Spencer

[Descat1]

There were a lot of questions and lack of clarity about Spencer's knee injury in high school also. As far as I know, neither Spencer or Larry is a medical doctor, much less an orthopedist, so I take their assessments and statements about the severity of Spencer's knee injuries with a grain of salt.

You sir are an idiot. Willie Saylor of Flowrestilng at the time, posted the actual image from the MRI on Spencer's knee on the FLO website due to people like you accusing a kid of lying. What a jerk. Saylor said he called the family due to comments like these and got the MRI image from the doctors with the Lee families permission. This is an indisputable fact, I remember it being posted on FLOW and Willies explanation. Willie can confirm if he's still reading these forums.

As far as the timing, look at the tape of the Big 10 final. When Lee is walking off the mat you can see him tell his coaches, I blew my knee out. Lee also said in an interview that he hadn't been on the mat since the Big 10 Tournament. I don't think the kid went back and counted days, he was just pointing to a point in time. He said 10 days in the other interview. These guys are just walking off of the mat and having a microphone put in his face. He also said he didn't plan on announcing it, so it's not as if he planned and went back and counted the days. The fact is it was in the recent past. You're looking for a reason to be negative and call people a lier with no rationale reason. That is sad.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

You sir are an idiot. Willie Saylor of Flowrestilng at the time, posted the actual image from the MRI on Spencer's knee on the FLO website due to people like you accusing a kid of lying. What a jerk. Saylor said he called the family due to comments like these and got the MRI image from the doctors with the Lee families permission. This is an indisputable fact, I remember it being posted on FLOW and Willies explanation. Willie can confirm if he's still reading these forums.

As far as the timing, look at the tape of the Big 10 final. When Lee is walking off the mat you can see him tell his coaches, I blew my knee out. Lee also said in an interview that he hadn't been on the mat since the Big 10 Tournament. I don't think the kid went back and counted days, he was just pointing to a point in time. He said 10 days in the other interview. These guys are just walking off of the mat and having a microphone put in his face. He also said he didn't plan on announcing it, so it's not as if he planned and went back and counted the days. The fact is it was in the recent past. You're looking for a reason to be negative and call people a lier with no rationale reason. That is sad.

His dad said he was still able to train three hours per day? It is very confusing. Did he train in a parking lot to avoid being on a mat. Is it really hard to remember the difference between 8 and 13 days? I guess I expect more accuracy. Why make statements at all if they are not at all accurate? When the family (Larry and Spencer) are both making statements that are in direct contrast to one another we can only be left guessing.

 

[82bordeaux]

I don't even get the debate here. There are facts we know. Spencer injured his knee. It was pretty clear that it was injured during his match with Schroeder. What's the point of picking apart statements he made and statements the family made? It is their business what to disclose or to not disclose. Are we trying to figure out if he aggravated it training over the last 2 weeks? So what if he did. We know what a gutsy kid Spencer is. His talent is indisputable. The choice to wrestle was his alone. He could have sat out. It would have cost Iowa a national championship had he gone that route. Once again, Iowa wrestling owes Spencer Lee a legacy atop the Pantheon of Iowa wrestlers.
8 days, 10 days, training, not training, I mean, who really cares?
The only thing to discuss is the unknown (i.e. will he wrestle the OTT or will he need to have it repaired. We will learn that when the Lee family decides it is time to release that information.
I personally think it would be a mistake to wrestle the OTT. These guys are too skilled to not take advantage of the injury. Either rest it or fix it.

 

[Descat1]

Guessing is only if you're looking to be critical. Look at the tape, the kid says it coming off the mat after his Big 10 final. This was well documented and had multiple threads pointing to concern after the Big 10's based on what he said after his final. I guess all of those posters were making it up prior to nationals as well. And his father didn't say he was training 3 hours a day, it was Spencer Lee saying he had 3 hours of rehab and biking a day. Keep looking, because what you're looking for isn't there. As far as the timeline read my other post. The kid was doing an interview right after the match. He even said he didn't plan on telling folks and in another interview he said he regretted telling the world. It was a spur of the moment decision. He didn't take the time to count days--it was a reference to the past. Again, he also said he had not been on the mat since the Big 10's. Put the facts together before you make shit up. Give me a break. Give the PA kid some credit and take off your Hawkeye hater lens. He gutted it out. I am from the Pittsburgh area and this is one tough kid that found a way to get it done. PA proud!

Also, super happy for RBY. I thought they tried to steal the match. So glad he found a way as well. I am not on this site to hate on Penn State, but you insinuating what you are about the Lee kid is classless, but on a message board where you can hide behind fake screen names I guess it brings the courage out.

 

[RoarLions1]

Spencer Lee is a very special athlete, ala Nolf and others. He can win while not nearly 100%. To be honest, I was surprised by his (leg) movement in the B1G's finals, as it appears that's when he was hurt. He didn't lack for movement while on the mat. Afterwards, you can see the angst in his face.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Guessing is only if you're looking to be critical. Look at the tape, the kid says it coming off the mat after his Big 10 final. This was well documented and had multiple threads pointing to concern after the Big 10's based on what he said after his final. I guess all of those posters were making it up prior to nationals as well. And his father didn't say he was training 3 hours a day, it was Spencer Lee saying he had 3 hours of rehab and biking a day. Keep looking, because what you're looking for isn't there. As far as the timeline read my other post. The kid was doing an interview right after the match. He even said he didn't plan on telling folks and in another interview he said he regretted telling the world. It was a spur of the moment decision. He didn't take the time to count days--it was a reference to the past. Again, he also said he had not been on the mat since the Big 10's. Put the facts together before you make shit up. Give me a break. Give the PA kid some credit and take off your Hawkeye hater lens. He gutted it out. I am from the Pittsburgh area and this is one tough kid that found a way to get it done. PA proud!

Also, super happy for RBY. I thought they tried to steal the match. So glad he found a way as well. I am not on this site to hate on Penn State, but you insinuating what you are about the Lee kid is classless, but on a message board where you can hide behind fake screen names I guess it brings the courage out.

You have PA blinders on which is understandable, but it has been a strange ordeal. This is a message board where people comment on what they see and hear. There is always speculation when one of the best wrestlers in the world isn't completely healthy. I don't see how pointing out conflicting information in regard to the injury situation is a "hawk hating lens" Is your real name Descat? Wow! I live in Iowa around Hawkeye fans everyday and many of them have had questions about Spencer's health along the way. Nobody is questioning the greatness of Spencer Lee. It is simply people wondering about the extent and timing of injuries. It isn't that I have some right to know, but since it has been made public by Spencer it isn't a secret.

 

[Descat1]

James Whitters, my issue is not when debating points or asking questions, or offering opinions on a forum--I'm good with all of that banter. When you insinuate lying and when the facts are so very clear otherwise--it demonstrates an intent that is total BS. It's not a PA blinders on my part, or whether the kid is a great wrestler--this is about basic right, wrong and any form of integrity or simply demonstrating poor character on your part. Why call the kid a lier? Seriously. It's low class. The kid put it on the line and was asked after every match about his knees, so people fully suspected an injury. He explained this by saying that had he lost he wouldn't have said a word, because he didn't and wouldn't want to make an excuse. I find his conduct to be something you should learn from and try to emulate. Remember, even in our older age classification we can continue to improve as human beings and some of us have more room to grow than others. I hope you take note.

 

[Dogwelder]

I love scrolling past big blocks of text when I know people are arguing over things that matter not one little bit. I think the scrolling is called “CJF Countermeasure”.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

James Whitters, my issue is not when debating points or asking questions, or offering opinions on a forum--I'm good with all of that banter. When you insinuate lying and when the facts are so very clear otherwise--it demonstrates an intent that is total BS. It's not a PA blinders on my part, or whether the kid is a great wrestler--this is about basic right, wrong and any form of integrity or simply demonstrating poor character on your part. Why call the kid a lier? Seriously. It's low class. The kid put it on the line and was asked after every match about his knees, so people fully suspected an injury. He explained this by saying that had he lost he wouldn't have said a word, because he didn't and wouldn't want to make an excuse. I find his conduct to be something you should learn from and try to emulate. Remember, even in our older age classification we can continue to improve as human beings and some of us have more room to grow than others. I hope you take note.

Please learn how to spell liar if you are going to call people liars as it makes you look low class. You keep saying you could see him say he blew his knee out at BIG but I have never seen this? Post it please. If he didn't want to make an excuse then why did he make an excuse? Your entire act is repulsive and tired. Roar himself pointed out after some people claimed he hurt it in the BIG final that he seemed to wrestle fine. I don't think it is such a big deal to question if he hurt it in practice or in the BIG final. He said 8 days! Why do you assume he is a liar? Congrats on becoming my second all time ignore.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I don't even get the debate here. There are facts we know. Spencer injured his knee. It was pretty clear that it was injured during his match with Schroeder. What's the point of picking apart statements he made and statements the family made? It is their business what to disclose or to not disclose. Are we trying to figure out if he aggravated it training over the last 2 weeks? So what if he did. We know what a gutsy kid Spencer is. His talent is indisputable. The choice to wrestle was his alone. He could have sat out. It would have cost Iowa a national championship had he gone that route. Once again, Iowa wrestling owes Spencer Lee a legacy atop the Pantheon of Iowa wrestlers.
8 days, 10 days, training, not training, I mean, who really cares?
The only thing to discuss is the unknown (i.e. will he wrestle the OTT or will he need to have it repaired. We will learn that when the Lee family decides it is time to release that information.
I personally think it would be a mistake to wrestle the OTT. These guys are too skilled to not take advantage of the injury. Either rest it or fix it.

Fortunately for Iowa, Lee wasn’t as sanguine about Iowa’s projected margin of victory as the Inner Circle was.

Without Spencer, Lee’s inside trip puts us over the top

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

Please learn how to spell liar if you are going to call people liars as it makes you look low class. You keep saying you could see him say he blew his knee out at BIG but I have never seen this? Post it please. If he didn't want to make an excuse then why did he make an excuse? Your entire act is repulsive and tired. Roar himself pointed out after some people claimed he hurt it in the BIG final that he seemed to wrestle fine. I don't think it is such a big deal to question if he hurt it in practice or in the BIG final. He said 8 days! Why do you assume he is a liar? Congrats on becoming my second all time ignore.

Dude, he hurt it in the B10 finals, he CLEARLY mouthed, or possibly out loud, ”I blew my knee out”. I dont have time to look back, nor do I even know how to post a pic or video, but trust us, he said it. Its up to you to believe it.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Dude, he hurt it in the B10 finals, he CLEARLY mouthed, or possibly out loud, ”I blew my knee out”. I dont have time to look back, nor do I even know how to post a pic or video, but trust us, he said it. Its up to you to believe it.

I watched that video several times trying to decipher, but it wasn't very clear to me. I though it looked like he was saying brace. I also assumed he was talking about his previously injured knee. I never had a clue it was both knees until he said it was after his final. Everybody now acts like that was common knowledge before the tournament. It wasn't to me. When it was being speculated right after the BIG tournament I didn't see all of this certainty that he had blown his other knee. The Iowa board was confused as well. I must have missed too much.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

I watched that video several times trying to decipher, but it wasn't very clear to me. I though it looked like he was saying brace. I also assumed he was talking about his previously injured knee. I never had a clue it was both knees until he said it was after his final. Everybody now acts like that was common knowledge before the tournament. It wasn't to me. When it was being speculated right after the BIG tournament I didn't see all of this certainty that he had blown his other knee. The Iowa board was confused as well. I must have missed too much.

It’s all good, always considered you a strait up poster, so I’ll take you for your word. I remember that day and I asked (on forum) if it was the old knee or the new knee, and was answered “ new knee”. Not sure what he would have to gain by faking this either, other than sympathy, which after winning NCAA’s, he’s not gonna get much from me.
Full disclosure, I have become pretty proficient at lipreading with my worsening hearing loss. It was clear to me, the very instant he said it.
Peace James

 

[District four]

I love scrolling past big blocks of text when I know people are arguing over things that matter not one little bit. I think the scrolling is called “CJF Countermeasure”.

Hangovers kicking in w wry one is bitchy lmfao wtf

 

[ClarencButthorn]

Hangovers kicking in w wry one is bitchy lmfao wtf

Can someone decipher this?

 

[jrod65]

I love scrolling past big blocks of text when I know people are arguing over things that matter not one little bit. I think the scrolling is called “CJF Countermeasure”.

As long as you are only scrolling through 50% of the text, as per the standard.

Anything less than 50% is against the rules(as written in the seminal forum rules). I.E., if you only read 12 of the 37 lines of said post, then you are stalling!

 

[Descat1]

I watched that video several times trying to decipher, but it wasn't very clear to me. I though it looked like he was saying brace. I also assumed he was talking about his previously injured knee. I never had a clue it was both knees until he said it was after his final. Everybody now acts like that was common knowledge before the tournament. It wasn't to me. When it was being speculated right after the BIG tournament I didn't see all of this certainty that he had blown his other knee. The Iowa board was confused as well. I must have missed too much.

Very likely you did miss too much, while watching everything multiple times. I also see that you didn't take the advice to try to learn from the younger wrestler regarding character. I chalk your lack of an ability to ascertain the truth or facts to either being cretinous, bewildered, dimwitted or simply moronic. Or it could be seeing something through the lens of malicious intent. One I understand and my heart goes out to you, your family, loved ones for the many challenges you must face every day and other is unfortunate and speaks to your character.

Such an idiot to accuse someone of not telling the truth on something as important as a blown out knee. The same idiots accused him of the same when he was injured prior to the State Tournament and Willie Saylor blew that up. He's PA tough and Pittsburgh proud and you are a sad person for speaking ill of him in this challenging time, but then again I guess that's just who you are....

 

[PSUbluTX]

Hangovers kicking in w wry one is bitchy lmfao wtf

Terry Brands, is that you? Do you just hate tough typing or what?

 

[johnstownsteel]

Lol. Guess I forgot the sarcasm emoji. And no I'm not that bad holy shit have you seen his posts. I didn't say lee was on roids. Actually my reference was to an earlier post about why he brought it up in the first place.

Damn, I.....err...I mean some guy pissed him off over there today. Wow did he go off. Lol

 

[johnstownsteel]

[/QUOTE]

I love scrolling past big blocks of text when I know people are arguing over things that matter not one little bit. I think the scrolling is called “CJF Countermeasure”.

I'll let you know the days I go over to HR so ya can love you some more scrolling....

 

[District four]

Very likely you did miss too much, while watching everything multiple times. I also see that you didn't take the advice to try to learn from the younger wrestler regarding character. I chalk your lack of an ability to ascertain the truth or facts to either being cretinous, bewildered, dimwitted or simply moronic. Or it could be seeing something through the lens of malicious intent. One I understand and my heart goes out to you, your family, loved ones for the many challenges you must face every day and other is unfortunate and speaks to your character.

Such an idiot to accuse someone of not telling the truth on something as important as a blown out knee. The same idiots accused him of the same when he was injured prior to the State Tournament and Willie Saylor blew that up. He's PA tough and Pittsburgh proud and you are a sad person for speaking ill of him in this challenging time, but then again I guess that's just who you are....

Give it a rest already we all know how you feel you have your opinion and he has his. Just because it's different doesn't mean we need to call names. That's for hr

 

[District four]

Terry Brands, is that you? Do you just hate tough typing or what?

Lol I'm tired and my thumbs are too big. Most days that's a problem but I'mma damn good hitchhiker lol

 

[ClarencButthorn]

Give it a rest already we all know how you feel you have your opinion and he has his. Just because it's different doesn't mean we need to call names. That's for hr

In this thread you called another poster an idiot

Facepalm.gif

 

[Larryrise]

Guessing is only if you're looking to be critical. Look at the tape, the kid says it coming off the mat after his Big 10 final. This was well documented and had multiple threads pointing to concern after the Big 10's based on what he said after his final. I guess all of those posters were making it up prior to nationals as well. And his father didn't say he was training 3 hours a day, it was Spencer Lee saying he had 3 hours of rehab and biking a day. Keep looking, because what you're looking for isn't there. As far as the timeline read my other post. The kid was doing an interview right after the match. He even said he didn't plan on telling folks and in another interview he said he regretted telling the world. It was a spur of the moment decision. He didn't take the time to count days--it was a reference to the past. Again, he also said he had not been on the mat since the Big 10's. Put the facts together before you make shit up. Give me a break. Give the PA kid some credit and take off your Hawkeye hater lens. He gutted it out. I am from the Pittsburgh area and this is one tough kid that found a way to get it done. PA proud!

Also, super happy for RBY. I thought they tried to steal the match. So glad he found a way as well. I am not on this site to hate on Penn State, but you insinuating what you are about the Lee kid is classless, but on a message board where you can hide behind fake screen names I guess it brings the courage out.

If you are from Pittsburgh then you should know that the Lee family is not from Pittsburgh. They are from Saegertown, which is north of Meadville, which is closer to Erie than Pittsburgh. Semantics, to be sure, but just wanted to let you know.

 

[Descat1]

Thank you so very much for the semantics however I need to share some information with you to help you be more accurate in your semantics... Getting into some detail. Okay, I'll play. Spencer Lee graduated from Franklin Regional High School and wrestled for them all four years winning two team titles along the way. Murrysville is just on the outside of Pittsburgh, in case you need to know and the father worked in downtown Pittsburgh, The Lee's are actually not from Saegertown, which is north of Meadville, which is closer to Erie. You sir, are wrong in your description,. They lived in Saegertown, just as they lived in Pittsburgh. It's been well noted that the father worked at Allegheny College and Carnegie Mellon University. Get all of the facts straight before starting this back and forth. I used Pittsburgh, because it's generally known as his residence during his high school career. Not many folks know the city of Murrysville, so it's natural to say Pittsburgh. It's just a general statement, but he is not from Saegertown. He did live in Saegertown, but is not from Saegertown. Semantics to be sure, but just wanted you to know.

Lee is a PA boy. He wrestled his entire youth career in the Great State of PA. Love our PA wrestlers.

As far as name calling, I was just pointing out facts. It's doesn't take much to realize that someone that calls out a college athlete for not being truthful without any facts and especially when they are saying he's being dishonest about a serious injury--is wrong. If the facts hurt, or names stick--then so be it.

 

[Sportfan2017]

Thank you so very much for the semantics however I need to share some information with you to help you be more accurate in your semantics... Getting into some detail. Okay, I'll play. Spencer Lee graduated from Franklin Regional High School and wrestled for them all four years winning two team titles along the way. Murrysville is just on the outside of Pittsburgh, in case you need to know and the father worked in downtown Pittsburgh, The Lee's are actually not from Saegertown, which is north of Meadville, which is closer to Erie. You sir, are wrong in your description,. They lived in Saegertown, just as they lived in Pittsburgh. It's been well noted that the father worked at Allegheny College and Carnegie Mellon University. Get all of the facts straight before starting this back and forth. I used Pittsburgh, because it's generally known as his residence during his high school career. Not many folks know the city of Murrysville, so it's natural to say Pittsburgh. It's just a general statement, but he is not from Saegertown. He did live in Saegertown, but is not from Saegertown. Semantics to be sure, but just wanted you to know.

Lee is a PA boy. He wrestled his entire youth career in the Great State of PA. Love our PA wrestlers.

As far as name calling, I was just pointing out facts. It's doesn't take much to realize that someone that calls out a college athlete for not being truthful without any facts and especially when they are saying he's being dishonest about a serious injury--is wrong. If the facts hurt, or names stick--then so be it.

Anyone who has driven to Pittsburgh via 22 knows where Murrysville is . I have driven through Murrysville at least 400-500 times. Eaten at the McDonalds many times and stayed at the Hotel beside the McDonalds. If you are from Pa. and have ever driven to or by Pittsburgh.....you know where Murrysville is. Geez......if you don't know where Murrysville is......you are not a true PSU fan and.......you don't matter Hint: 125lb NCAA Champ Hint #2: Someone is "allegedly" beating him in the room. One of our Favs

 

[Larryrise]

Thank you so very much for the semantics however I need to share some information with you to help you be more accurate in your semantics... Getting into some detail. Okay, I'll play. Spencer Lee graduated from Franklin Regional High School and wrestled for them all four years winning two team titles along the way. Murrysville is just on the outside of Pittsburgh, in case you need to know and the father worked in downtown Pittsburgh, The Lee's are actually not from Saegertown, which is north of Meadville, which is closer to Erie. You sir, are wrong in your description,. They lived in Saegertown, just as they lived in Pittsburgh. It's been well noted that the father worked at Allegheny College and Carnegie Mellon University. Get all of the facts straight before starting this back and forth. I used Pittsburgh, because it's generally known as his residence during his high school career. Not many folks know the city of Murrysville, so it's natural to say Pittsburgh. It's just a general statement, but he is not from Saegertown. He did live in Saegertown, but is not from Saegertown. Semantics to be sure, but just wanted you to know.

Lee is a PA boy. He wrestled his entire youth career in the Great State of PA. Love our PA wrestlers.

As far as name calling, I was just pointing out facts. It's doesn't take much to realize that someone that calls out a college athlete for not being truthful without any facts and especially when they are saying he's being dishonest about a serious injury--is wrong. If the facts hurt, or names stick--then so be it.

They moved to the Pittsburgh area from saegertown. That is my point and that is factual. It's irrelevant actually but any Iowa fan such as yourself should try to get it right because this is Pennsylvania, not Iowa. I don't come on your site preaching the great history of Davenport or Des Moines, so perhaps you should avoid talking about our backyards also. Also, every poster here knows the difference between Murrysville, Monroeville, and it's distance from the actual city of Pittsburgh...they are both suburbs of Pittsburgh. Now, are you familiar with Kittanning? How about the Oakland section of Pittsburgh and which catholic school is located there? Do you know which part of PA is district 4? What great psu wrestler is from district 4? How about district 11? Where is that? What town is wade Schalles from? How about Erie? Which 2 national champions this year are from Erie? What district is suburban Philly? What about Scranton? What district is Ed Ruth from? What town is Quentin Wright from? I can go on forever...and since you know all about the grand state of PA you should know all this and should probably stop calling us the state of Pennsylvania since we aren't called that anyway, we are called the Commonwealth of PA. Now, enjoy your teams title and stop fretting about next year.

 

[Descat1]

Last post, but yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.... My term Great State is how I see it since I live there. So defensive. Don't be. Top five the past two years at the Big 10 tournament. The nations toughest wrestling conference is still really good.

 

[Descat1]

Anyone who has driven to Pittsburgh via 22 knows where Murrysville is . I have driven through Murrysville at least 400-500 times. Eaten at the McDonalds many times and stayed at the Hotel beside the McDonalds. If you are from Pa. and have ever driven to or by Pittsburgh.....you know where Murrysville is. Geez......if you don't know where Murrysville is......you are not a true PSU fan and.......you don't matter Hint: 125lb NCAA Champ Hint #2: Someone is "allegedly" beating him in the room. One of our Favs

Nico beats everyone doesn't he

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Quit using facts. Spencer can be from wherever he wants. He wrestled Big Final and NCAA final 8 days apart. Who else can do that unless maybe his girlfriend descat?

 

[Sportfan2017]

Can someone decipher this?

I have a Doctoral degree in Drunken Drivel......I was a bartender at one point. It is code for "If there is dew on the pumpkin.....the Eagle farts at noon" Pretty certain .

 

[El-Jefe]

Great god this thread is awful.

Who cares where Spencer is "from." (BTW, if we wanna go full PA definition of that, he's from Colorado.)

Who cares when he said he got hurt. He's hurt and he won. Good enough.

 

[diggerpup]

Eaten at the McDonalds many times

Nevermind Spencer’s knee. People still eat at McDonald’s ?? That s*** is nasty.