell us something reasonable and we won’t censor the conversation.

 

[Ughhh]

Exactly. I pointed out how we have 1 one loss team since 99. Actually it goes back farther to our undefeated team in 94.
What do people expect ? The greatest season in psu history every year?
I take it game by game and look to the positives .

I expect/hope PSU's baseline is 1950-1994 and not 1995-2015. All of this more fun when your team wins championships

 

[Nitt1300]

We'll be 7-1, and all of the haters who have been disappointed so far will revel in the loss- while pretending to be distraught and to have "solutions"

 

[fizzyskittles]

I expect/hope PSU's baseline is 1950-1994 and not 1995-2015. All of this more fun when your team wins championships

You picked 44 years vs 25. 68-94 might be better and 1995 -2015 is a head scratcher . Now it's 2014 -2019 coming off some unique times.
We were near a complete rebuild , now we're hanging around top ten.