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[djr4rebs]

My point was that a lack of data was the problem. I don't think, when two are said to be nearly even, that you don't give both a shot on the field.

I think the fact we saw Clifford throw the ball more in his limited action compared to Stevens snaps over 3 seasons means something. Sure, without Franklin coming forth and saying such, we'll never definitively know, but why such hesitation to get Stevens any meaningful snaps?

My take: Stevens is a decisively lesser passer than Trace; the initial competition was not as close as the media was led to believe; the play calling with Stevens in vs Clifford in had different tones (RPO and zone reads vs throwing down the field).

Go back to the Michigan game. Trace was a one legged man. Stevens got the nod and rushed right into an INT. Trace returned until the game was well out of hand before giving way to Stevens late.

 

[artsandletters]

What can I say? I couldn’t take it anymore.

 

[artsandletters]

Should have burned Fries redshirt. Fact.

Moved Simmons to LB. FACT!!!

 

[N&B4PSU]

Who decided not to compete this fall?

I have advocated for Tommy to stay and challenge... esp in light of Sean's prior injury issues. At worst TS is one play any day from starting... and he'd have the fan base in his corner. In short he's been competing for 4 years and on the basis of a decision made years ago and by the smallest of margins, came up short.

His decision to leave suggests promises were made or at least implied and not necessarily kept... and he is the same guy who has been right at TM's heels the whole way... meaning he probably didn't appreciate having to win anything at this point.

Most likely there was the fear of the short leash. Even if he starts, it's likely CJF is looking for the oppty to get Clifford going ASAP for another McSorely styled run of 3 years. Hard to blame Coach.

While I think he's making a mistake by leaving, at least it sets the table for the future. But it also creates a problem for recruiting a 5 star QB who knows he'll be arriving with Clifford firmly entrenched as #1. Most 5'ers have no interest in that (see the kid at psu oops i mean georgia ooops i meant osu... for the moment, anyways). If SC or Levis or Zembiec etc are as good as advertised, we'll be just fine... if not.... ruh roh.

Should Tommy have stayed? Selfishly I'd answer yes. As for TS, I think he wins by staying... but that ship has sailed so to all a good night. The SS Clifford is welcoming passengers... all aboard!

 

[81b&w]

I have advocated for Tommy to stay and challenge... esp in light of Sean's prior injury issues. At worst TS is one play any day from starting... and he'd have the fan base in his corner. In short he's been competing for 4 years and on the basis of a decision made years ago and by the smallest of margins, came up short.

His decision to leave suggests promises were made or at least implied and not necessarily kept... and he is the same guy who has been right at TM's heels the whole way... meaning he probably didn't appreciate having to win anything at this point.

Most likely there was the fear of the short leash. Even if he starts, it's likely CJF is looking for the oppty to get Clifford going ASAP for another McSorely styled run of 3 years. Hard to blame Coach.

While I think he's making a mistake by leaving, at least it sets the table for the future. But it also creates a problem for recruiting a 5 star QB who knows he'll be arriving with Clifford firmly entrenched as #1. Most 5'ers have no interest in that (see the kid at psu oops i mean georgia ooops i meant osu... for the moment, anyways). If SC or Levis or Zembiec etc are as good as advertised, we'll be just fine... if not.... ruh roh.

Should Tommy have stayed? Selfishly I'd answer yes. As for TS, I think he wins by staying... but that ship has sailed so to all a good night. The SS Clifford is welcoming passengers... all aboard!

So Clifford was only a 4 star, poor guy. Really sucks to think he might cost us getting a 5 star. And Zembiec left the program a while back if you missed that

 

[N&B4PSU]

So Clifford was only a 4 star, poor guy. Really sucks to think he might cost us getting a 5 star. And Zembiec left the program a while back if you missed that

Yeah, made the mistake of looking at our 2018 roster this morning and Jake's name stuck with me. My bad.

I'm not shooting any holes in having Sean Clifford here. He's looked good and has played his way into #1 here. But (whether a 4 or 5 stars or even a 3 isn't the issue) it will create an issue with QB recruiting when a HS QB sees an entrenched #1 who has 2 years of eligibility remaining after this year.

So my best guess is Coach is very pleased with his first 3 and willing to play that hand. We'll see how it plays out.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

He stated CJF picked TM over TS because Trace followed him to PSU from Vandy. Which didn’t of course happen, and therefore CJF couldn’t have picked him over TS for that reason. The reason CJF picked TS I think are pretty clear by now

Spin all you want, Sluggo, I NEVER said that.....I simply asked if anybody thought that.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

True, which IMO is totally different than following him from Vandy. To follow him from VAndy would imply they had worked together/been a coach player together at a previous time, which isn’t the case. TM got to PSU the same way TS did , CJF recruited them to PSU

Your spin again. I took your initial response as ignorance, so I asked The Board to clarify for me. It’s as simple as that.

 

[81b&w]

Yeah, made the mistake of looking at our 2018 roster this morning and Jake's name stuck with me. My bad.

I'm not shooting any holes in having Sean Clifford here. He's looked good and has played his way into #1 here. But (whether a 4 or 5 stars or even a 3 isn't the issue) it will create an issue with QB recruiting when a HS QB sees an entrenched #1 who has 2 years of eligibility remaining after this year.

So my best guess is Coach is very pleased with his first 3 and willing to play that hand. We'll see how it plays out.

Wasn't trying to be an a$$ but if Clifford turns out to be really good it only helps our recruiting. Kids like Ford and Cain have both mentioned Barkley as a reason they came came here. I understand your point but I don't see that as a reason for concern. Doubt we get a serious blue chip QB recruit for next year but our QB's right now look a helluva lot better than most teams are sitting on, or what we've had in a while for backups. I expect one of the freshman to transfer and that will open a nice spot up for next years class. Always liked your posts so nothing personal, just my opinion

 

[ILLINOISLION]

I think the fact we saw Clifford throw the ball more in his limited action compared to Stevens snaps over 3 seasons means something. Sure, without Franklin coming forth and saying such, we'll never definitively know, but why such hesitation to get Stevens any meaningful snaps?

My take: Stevens is a decisively lesser passer than Trace; the initial competition was not as close as the media was led to believe; the play calling with Stevens in vs Clifford in had different tones (RPO and zone reads vs throwing down the field).

Go back to the Michigan game. Trace was a one legged man. Stevens got the nod and rushed right into an INT. Trace returned until the game was well out of hand before giving way to Stevens late.

Stevens threw a bad interception vs. UMich, no question about it. But he was also 27-41 (65.9%) in his career and that was his sole interception.....1 interception in 41 passes. He also threw for 4 TDs. That’s hardly shabby.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

I think the fact we saw Clifford throw the ball more in his limited action compared to Stevens snaps over 3 seasons means something. Sure, without Franklin coming forth and saying such, we'll never definitively know, but why such hesitation to get Stevens any meaningful snaps?

My take: Stevens is a decisively lesser passer than Trace; the initial competition was not as close as the media was led to believe; the play calling with Stevens in vs Clifford in had different tones (RPO and zone reads vs throwing down the field).

Go back to the Michigan game. Trace was a one legged man. Stevens got the nod and rushed right into an INT. Trace returned until the game was well out of hand before giving way to Stevens late.

I think the Stevens / Clifford play-calling differences say more about the staff's confidence in Stevens as a runner than it says about passing skills differences.

Is Clifford the better passer? Possibly. But is he that much better so as to negate the difference in rushing ability? Not sure. It's that uncertainty that has probably lead to use of the portal.

Don't want to take anything away from Clifford, because he is our future and a great QB, but there wasn't any pressure when he played, and he got to play against some worn down defenses.

I think Stevens tended to keep the ball on RO plays in large part because his opportunities were so limited. So he came across to fans as somebody that just wants to run the football. Fans then further conclude that he must be a lousy passer.

The bad interception in the Michigan was an outlier -- a "slip" of some kind. Pressure to perform when knowing he had very limited chances probably played a role in either the decision or the execution. Stevens came back and perfectly executed a similar, difficult throw to the sideline while running to his left. I don't think TM could even make that throw.

 

[81b&w]

Stevens threw a bad interception vs. UMich, no question about it. But he was also 27-41 (65.9%) in his career and that was his sole interception.....1 interception in 41 passes. He also threw for 4 TDs. That’s hardly shabby.

I don't see anyone really bashing Tommy, personally I was looking forward to seeing him this year and expected good things. I think it's now more of a "love the one your with" kinda attitude

 

[N&B4PSU]

Wasn't trying to be an a$$ but if Clifford turns out to be really good it only helps our recruiting. Kids like Ford and Cain have both mentioned Barkley as a reason they came came here. I understand your point but I don't see that as a reason for concern. Doubt we get a serious blue chip QB recruit for next year but our QB's right now look a helluva lot better than most teams are sitting on, or what we've had in a while for backups. I expect one of the freshman to transfer and that will open a nice spot up for next years class. Always liked your posts so nothing personal, just my opinion

LOL... yeah, we're usually on the same page so I did a double take. No worries on this end. But I also agree with your POV.. we truly ARE sitting on a nice QB stockpile... and maybe if Tommy stays somebody else leaves... this looks good in so many way since Levis is now #2 and knows he has to be ready to start if something happens. And i thought our (now) #3 looked promising -- if green.

I'm sure someone mentioned it somewhere, but Sean throws a clean ball that SHOULD be ez to catch (regardless of what our stone hands boys were up to) and the coaches had to notice that he ran the #1 unit well and if passes are caught that offense is chugging along just fine.

We'll land a solid QB along the line and with our RB and receivers depth, the future is promising.

So long as somebody catches the damned ball!

 

[Countrylion]

I think the Stevens / Clifford play-calling differences say more about the staff's confidence in Stevens as a runner than it says about passing skills differences.

Is Clifford the better passer? Possibly. But is he that much better so as to negate the difference in rushing ability? Not sure. It's that uncertainty that has probably lead to use of the portal.

Don't want to take anything away from Clifford, because he is our future and a great QB, but there wasn't any pressure when he played, and he got to play against some worn down defenses.

I think Stevens tended to keep the ball on RO plays in large part because his opportunities were so limited. So he came across to fans as somebody that just wants to run the football. Fans then further conclude that he must be a lousy passer.

The bad interception in the Michigan was an outlier -- a "slip" of some kind. Pressure to perform when knowing he had very limited chances probably played a role in either the decision or the execution. Stevens came back and perfectly executed a similar, difficult throw to the sideline while running to his left. I don't think TM could even make that throw.

Bottom line he was going to be given every chance to win the job in the preseason and he passed. Everything else is background noise.

 

[N&B4PSU]

Holy crap... Tommy wore a wire when he spoke with Coach!

TS: We agreed i could have played in the game but you said there was no reason to risk injury, that i was your guy! No ifs, ands, buts about it. I start in the Fall. So I manned up, said all the right things, and sat out the game.

JF: Yes, but who knew Sean was going to look like the next coming of Trace?

TS: You think you saw that??

JF: Yup. You're going to have to show up and challenge him, show me you're better.

TS: You told me there was no need to compete but now I need to compete? This way the team isn't going to know who to get behind so we're going to go into game 1 in limbo instead of full throttle. That seems like a bad move, coach.

JF: Sorry. That's life. I get paid to make that call and I made it.

TS: [unintelligble]

JF: I'd never actually say it in public but I'm making a pretty strong statement about the transfer process. When you indicated you wanted out last year you lost all cache with this program. I feel the same about anyone entering that idiotic portal... once they do, they're outta here and they best pack their belongings or plan to sit. Good luck to you.

Yeah, just joking... obviously this never happened.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

What can I say? I couldn’t take it anymore.

You won't catch any flack from me, as i fashion myself as a bit of a grammarian as well

 

[bsmith51]

I responded to your suggestion to look at the McSorley statistics and cited reasons why they would be skewed. Either way, there is absolutely no way to use that as an argument for saying TM was the right choice at the time, because, again, you have no idea what would have happened had Stevens been selected. My point was that a lack of data was the problem. I don't think, when two are said to be nearly even, that you don't give both a shot on the field. I believe that Franklin did not want any second guessing.

The "Vandy connection" is about TM switching schools when Franklin switched. That is loyalty to Franklin. It isn't "silly" to think that personal loyalty to a coach doesn't have an effect.

That's not the same as loyalty to a school and team, something that Stevens demonstrated until it became too late. He has to get on the field. He has to improve his chances of that happening. He owes that to himself. Exposure and preparation for what might follow is why he is in school. It's as simple as that.

First, there is an underlying assumption in your premise that they were near even. I don’t buy it. At the end of spring 2016, Franklin said that he would name the starter when it became obvious to everyone. If neither separated during summer camp, Franklin said he would give them both time in early games. Trace was named the starter almost 2 weeks before the first game in 2016. If it was really that close, why do that? Why not let it play out more? Moreover, from an optics perspective, what good would it do for Franklin to say the competition wasn’t close? Why make the loser of the competition look bad? Why not pump up the loser of the competition if you don’t want them to leave?

Second, your argument that we have no idea what would have happened if Tommy was selected has holes in it. While true, we also don’t know what would have happened if any other QB on the team was selected. Your argument is like trying to prove a negative. Here are the facts. The practices take place behind closed doors. We have no idea what actually transpires at practice because Franklin is over the top about locking down info coming out of Lasch. That said, the coaches watch and grade every play at every practice. Based on their evals, they went with Trace in 2016 and never looked back. That tells me something.

Third, the Vandy argument is silly IMO. There is zero evidence to suggest that Franklin made a decision over who his QB would be because of a Vandy connection. Franklin was getting heat heading into the 2016 season and needed to win games. It is nonsensical to think that he would not play the QB who he and JoeMoe believed gave them the best chance to win. Moreover, Franklin said JoeMoe made the decision—a man who was not involved in the recruitment of either Trace or Tommy (as both of them were on campus a year before JoeMoe was hired).

 

[N&B4PSU]

First, there is an underlying assumption in your premise that they were near even. I don’t buy it. At the end of spring 2016, Franklin said that he would name the starter when it became obvious to everyone. If neither separated during summer camp, Franklin said he would give them both time in early games. Trace was named the starter almost 2 weeks before the first game in 2016. If it was really that close, why do that? Why not let it play out more? Moreover, from an optics perspective, what good would it do for Franklin to say the competition wasn’t close? Why make the loser of the competition look bad? Why not pump up the loser of the competition if you don’t want them to leave?

Second, your argument that we have no idea what would have happened if Tommy was selected has holes in it. While true, we also don’t know what would have happened if any other QB on the team was selected. Your argument is like trying to prove a negative. Here are the facts. The practices take place behind closed doors. We have no idea what actually transpires at practice because Franklin is over the top about locking down info coming out of Lasch. That said, the coaches watch and grade every play at every practice. Based on their evals, they went with Trace in 2016 and never looked back. That tells me something.

Third, the Vandy argument is silly IMO. There is zero evidence to suggest that Franklin made a decision over who his QB would be because of a Vandy connection. Franklin was getting heat heading into the 2016 season and needed to win games. It is nonsensical to think that he would not play the QB who he and JoeMoe believed gave them the best chance to win. Moreover, Franklin said JoeMoe made the decision—a man who was not involved in the recruitment of either Trace or Tommy (as both of them were on campus a year before JoeMoe was hired).

Yes, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors but anyone who watched the B/W game knew damned well Tommy was every bit as good as Trace.. and he was operating behind the #2... and running/passing at will vs the 1's.

I don't know about Franklin but I know i'd rather pick one guy and settle on him and make the announcement 2 weeks ahead of the season opener. That way everyone knows their place... and there's nothing to stop Franklin from reversing course if Trace sputters out of the gate.

I think there was a sense that Trace had a better feel for the offense Joe was running and that was the difference. Then Trace produced and the rest is history.

But you'd have a hard time convincing me that the competition wasn't razor thin to the end.

 

[artsandletters]

You won't catch any flack from me, as i fashion myself as a bit of a grammarian as well

I was just watching Orphan Black and the lead character(s), Sarah, said “the song remains the same.” It was an unfortunate reminder of you

 

[bsmith51]

Yes, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors but anyone who watched the B/W game knew damned well Tommy was every bit as good as Trace.. and he was operating behind the #2... and running/passing at will vs the 1's.

I don't know about Franklin but I know i'd rather pick one guy and settle on him and make the announcement 2 weeks ahead of the season opener. That way everyone knows their place... and there's nothing to stop Franklin from reversing course if Trace sputters out of the gate.

I think there was a sense that Trace had a better feel for the offense Joe was running and that was the difference. Then Trace produced and the rest is history.

But you'd have a hard time convincing me that the competition wasn't razor thin to the end.

Ok. If you say so. BW games are a good source of info. LOL. Regardless, the best BW performance I have ever seen was Trace in 2016 where he went like 23 of 27 for a bunch of yards and 2 TDs.

JoeMoe named Trace the starter 2 weeks before the start of the 2016 season. It makes no sense for JoeMoe or Franklin to pull the trigger at that time if the competition was “razor thin.” We can agree to disagree.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

I was just watching Orphan Black and the lead character(s), Sarah, said “the song remains the same.” It was an unfortunate reminder of you

I was just listening to Starless and Bible Black, but would be lying to suggest that any of the lyrics reminded me of you..., of course it's mostly an instrumental.

 

[LionJim]

His decision to leave suggests promises were made or at least implied and not necessarily kept... and he is the same guy who has been right at TM's heels the whole way... meaning he probably didn't appreciate having to win anything at this point!

Were that the case his father would 100% have come out and said as much.

 

[sluggo72]

Your spin again. I took your initial response as ignorance, so I asked The Board to clarify for me. It’s as simple as that.

Here’s what you said, ‘Curious if anyone thinks the Trace vs Tommy decision was made because Trace came from Vandy with Franklin?’
1) Trace didn’t come from Vandy with Franklin, and it’s not splitting hairs to say so . Trace was never at Vandy
2) while you said you never said this, you did ask the question, which to me, indicates this , in your mind , is a possible reason for making Trace the starter over Tommy, otherwise you wouldn’t have asked the question

 

[Raffycorn]

Here’s what you said, ‘Curious if anyone thinks the Trace vs Tommy decision was made because Trace came from Vandy with Franklin?’
1) Trace didn’t come from Vandy with Franklin, and it’s not splitting hairs to say so . Trace was never at Vandy
2) while you said you never said this, you did ask the question, which to me, indicates this , in your mind , is a possible reason for making Trace the starter over Tommy, otherwise you wouldn’t have asked the question

I think people are calling it hair splitting because most people would consider Trace, who was committed to Franklin and Vanderbilt, and then decommitted from Vanderbilt and committed to Franklin and Penn State when he took the Penn State job to have “come from Vanderbilt” or that he “followed Franklin from Vanderbilt” because that’s what happened. To argue otherwise is to argue a distinction without a difference.

 

[LionJim]

I think people are calling it hair splitting because most people would consider Trace, who was committed to Franklin and Vanderbilt, and then decommitted from Vanderbilt and committed to Franklin and Penn State when he took the Penn State job to have “come from Vanderbilt” or that he “followed Franklin from Vanderbilt” because that’s what happened. To argue otherwise is to argue a distinction without a difference.

Times 1000.

 

[sluggo72]

I think people are calling it hair splitting because most people would consider Trace, who was committed to Franklin and Vanderbilt, and then decommitted from Vanderbilt and committed to Franklin and Penn State when he took the Penn State job to have “come from Vanderbilt” or that he “followed Franklin from Vanderbilt” because that’s what happened. To argue otherwise is to argue a distinction without a difference.

So when was Trace at Vanderbilt?
When was Franklin at Vanderbilt?

 

[BBrown]

So when was Trace at Vanderbilt?
When was Franklin at Vanderbilt?

Just stop.

 

[Raffycorn]

So when was Trace at Vanderbilt?
When was Franklin at Vanderbilt?

Trace was committed to Vanderbilt from July 2013 until January 2014. James Franklin was at Vanderbilt from December 2010 until January 2014.

You should be a barber.

 

[MJG-90]

But it also creates a problem for recruiting a 5 star QB who knows he'll be arriving with Clifford firmly entrenched as #1.

Interesting. QB is a touchy position -- there is only one starter and you can't rotate (preferably). One option is to start the best player -- but if he looks like a multi-year starter, it could cause recruiting issues. You could only start 5th year seniors -- everyone knows they'll get one year, but no high end recruit wants to wait. And nobody wants to sit behind someone they are better than.

So how do you ever expect to get a 5 star QB? How does Georgia get a 5 star QB (you know who) when their incumbent starter led them to the championship game as a freshman?

Bottom line is these kids think they can beat out the incumbent. They aren't worried about the competition. At least the ones with the proper mindset to be the QB in the first place.

It's also worth noting that if Clifford is so good that a 5 star is afraid he won't beat him out, then Clifford is going to the NFL sooner rather than later. Problem solved.

 

[royboy]

So when was Trace at Vanderbilt?
When was Franklin at Vanderbilt?

A classic sluggo spin cycle.

 

[MJG-90]

A classic sluggo spin cycle.

Arguing semantics on a football forum is a great way to make friends. It comes in second to the grammar police on my list of who I want to party with.

 

[sluggo72]

Arguing semantics on a football forum is a great way to make friends. It comes in second to the grammar police on my list of who I want to party with.

Trace was committed to Vanderbilt from July 2013 until January 2014. James Franklin was at Vanderbilt from December 2010 until January 2014.

You should be a barber.

so TM was never at Vandy correct?
if you cant see the difference between a kid changing a commitment (I'm going to Vandy, no I'm going to PSU) and transferring from Vandy to PSU, and everything that involves.(signing an LOI,everybody saying how great to have you at VAndy, going to class at Vandy, making new friends, new teammates, then having to leave the new friends/teammates, having to sit out a year (dont forget, the transfer rules were different just a few years ago), having, probably, Vandy trying to block the transfer (QB's are different),then the comments oh now you want to leave? ) then you really dont understand team dynamics.

getting back to the point, if all that happened is, TM changes a commitment from PSU to Vandy, then the thought that CJF picked him over TS is just ridiculous, heck TS changed a commitment to come to PSU.

However, if Trace had been a Vandy, transfers to psu, and follows CJF, then it is very reasonable to assume CJF picked him over TS due to a previous relationship.

Two totally different situations.
Maybe you should stay out of the forest.

 

[LionJim]

He didn’t imply that at all I don’t think everyone knows that so I’ll continue to split hairs. Look at how he hedged his replies It was a ridiculous comment

Here’s what you said, ‘Curious if anyone thinks the Trace vs Tommy decision was made because Trace came from Vandy with Franklin?’
1) Trace didn’t come from Vandy with Franklin, and it’s not splitting hairs to say so . Trace was never at Vandy
2) while you said you never said this, you did ask the question, which to me, indicates this , in your mind , is a possible reason for making Trace the starter over Tommy, otherwise you wouldn’t have asked the question

Well, you've said you yourself are splitting hairs, and you've said you yourself are not splitting hairs.

Again, you're just arguing semantics at his point because no one is saying that Trace transferred to Penn State. As Raffycorn said, it's a distinction without a difference. Why not accept that?

If I had a bunch these good, serious posters telling me it's time to stop digging, I'd stop digging. As Royboy said, it's a classic Sluggo spin cycle.

 

[sluggo72]

Well, you've said you yourself are splitting hairs, and you've said you yourself are not splitting hairs.

Again, you're just arguing semantics at his point because no one is saying that Trace transferred to Penn State. As Raffycorn said, it's a distinction without a difference. Why not accept that?

If I had a bunch these good, serious posters telling me it's time to stop digging, I'd stop digging. As Royboy said, it's a classic Sluggo spin cycle.

I believe, as I said, there is a huge difference between changing a commitment and transferring, huge.
Take it one more step, TM transfers from Vandy to PSU, does TS even come to PSU? You dont think all those other coaches would be in his ear, Why go to PSU? CJF just brought his hand chosen QB with him.
There's a huge difference.
They may be good, serious posters, but obliviously they dont understand this dynamic, and they probably never will. Royboy aside, I am not trying to spin anything.

 

[LionJim]

I believe, as I said, there is a huge difference between changing a commitment and transferring, huge.
Take it one more step, TM transfers from Vandy to PSU, does TS even come to PSU? You dont think all those other coaches would be in his ear, Why go to PSU? CJF just brought his hand chosen QB with him.
There's a huge difference.
They may be good, serious posters, but obliviously they dont understand this dynamic, and they probably never will. Royboy aside, I am not trying to spin anything.

NO ONE IS SAYING TRACE TRANSFERRED! NO ONE IS SAYING THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRANSFERRING AND DECOMMITTING.

 

[Delco Lion]

FAU and Lane Kiffin are looking for a transfer QB. Chris Robison FAU's starting QB is suspended from football, missed all of Spring ball, and the school is going to decide if and when he plays again. He's the guy who was kicked out of U of Oklahoma for a drinking arrest. FAU doesnt have much QB depth.

FAU might not be a bad landing spot for Tommy. He probably could put up some decent numbers under Kiffin.

 

[MJG-90]

Curious if anyone thinks the Trace vs Tommy decision was made because Trace came from Vandy with Franklin?

The original post (above) never used the word "transfer". The point was clarified for those who asked for clarification. You are just beating a dead horse for the sake of......gosh, I have no clue why you are still harping on this difference given that nobody is really questioning it except you.

I believe, as I said, there is a huge difference between changing a commitment and transferring, huge.

 

[LionJim]

The original post (above) never used the word "transfer". The point was clarified for those who asked for clarification. You are just beating a dead horse for the sake of......gosh, I have no clue why you are still harping on this difference given that nobody is really questioning it except you.

Yeah, thanks.

I'm done here.

 

[Agoodnap]

so TM was never at Vandy correct?
if you cant see the difference between a kid changing a commitment (I'm going to Vandy, no I'm going to PSU) and transferring from Vandy to PSU, and everything that involves.(signing an LOI,everybody saying how great to have you at VAndy, going to class at Vandy, making new friends, new teammates, then having to leave the new friends/teammates, having to sit out a year (dont forget, the transfer rules were different just a few years ago), having, probably, Vandy trying to block the transfer (QB's are different),then the comments oh now you want to leave? ) then you really dont understand team dynamics.

getting back to the point, if all that happened is, TM changes a commitment from PSU to Vandy, then the thought that CJF picked him over TS is just ridiculous, heck TS changed a commitment to come to PSU.

However, if Trace had been a Vandy, transfers to psu, and follows CJF, then it is very reasonable to assume CJF picked him over TS due to a previous relationship.

Two totally different situations.
Maybe you should stay out of the forest.

STFU already!

 

[sluggo72]

NO ONE IS SAYING TRACE TRANSFERRED! NO ONE IS SAYING THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRANSFERRING AND DECOMMITTING.

if you are going to yell, again here is the original statement in question, ‘Curious if anyone thinks the Trace vs Tommy decision was made because Trace came from Vandy with Franklin?’

so explain to me, without yelling, how Trace got from Vandy to PSU if he didnt transfer?? No one had to say it, it is right there. And that is what I replied to.