Spanier Avoids Jailtime?

[fairfaxlion2]

There is a lot of revisionist history or confirmation bias in many folks’ memory of Joe’s record. People forget about the following seasons:
1970 7-3
1975 9-3
1976 7-5
1979 8-4
1983 8-4-1
1984 6-5
1988 5-6
1989 8-3-1
1990 9-3
We had our share of ups and downs under Joe also.

You stopped at 1990, but let's not forget what happened in these years:

2000: 5-7
2001: 5-6
2002: 9-4
2003: 3-9 (and 1-7 B1G)
2004: 4-7

And I think the seniors on the 2000 team were part of the #1 recruiting class in the nation.

Few coaches would have survived past 2001, and nobody other than Paterno would have survived 2003.

 

[lionville]

There is a lot of revisionist history or confirmation bias in many folks’ memory of Joe’s record. People forget about the following seasons:
1970 7-3
1975 9-3
1976 7-5
1979 8-4
1983 8-4-1
1984 6-5
1988 5-6
1989 8-3-1
1990 9-3
We had our share of ups and downs under Joe also.

Different time
Different coach
Different philosophy

Recruit within 300 miles of PSU. PA was a fertile recruiting ground.

compete for a MNC every 4 years or so.

 

[Art]

There is a lot of revisionist history or confirmation bias in many folks’ memory of Joe’s record. People forget about the following seasons:
1970 7-3
1975 9-3
1976 7-5
1979 8-4
1983 8-4-1
1984 6-5
1988 5-6
1989 8-3-1
1990 9-3
We had our share of ups and downs under Joe also.

Don't even know why Joe is relevant to this discussion. Believe it was CJF himself who set the bar at "elite."

 

[step.eng69]

You stopped at 1990, but let's not forget what happened in these years:

2000: 5-7
2001: 5-6
2002: 9-4
2003: 3-9 (and 1-7 B1G)
2004: 4-7

And I think the seniors on the 2000 team were part of the #1 recruiting class in the nation.

Few coaches would have survived past 2001, and nobody other than Paterno would have survived 2003.

A few of those years heard "Joe must go" chants. Those chants sadden me greatly.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

A few of those years heard "Joe must go" chants. Those chants sadden me greatly.

Yes, that was sad. I was never one who supported those chants or that website.

But it was time, and Joe should have decided to step down at some point in the 2000s. Not doing so was basically absurd.

 

[BobPSU92]

LOL
I know Bob,
I really do believe that the guns really hated you, and would hurt you. You really had a way of annoying him.
.

A point of pride. I have so little, but no one can take that away from me.

 

[Zenophile]

A year or so ago we were in State College and stoped at Champ's. While at the restuarant, l had this terrible idea of having 21Guns paged. Giggling, l mentioned this to Kar and she dominantly informed me it would be terrible for me.

She is indeed wise.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

You stopped at 1990, but let's not forget what happened in these years:

2000: 5-7
2001: 5-6
2002: 9-4
2003: 3-9 (and 1-7 B1G)
2004: 4-7

And I think the seniors on the 2000 team were part of the #1 recruiting class in the nation.

Few coaches would have survived past 2001, and nobody other than Paterno would have survived 2003.

That’s because I was pointing out the “poor” seasons in the so called “glory”years. My point was that everything wasn’t ALWAYS great in those so called “glory” years. I didn’t conveniently leave anything out as you focused on the post 1999 years exclusively.

 

[Hotshoe]

This. This is absolutely the point.

And this is why I will never agree with the government taking away any rights whatsoever, especially Constitutional rights. When they can outright lie like this, no way.

 

[RussianEagle]

A few of those years heard "Joe must go" chants. Those chants sadden me greatly.

Yet so many people are convinced Joe “ran the entire town” after that infamous 2000 season

 

[Obliviax]

And this is why I will never agree with the government taking away any rights whatsoever, especially Constitutional rights. When they can outright lie like this, no way.

Agreed. And, as I've tried to teach my young sons, once you give up those rights, you will NEVER get them back.

 

[interrobang]

So meanwhile, is Shapiro actually going to appeal this or is it just a chest-thumping smoke screen like when the Baldwin-related charges were wiped away?

 

[Art]

So meanwhile, is Shapiro actually going to appeal this or is it just a chest-thumping smoke screen like when the Baldwin-related charges were wiped away?

Gonna guess he appeals. He ain't paying for it, gets free publicity, and brownie points with a certain segment of the voting populace. What's not to love?

 

[sluggo72]

Gonna guess he appeals. He ain't paying for it, gets free publicity, and brownie points with a certain segment of the voting populace. What's not to love?

who does it get appealed to? the person that made this ruling was a Fed? and then what is the next appeal? Circuit court?

 

[RussianEagle]

Gonna guess he appeals. He ain't paying for it, gets free publicity, and brownie points with a certain segment of the voting populace. What's not to love?

He would get embarrassed this time. Hopefully Spanier and his attorneys aren’t pussies this time. And hopefully Curley and Schultz, now that they served their unjust sentences and the OAG has no leverage over them, hold absolutely nothing back.

 

[sluggo72]

He would get embarrassed this time. Hopefully Spanier and his attorneys aren’t pussies this time. And hopefully Curley and Schultz, now that they served their unjust sentences and the OAG has no leverage over them, hold absolutely nothing back.

I think there is a difference between an appeal and a re trial. I agree he would stand no chance at re trial, but if he wins on appeal, then the conviction would stand?

 

[RussianEagle]

I think there is a difference between an appeal and a re trial. I agree he would stand no chance at re trial, but if he wins on appeal, then the conviction would stand?

Oh, I didn’t know this was an option. I thought it was either re-trial or drop charges What court would hear the appeal? I’m guessing a higher federal court. If that’s the case, then our virtue-signaler-in-Chief has no chance.

 

[Art]

He would get embarrassed this time. Hopefully Spanier and his attorneys aren’t pussies this time. And hopefully Curley and Schultz, now that they served their unjust sentences and the OAG has no leverage over them, hold absolutely nothing back.

It's an appeal. Coverage would be minimal.

 

[Art]

Oh, I didn’t know this was an option. I thought it was either re-trial or drop charges What court would hear the appeal? I’m guessing a higher federal court. If that’s the case, then our virtue-signaler-in-Chief has no chance.

Either the district or circuit and maybe only one judge at whatever level.

 

[L.A.Lion]

who does it get appealed to? the person that made this ruling was a Fed? and then what is the next appeal? Circuit court?

Assuming both sides agreed to have the issue decided by a magistrate, iI’m pretty sure it goes to the 3rd Circuit in Philadelphia.

 

[BBrown]

Yes, that was sad. I was never one who supported those chants or that website.

But it was time, and Joe should have decided to step down at some point in the 2000s. Not doing so was basically absurd.

+1. That perfect time was '05 after the Orange Bowl win.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

It's an appeal. Coverage would be minimal.

He did what he needed and got what he needed. Will run its course and won't be news by the time it ends.

 

[eidolon21]

would our boy Shapiro go judge shopping???

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

He would get embarrassed this time. Hopefully Spanier and his attorneys aren’t pussies this time. And hopefully Curley and Schultz, now that they served their unjust sentences and the OAG has no leverage over them, hold absolutely nothing back.

Perhaps there are things they can say, but "it's not the right time to say them"...haven't we heard that a few times???

 

[berklion]

Interesting, it sounds like we are not the only ones calling BS.

https://lancasteronline.com/news/lo...cle_b9c98fde-70da-11e9-af60-4ff6bfd54446.html

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

Interesting, it sounds like we are not the only ones calling BS.

https://lancasteronline.com/news/lo...cle_b9c98fde-70da-11e9-af60-4ff6bfd54446.html

"Narcissistic clown" should be added to his WIKI.

 

[Zenophile]

Interesting, it sounds like we are not the only ones calling BS.

https://lancasteronline.com/news/lo...cle_b9c98fde-70da-11e9-af60-4ff6bfd54446.html

Seems to me that Ken Frazier is/has "people" who are similarly possessive of his wikipedia info.

 

[NittPicker]

"Narcissistic clown" should be added to his WIKI.

I was looking at his Wiki this morning and it said something to the effect that he "flunked" out of a science class and was cut from the basketball team on the same day. Sounds like a rough 24 hours!! A friend then convinced him to run for student government which lead to his career in politics.

The above is no longer on Wiki. Sounds like his entry was as screwed up as Emmert's.

 

[BBrown]

Interesting, it sounds like we are not the only ones calling BS.

https://lancasteronline.com/news/lo...cle_b9c98fde-70da-11e9-af60-4ff6bfd54446.html

LOL, so he has his own "internet goon squad" just like the BOTS.

 

[berklion]

Not so much that wiki called out his goon squad, but a local, in state, newspaper didn't bury the story

 

[marshall23]

Josh Shapiro......I'll bet he got his lunch money stolen daily

 

[denniskembala]

The legal expert, JockstrapJacobs states new evidence can/will be introduced!

LOL!

Mensa member my ass.

 

[francofan]

The legal expert, JockstrapJacobs states new evidence can/will be introduced!

LOL!

Mensa member my ass.

The new evidence that has surfaced includes the email from Mike McQueary to Jonelle Eshbach that states that Eshbach twisted McQueary’s words in in Nov. 2011 grand jury presentment, the minutes of the ethics hearings that demonstrate that Frank Fina is unethical, and the alumni BOT report that demonstrates that the Freeh Report is a farce.

 

[LurkerLazarus]

All of that only matters if it somehow becomes part of the public record.

 

[BobPSU92]

All of that only matters if it somehow becomes part of the public record.

And only if we get Julian Fleming.

 

[Chris92]

All of that only matters if it somehow becomes part of the public record.

Once the feds toss Shapiro's appeal, he'll announce Spanier is getting off on a technicality(namely the constitution). At that point, Spanier will be able to re-open his defamation case vs. Freeh. I would imagine he would file to have "newly discovered" evidence entered into the record.

 

[PearlSUJam]

And only if we get Julian Fleming.

 

[Keyser Soze 16801]

the alumni BOT report that demonstrates that the Freeh Report is a farce.

I can see why PSU fought so hard to not have that report released; it has made such a HUGE difference in public perception

 

[interrobang]

I can see why PSU fought so hard to not have that report released; it has made such a HUGE difference in public perception

Especially since there wasn't one ounce of info in that report that wasn't already in the public record one way or another

 

[Bob78]

+1. That perfect time was '05 after the Orange Bowl win.

Then, or after that terrific '08 season, even with the Rose Bowl loss. He said we would be back after the '04 season, and we were. The program was on the right trajectory again, and we would have seen a flood of outstanding coaching resumes applying for the job.

I don't think they would have simply handed it over to Scrap, but who knows?