I was a bit worried after his first match, then he handled Massa in a match PSU had to have to win the dual. Wrestlestat predicts he would beat Kemerer 7-6 in a dual, fwiw. How good is he? Has he beaten Mark in the room?
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Staroocci is really talented and will have a great career I believe. That was a great win over Massa, accomplished by his phenomenal counter of the Granby roll. But, I think Kemerer is too skilled and experienced at this time for Starocci to beat him this year. Next year, he could very well. But, I haven't seen Starocci getting his neutral offense going like he had in the past. Kemerer is exceedingly solid on his feet. I hope he proves me wrong. I do believe that Starocci is going to be great!
Carter has been praised by both David Taylor and Mark Hall, who I assume have had the opportunity to work with him in the room. I think our expectations of him this year may have been off though.. Remember that as good as he is he is still a RSFR. He has some work to do to get better. I think maybe having some RSFR in the recent past who dominated everybody they wrestled has skewed just how hard it is to do that for us PSU fans.
It's like Tom Brady winning a SB at 43 and being SB MVP. You can't expect all QBs to be playing at that level at that age now. Heck, a 35 year old QB is an hold QB. We should probably temper our expectations a little here.
I expect CS to finish in the top 5 at the NCAA tournament. For a RSFR that would be outstanding. I also think he has an outside shot to win it all.
It's like Tom Brady winning a SB at 43 and being SB MVP. You can't expect all QBs to be playing at that level at that age now. Heck, a 35 year old QB is an hold QB. We should probably temper our expectations a little here.
I expect CS to finish in the top 5 at the NCAA tournament. For a RSFR that would be outstanding. I also think he has an outside shot to win it all.
I think they had Hall beating Kemerer in the dual last year, so like I said, fwiw.
Hall should have beat Kemerer in the dual, but went for an early kill shot. He controlled him at Big 10s like I thought he would - not a blowout, but a controlled win
This ... Kemerer 100% earned it, never seen Mark dominated like that in folk (3 TDs, 1 Reversal, RT) but you could tell Mark got overhyped from seeing Cenzo drop Bull and wanted to match it. It was a bold move and Mark isn't one to pin someone by launching them.
The minute Kemerer rolled out of the pin, Mark was in trouble. Kemerer had basically all his energy and the home crowd behind him at that point. Mark clearly was gassed and also emotionally depleted.
That being said, Mark was also doing what he thought was best for the team. We just beat Nebraska in a dual because he pinned Labriola in the last 10 seconds. Iowa was WAY better than Nebraska. At that time, it was iffy if Brooks would beat Assad (transitive property doesn't work but Assad just beat Venz who handled Aaron the week before and Aaron was also hobbled and it was at CHA) So it's very possible Mark was thinking if he only won by decision, PSU could still lose the last 3 and lose the dual. (Don't forget Cassioppi is a pinner also and Shak was on one leg as well) A pin by Mark could have sealed it.
By Big Tens, Mark didn't have much team pressure anymore and could just focus on methodically picking apart Kemerer.
I just rewatched both. Hall seemed like he gassed in the dual. Not sure how much the early big move caused that. Kemerer seemed to win most of the scrambles. He was probably energized a bit by the Carver crowd.
And TanTom is thinking Protect seed, Protect seed, Protect seed......
Guess this will give us some info on Starocci's progress. Wrestlestat has Starocci at #5 and Romero at #6 and predicts a Starocci decision. Hope they are right.
It's fun to have these discussions about matches on message boards and nobody knows for sure, not even Hall. I have little doubt though that it was simply an adrenaline dump. CHA is an incredible environment and Hall having already lost there was even more anxious to win there. Add to that all that was mentioned already, and it's pretty clear to me.
No shame in losing to Kem either, I'm not trying to throw shade there. I believe Mark was the better wrestler and got beat. Happens in sports everyday, it's why I love to watch.
I expect Carter to have to wrestle his ass off to avoid a Major. No shade there either, he will likely be an NCAA champion at some point. Probably not this year. I hope this gets bumped later when I'm wrong.
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If it happens, which I hope it does. Romero didn't go this past weekend against Michigan.
I would hope no one is looking past tO$U to the terrapins on Monday.....
#somebodyslapme
Yeah. I would say he is more on a Cenzo type trajectory. Hey wait a minute ....
His neutral offense has disappeared. He has two (2) TDs this season against starters.
He went from a AA-wrecking machine to a guy who has to live on top in the space of about two months.
Hoping the coaches and staff can help him turn it around.
He went from a AA-wrecking machine to a guy who has to live on top in the space of about two months.
Hoping the coaches and staff can help him turn it around.
Wow, Carter is consensus top 5 and coming off a win over the #2 ranked wrestler in the Country and you hope he can turn it around??? Seriously?
Yeah, every one of Cenzo's matches w/ Massa were like that too--nailbiters, with a big throw or TD at the end to decide it. Dude is very tough, ergo, Carter is doin' aight. Not saying he may not have had a slow start or whatever, but we should be feeling pretty good about the guy.
He's also comparing apples-&-oranges - you can't get away with stalling in Freestyle (All action in Olympic Free is initiated from Neutral - they don't have dedicated mat-wrestling periods and they will stalemate a wrestler who does get a TD very quickly if they don't work toward an exposure combination quickly). Stalling is harshly penalized via points and very rigidly enforced in Free. OTOH, stalling (especially in Neutral) is more often REWARDED in Folk, than penalized. Not calling blatant stalling is defacto "rewarding" it (i.e., trying to extend a match scoreless so you can win a 2-1 match on RT-advantage in RT2!) - again, most here don't understand that the fundamental standard for stalling from the Neutral Position in both Free and Folk is failing to INITIATE 50% of the Offensive Attacks - and counters (especially stallmate ankle grabs and crotch locks) do not count as an "Offensive Attack". Under fundamental wrestling rules, the more shots one wrestler makes without the other making an Offensive Attack should put more pressure on Official to make a stall call, but it rarely works this way in many joke Folk matches - but always works this way in Olympic Free which long predates Folk and from which Folk was created (i.e., the real rules especially as it pertains to Neutral Wrestling).
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WIllie thinks Labs should get the 1 (presumably because Kem hasn't wrestled much? I'm actually confused).
Yes, that's the rationale. Kemerer is 4-0, Cobra 7-0. In past years, that match differential would be enough to flip the seed.
Also, Kemerer sat against Nebraska -- Labriola beat Kennedy. So giving Kemerer the 1 seed would be a perverse incentive.
Maybe. Not sure how if they weigh results of other years. This year, Labriola is 7-0. Kemerer is 4-0 b/c of Iowa's cancellations.
(Aside: Saylor is close friends with Brian Snyder at Nebraska ... though hopefully that is irrelevant to the claim he makes.)
Give Kem the 2 so he can beat Starocci in the semis. I’m good with that
Yup bring it on JM. Carter just beat two number 2s, let’s make it 3 😄
You guys have one weight with a distinct advantage which is 184. We have 125, 165 and HWT with an advantage. All other weights are toss ups with 174 being slight advantage Iowa. I like our chances when it comes to Nationals
If this is the lineup that starts at B10s, by my count this group collectively has 5 wrestlers with 4 additional years of eligibility left, and the group collectively has 31 years of eligibility after this year:
Howard 4 remaining years after this year
RBY 2 remaining years
NLee 1 remaining year
Beau 4 remaining
Berge 2 remaining
JLee 4 years remaining
CStar 4 years remaining
AB 3 years remaining
Beard 4 years remaining
Nevills 3 years remaining
That’s 31 years of eligibility remaining after this year with this lineup!
And that’s before Kerk hits the lineup. Scary how good this team can become 🤗😄
Howard 4 remaining years after this year
RBY 2 remaining years
NLee 1 remaining year
Beau 4 remaining
Berge 2 remaining
JLee 4 years remaining
CStar 4 years remaining
AB 3 years remaining
Beard 4 years remaining
Nevills 3 years remaining
That’s 31 years of eligibility remaining after this year with this lineup!
And that’s before Kerk hits the lineup. Scary how good this team can become 🤗😄
Berge also can likely get last year back with how NCAAs does 6th years now a days. That being said, that would require him to be in college a 7th year.
Last year Gable and Parris were both undefeated but Gable sat against Parris. And Parris got the #1 seed. Kem and Labs are in the same position this year.
Past precedents seems to me to ignore past precedents
Kemerer is the prohibitive favorite and it doesn’t matter what seed he gets. Mickey Lab is not beating Kemerer this year and won’t even make the final if he faces Massa in the semifinals.
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