Sparty loses its 7th conseuctive game
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This is a massive collapse. This team was in the playoff just last year! Now they can't beat anyone. Wow!
nd? Lost.
rutgres? Lost.
msu? Lost.
pitt? Losing.
I love college football.
rutgres? Lost.
msu? Lost.
pitt? Losing.
I love college football.
And it gets worse from here. Next for them is Rutgers so they likely get back in the W column at 3-7. But then they have Ohio St and Penn St IIRC.
I haven't seen a collapse like Michigan state's this year outside of Pitt every year.
Wow -- it is so rare that a top 10 team falls apart so completely the next season. Penn State did it a couple times under Paterno.
MSU is getting killed in the 2nd half, esp. the 4th quarter. Looks like other teams want it more than they do this year. I'm not crazy about how the schedule worked out. If they get really embarrassed by Ohio State, they might come loaded for bear vs. Penn State the following week.
MSU is getting killed in the 2nd half, esp. the 4th quarter. Looks like other teams want it more than they do this year. I'm not crazy about how the schedule worked out. If they get really embarrassed by Ohio State, they might come loaded for bear vs. Penn State the following week.
Maybe D'Antoni losing like this makes Naruzzi look attractive to MSU again. After all 5-4 is better than 2-7. As someone else pointed out this at least raises the possibility that Naruzzi can lose to Penn St 2 times next year. Here's the scenario: Penn State blows out Pitt and Pitt can't take the humiliation and fires Naruzzi. MSU loses 5 consecutive games to start the year and decides to fire the coach to change the culture. Naruzzi has been sitting by the phone praying that someone calls him and of course no one has. It;s a match made in heaven.
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Allow me to add that the possibility of a 5-7 Sparty going bowling, is not happening either.
Season over. Time for all the MSU players to do what they sometimes have been known to do: Quit.
Season over. Time for all the MSU players to do what they sometimes have been known to do: Quit.
I seriously doubt that. If they lose to Ohio State, they will be at best 3-8 (assuming they beat Rutgers: even that isn't a given this year) and heading on the road, away from their friends & family for Thanksgiving, to play in likely cold and gray weather.
Sounds like a recipe for the team to say "screw this, we quit." Sort of like what we did in our 2003 finale at MSU.
Could you please cite those "couple times under Paterno" when a top ten Penn State lost so many games the next year?
It wasn't 1988, Joe's first losing season. It wasn't 2000 when the 5-7 season followed an 11th-ranked season in 1999.
I understand many fans look at Paterno through modern eyes, but it would be nice if you at least could criticize using facts.
When I was an undergrad the program was so good under Joe. In 1979 the team - started the season ranked #7 - went 8-4 after losing to ALA in the Sugar Bowl and we were depressed. I had to look up the record because I remember thinking that the 1979 season was awful. PSU lost 3 home games that year. That was unthinkable.
That was my point. I apologize for not being more clear. I think we had it pretty good under Joe. Understatement.
Actually in those days 8-4 was a catastrophe because 60% of the teams on Penn State's schedule had no chance to beat PSU. It was a different era, before parity. Half the games each year, the outcome was predetermined -- the only question was the margin. And Paterno liked to make it exciting by challenging his teams to beat their inferior opposition with one hand tied behind their back -- i.e. really minimal offensive gameplanning.
I should have made it clear. Obviously Paterno never lost 7 straight but it was impossible for a team like PSU to lose on that scale.
My point was only that PSU was kind of a cycle program. Paterno would build a team around a group of young players and they would grow together. So in a typical 4 year stretch there'd be a national championship contender, another top 10 team, a low top 25 team and one team out of the top 25 with 4 losses.
Before we talk about 8-4, let's consider we are 6-2 with a good shot to be 7-2 by the end of tonight.
I understand hat you mean. I think I am just tired of so many so-called fans constantly rehashing the losing years under Joe. Penn State had some blocks of time when it was a juggernaut for several consecutive years. But Joe never had a run like Bowden had at FSU or Pete Carroll had at USC or Meyer is having now at OSU. Heck, the 1983 and 1987 teams certainly didn't "keep it rolling" after those national titles.
From 1967-1999, PSU was at least a consistent player nationally. Most of us realized in 2000 that Joe had slipped considerably. Though he did rebound resoundingly well in 2005, he never quite regained that annual national power status again. So I get that. But my goodness, he's dead and buried ... and the object of national scorn for no legitimate reason.
Can't we Penn State fans let him go, or at least, if one needs to criticize him, at least use facts to do so?
I didn't think I was criticizing so much as describing. Everybody knows that's how Paterno ran the program. PSU didn't reload like other programs. PSU didn't do a lot of things that other programs did -- and overwhelmingly that was a good thing, that was Paterno running things the way he wanted to. PSU could play for a national championship and then the following September have to take an intentional safety to survive Temple.
Re Paterno, it's hard not to be pigeonholed as a JoeBot or anti-Paterno but really I'm neither. He was a really excellent human being, and, in his day, a great coach, but there never should have been a personality cult in the first place. With the benefit of hindsight, he should have retired at a decent retirement age, 70 at the latest. If he had, we probably wouldn't have had this existential crisis at PSU.
Re Paterno, it's hard not to be pigeonholed as a JoeBot or anti-Paterno but really I'm neither. He was a really excellent human being, and, in his day, a great coach, but there never should have been a personality cult in the first place. With the benefit of hindsight, he should have retired at a decent retirement age, 70 at the latest. If he had, we probably wouldn't have had this existential crisis at PSU.
Well, you say you weren't criticizing, but you mention MSU imploding from being a top 10 team to losing 7 straight ... And then add that Paterno did it "a couple times." The problem with your comment is that Paterno did not do it "a couple times."
I do agree with you that Joe probably should have retired many years earlier than he did. However I don't know what you mean by "a personality cult." This statement sounds to me as if you are very much in the PSU fans are cultists camp. We all respected Joe for maintaining relatively humble roots despite his success. Doesn't make us part af any "personality cult" any more than UCLA fans remembering Wooden with fondness or Alabama fans still buying Houndstooth items.
I do agree with you that Joe probably should have retired many years earlier than he did. However I don't know what you mean by "a personality cult." This statement sounds to me as if you are very much in the PSU fans are cultists camp. We all respected Joe for maintaining relatively humble roots despite his success. Doesn't make us part af any "personality cult" any more than UCLA fans remembering Wooden with fondness or Alabama fans still buying Houndstooth items.
Well when we play them I want to beat them
Like a drum and let Joey Julius score a TD like they had their lineman do last year. In fact suit up a water boy & let him score too!
Like a drum and let Joey Julius score a TD like they had their lineman do last year. In fact suit up a water boy & let him score too!
