Stevens Transfer Portal
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OR...you and your minions could post appropriately..but I guess that still places my expectations too high, right?
I’m going to defend Franklin and McSorley in any thread regardless of the topic especially against unfair criticisms.OR...you and your minions could post appropriately..but I guess that still places my expectations too high, right?
Wish I could like this more than once! Agree with that sentiment whole-heartedly
I love Franklin. Just think he is being inconsistent in this case. But I also think he needs to improve or we are going to see a lot of 2018-sequels seasons. And to me that is not ‘elite’ (or even very good) - Franklin’s Definition of success - not mine.
I am fully on board whether he does or does not - as long as he continues to run a clean program. But I am looking and hoping for better results. And holding Franklin accountable to his own definition of success.
Not really. You just ignore all the variables that don't fit your agenda.
Farmer has NOTHING to do with Stevens. LB has nothing to do with QB. A position with depth will be tougher to get on the field than a position with no depth. You also ignore the fact that sTevens left BEFORE the season so we don't really know if Franklin would have started him or not. Your whole argument is trash.
Did you support BArkley starting at the end of the season as a true freshman? Do you think all true freshman should start or are you inconsistent?
Purdue did run similar plays vs OSU, however they blocked them very differently, and because they did they were able to execute
Stevens not wanted nor needed at IU, according to Hoosiers Central. So if Stevens would have been the starter at PSU this fall, IU would have three, count ‘em, THREE quarterbacks better than him.
As Richie Ashburn would say, hard to believe Harry.
As Richie Ashburn would say, hard to believe Harry.
okay but when you think about it, how many are left from CJF's original staff?
but if they didn't puke after watching this Sunday AM.....
I mean 4 straight snaps of man free, and they can't gain an inch?
they lined right up in it!! no disguieses, just played it straight.
And they are getting paid millions of dollars?
You coached, you could have had a better plan than this....its not like OSU hadn't played it in the past.
Either play the best players all the time.
Or make exceptions for loyalty for ‘good soldiers.’
Recognizing that sometimes it is a close call.
No, I don’t know if Stevens is better than Clifford. But I think he deserved a shot based upon a better body of work and solid play over a career. And I also think that he should have been given more of a chance to play based upon the fact that the QB position has not delivered fir PSU in key spots over the past 3 years. Would have loved to have seen if Stevens could have been a difference-maker. What he showed was tempting to say that he might have been able.
I did coach.....and every time we lost it was my fault.
Kentucky is much much better than Michigan State. Of course you know this or ...... Maybe you you clueless. Troll or clueless which is it?
And you're putting all that on Trace? Does the defense come in to play in any of those losses or perhaps, oh I don't know a WR drop or 2? Or screw ups from the ST's?
SMH.
I was looking forward to seeing Stevens lead us this year as well. I do think that his throwing is questionable and I don't feel like we saw enough to say that he was going to be a good passer. When he did get in the game, he seemingly opted to run. While the design or call of every play is not known, he sure did not have a penchant for giving to his RB.
In fact, for all the time he got in games compared to Clifford, I remember one big throw by each of them. (Stevens to Blacknall and Clifford to George, both TDs)
Personally, I think too many exceptions were made to keep the Stevens family happy. Lion position. The whatever it was that kept him from transferring last year. Inserting him into games of importance, killing momentum. But it is what it is and the winners/losers of it will be figured out in hindsight.
To think that Stevens flashed anything more brilliant than McSorley is reaching. He is bigger, so he might have lowered the shoulder better. If he had a better arm, he would have been the QB at some point. It's asinine to think our coaches kept a better passer, better runner on the sidelines in favor of the scrappy kid just because it was the first decision made.
And I was all aboard the Farmer thing from October or so in, but my only guess is the distinction of starter was a combination of reward/humbling for service/learning. Parsons still played a ton and still accumulated a bunch of tackles.
I am pretty sure MacNit07 is actually our old friend MK under a different handle. The dude is mentally challenged. We have not lost many games over the past 3 years. And in many of those losses, our offense and/or Trace in particular put up crazy points or numbers: 2016 Pitt (39 points and a late drop that could have won game ), 2016 USC (49 points and 5 TDs by Trace), 2017 OSU (38 points and big lead in Q4), 2017 MSU (400 yds passing in the rain and a late drop that would have put us in field goal range to win), 2018 OSU (Trace set school record for yards), 2018 MSU (lost on a last second deep TD pass), 2018 Kentucky (led a furious comeback and almost won game with hurt foot).
Since 2016, we have only had 2 losses where we were not in a position to win at the end: 2016 UM and 2018 UM (where Trace played on one leg). That is better than Clemson, Bama and OSU during same time period.
I know people get upset with Franklin. But we just completed one of the best 3 year runs in PSU’s storied history. And we did that coming off crippling sanctions. People really need some perspective.
I have no idea what you are talking about MK - but whatever. And this was not one of the best runs in PSU history. But considering the end of sanctions, it was nice run indeed.
And yes, the offense out up some nice point totals. But could not close out some games against inferior teams (and some superior teams) - either because we could not run the ball effectively or make the key pass. If we want to take the next step, we will need to be able to do so. Again, read your own description: “almost” “rain” “Set record, but”. “ could have”. Bottom line was we failed in key spots where better play (and coaching) could have got us a few more wins. And a few more wins is what are needed to make the next step.
How about acknowledging that (like Franklin did)? Just because it is true, does not make Franklin or Trace (or PSU QB play) bad people, just ones that must get better if PSU is to get to elite status.
Sluggo - great example of where we need better play and coaching to make the next step. 1:45 left, all 3 TOS, your own 40 TD line, and we came up totally empty. Disappointing but hopefully we can upgrade and get over the hump. Does not mean Franklin and Trace are bad people. But this clearly illustrates where we must get better and get better players.
I was going to include it, but couldn't remember who caught it. Didn't feel fair to look up the answer.
I don't think it's a reach for anyone to say Clifford has the better arm with the film available. I was just trying to stick to relevant plays I could remember. For all the hype Stevens created for himself running like a battering ram, he would have been better served getting a couple more throws under his belt.
Gone after gone after gone after gone after
My optimistic spin. You know who's seen Clifford in practice as much as Franklin? Tommy Stevens. Maybe he thinks Clifford is as good as everyone else thinks and, in a competition where he isn't the defacto leader, he has a good chance of losing that competition.
I wish him well where ever he ends up.
I wish him well where ever he ends up.
I think they win the same amount of games with either QB, but it’s understandable that Franklin wants to get the Clifford era started with all the young talent at the skill positions. No matter what happens this year, hopefully it’s a great year, but they’ll start 2020 with a very experienced group
Do you really think so? Never dawned on me, but I guess it's possible. If that is the case, doesn't say anything positive about the coaching staff, particularly as events have unfolded.
He wasn't just anyone.. he was the guy who 3 years ago was in a razor thin battle with the guy who became mister psu... and anyone who actually watched that B/W game had to come out of it wondering who was the better option. TS was that good.
We saw a glimpse here and there of what could have been.. what should have been this year.
But if coach is worried about TS's foot (ANY other reason is pure BS), I'm cool with that. We all know what he can do.. the coaches know it, too.... so the only issue is INJURY.
Frankly, I hope Tommy winds up at MSU, starts, wins a Neisman and the MNC. I can't tell you how much I looked forward to seeing him start. But he's gone and my loyalties lie with Sean and Wil and the kid now at #3. I only hope that Sean is not injury prone... or I'm gonna hafta guess he's toast, too.
