That was the GJ presentment, not testimony. I don't care what the GJ presentment said, I am going straight off of testimony transcripts.
Spanier targeting Lubert
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That is not "words" in McQueary's mouth. That was a charge based on evidence. Not only did the grand jury believe that is what happened, but the judge determined that there was enough evidence for a jury to make that determination.
Being accused is different from being charged, charged from being convicted.
Please cite the statements where McQuery's testimony was altered.
Fine, but this is my basis for not trusting Fina. That presentment came out of his office.
If I didn't know better, I'd say you're taking this criticism personally (which is especially odd considering that you're celebrating your 5th day as a member of this community). Why is that?
That's not the discussion here. I'm not telling you that C/S/S should be locked up for what they did (or didn't) do. In fact, I have felt for awhile that the majority of the charges were bogus because of the laws at the time and that the ones which may be valid (perjury) would be incredibly hard to get a conviction for.
What I am saying is that those people are responsible for putting PSU in a position to get sued and fined.
As has been discussed here many, many times, GJ presentments are going to be slanted for the prosecution. Not that they are meaningless, but I do not look at them as fact.
He was old, but not that sick, and his answers were consistent over months.
How has McQueary's story changed?
It is easy to fling accusations and much harder to show evidence of them.
As with McQuery, two juries have believed him. That isn't a refutation, just what actually happened. No speculation necessary.
Once again, your guess is wrong.
I am not happy at the suggestion that Paterno committed perjury, however.
Did I not just say this??? That the poor laws in place back in 2001 did not require them to report the incident (legally)?
If everyone ignores the trolls like getmyjive11, gtcsa, and stufftodo, they will go away. Stop feeding the trolls, and they won't be able to earn a living astroturfing. When they come back with new screen names, ignore them too!
If this bothers you so much, why don't you drive over to Dranov's and McQueary's houses and make a citizen's arrest? Then head over to Jack and Kitty's and do the same with them. Call the OAG and say you want to file a complaint against all of them
That's the only way your argument can make any sense. You can't come here and blame CSSP, while arguing that those others heard the same story but had a good excuse for not calling the cops.
Go ahead. Do it. Now.
Hi stupid. Seriously, you are super dumb. There's no way around it. Debating you is a total waste of time because you lack the intellectual capacity to grasp this (or any) complex situation. I gave up long ago and advise others to do the same. However, calling you stupid and dumb is fun. Why? Because you are too stupid to realize how dumb you are....
Hey, it got Freeh 8.5 million bucks.
Funny in how many ways MM has been speculated to be dishonest. As a gambler, as a husband, as a quarterback, as a witness.
Interesting pattern, wouldn't you say? But I'm sure it is all coincidence.
Okay, let me get right on that. Because that's what people do. That's normal behavior.
Have you noticed that gmj, std (fitting), coveydidnt have been extremely hysterical and nuttier than usual on this thread? The one that specifically mentions "Lubert." Kind of like they feel the need to defend his honor and deflect all attention from King Ira. Protective bunch of stooges, aren't they?
Couple things;
While not MM we do have detectives putting words in the Vic's mouth.
"A Presentment isn't intended as guilt just a charge" in this case the press AND BoT treated it as guilt
The reason PSU was put in the light it was was to deflect from TSM and everyone connected to it AND away from the terrible oversight from CYS. Hey it worked.
While not MM we do have detectives putting words in the Vic's mouth.
"A Presentment isn't intended as guilt just a charge" in this case the press AND BoT treated it as guilt
The reason PSU was put in the light it was was to deflect from TSM and everyone connected to it AND away from the terrible oversight from CYS. Hey it worked.
Yes, and the statement I referenced before was both volcanic and, as it turns out, a lie. This was the highest law enforcement official in the Commonwealth. I expect some obligation to the truth, whether or not it is a charging document. Otherwise it's "Well, believe this but not that. Believe that, not this." So we have an explosive lie, leaked to the media which goes ballistic and as it stands, no one will ever answer for it, so I'm sorry but that gives me a lot to think about when we're talking about all the other evidence and testimony here.
There's also these connections...that were mentioned in Spanier's recent legal filing.
http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2013/01/who-knew-part-2-hiring-of-cynthia.html
http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2013/01/who-knew-part-2-hiring-of-cynthia.html
Yep, you nailed it. I mean, I never met or spoken to Ira or any of the other BOT with exception to Deandrea (a meeting where we did not see eye to eye at all), but whatever.
Or maybe, just maybe, my reasons are as I have detailed earlier in this thread.
Nope. All they had to do was put out a simple statement on Curley and Schultz (Spanier was not in the crosshairs of the OAG until they figured out their Curley/Schultz case was weak sauce): "These are allegations, and they are serious, however the standard in this country is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. In the interim, any party with pending charges against them will be placed on administrative leave and we will leave the deliberations to the Justice System".
You don't fire or place on leave the WITNESSES FOR THE PROSECUTION, (JVP and MMQ) unless you are trying to cover up something else about YOU.
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Would they have had to make any kind of decision if CSS took the information to police? Nope. Would we be nearly 250 million in the hole if they did that? Nope. Would we have gotten the black eye on the University? Nope.
Give it up, GMJ. You're here to obfuscate, not to illuminate or elucidate.
Are you disagreeing with the notion that Penn State would not be in this mess if CSS took the information to police?
Would we all be better off if you engaged in Auto-Erotic Asphyxiation.....rather than choosing to masturbate all over this board? Yep
