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Suriano adjustments for round 2 with Gilman?

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So our impressive true Freshman stood toe to toe, in the center of the mat with the 5th year Senior, on the road in CHA. In fact, he had Gman backing up in the 3rd period to conserve a narrow, one point win. He was within one takedown at the end of the upset. So, we know Gman is very beatable.

Question is...what will it take? What adjustments does he need to make to get the W when, in all likelihood, they meet in the Big finals?

What seems like an obvious one is to get to his O earlier, in the 1st period, when Gman is not backtracking to protect a lead and more difficult to bring down. What do people think? What do the wrestling experts think Nick has to do to get over the top?

WE ARE!!!
 
Use his feet to set up angles better in neutral, keep head and hands defense on guard at all times when close. Slow Gilman down like Nico did, even from underneath on arm ties. Look for the duck under on extended series of head jabs if it presents itself. Get out from under a little earlier in the time clock, so as to push Gilman more from neutral. The longer he can take Gilman from neutral, the better for him, Gilman was running for the entire third period, and once you force a defensive posture, you can get to your offense better. If nothing comes open, do not be afraid to go to the second tied 0-0. No more "feeling out process", you know now what Gilman can do and will do, and you have seen all of it, because they all wrestle 25 to 50 percent better at Carver Hawkeye, than anywhere else. Heavier hips when Gilman shoots to keep him from separating and holding the leg for leverage. This is what I got for round two.

There will be three meetings, by the way.
 
Suriano never really got past Gilman's hand fighting so as far as the evidence from the first encounter I can not say I know Gilman is definitely beatable.

Whether he is or isn't from out perspective isn't important. What is important is what does Nick know.

He has now spent 7 minutes toe to toe with him. He should know he can get off bottom when he wants. He knows how he stacks up relative to strength and endurance. I wish he had taken a few highly committed shots so he would have a better gage of how to get to the legs and how difficult it may be to finish against Gilman.

I am comfortable believing if Nick's adjustments allow him to score any points offensively - he wins the future battles. That is a huge IF though.
 
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Suriano never really got past Gilman's hand fighting so as far as the evidence from the first encounter I can not say I know Gilman is definitely beatable.

Whether he is or isn't from out perspective isn't important. What is important is what does Nick know.

He has now spent 7 minutes toe to toe with him. He should know he can get off bottom when he wants. He knows how he stacks up relative to strength and endurance. I wish he had taken a few highly committed shots so he would have a better gage of how to get to the legs and how difficult it may be to finish against Gilman.

I am comfortable believing if Nick's adjustments allow him to score any points offensively - he wins the future battles. That is a huge IF though.

Well, technically speaking, Suriano lost by one point. All he needed was one TD there late in the match for the win.

So, unless your contention is that it is impossible for him to take down Gilman, the first match showed us that Gilman is definitely beatable.
 
I don't think any honest person who watched that match can say Nick doesn't have a chance to win. I expected a controlled victory for Gilman 9-4 or 8-4 or something along those lines. Spyker and others assured me I was foolish for thinking Gilman could score that many points against Nick and they proved correct. The 3-2 score is not the shocking thing to me- it is that Gilman shut down the aggressive style and went into full retreat/defensive mode the entire second half of the match. It is not what my eyes saw, but rather what Thomas Gilman realized during the match. Thomas Gilman recognized a fellow apex predator was on the mat with him. This speaks (screams actually) that Nick really has the skills to win it all this year. Will he? Who knows, but there is no doubt in my mind that he can. I was a doubter but nevermore.
 
Well, technically speaking, Suriano lost by one point. All he needed was one TD there late in the match for the win.

So, unless your contention is that it is impossible for him to take down Gilman, the first match showed us that Gilman is definitely beatable.
So our impressive true Freshman stood toe to toe, in the center of the mat with the 5th year Senior, on the road in CHA. In fact, he had Gman backing up in the 3rd period to conserve a narrow, one point win. He was within one takedown at the end of the upset. So, we know Gman is very beatable.

Question is...what will it take? What adjustments does he need to make to get the W when, in all likelihood, they meet in the Big finals?

What seems like an obvious one is to get to his O earlier, in the 1st period, when Gman is not backtracking to protect a lead and more difficult to bring down. What do people think? What do the wrestling experts think Nick has to do to get over the top?

WE ARE!!!
The key to this match is it was in Iowa so there will never be a stall call on Gilman. Nick proved he can stand in the center and battle so any thoughts of being overpowered is gone. Now he has tape to study with the staff and Nico to develop his strategy for the Big Ten. Best part is he'll be ready for the NCAA and this match may be an OT battle where conditioning determines the winner.
 
Well, technically speaking, Suriano lost by one point. All he needed was one TD there late in the match for the win.

So, unless your contention is that it is impossible for him to take down Gilman, the first match showed us that Gilman is definitely beatable.

Plus, Nick did get past Gilman's hand defense several times in the 3rd period in spite of Gilman backing up at that point.
 
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Suriano was very conservative on Friday. It's a process the staff has mentioned quite a few times - he has to open up his offense without sacrificing his defense too much. He's got another month and a half to work on it. I look back to his loss to Arujau last fall at Journeymen's and saw how he adjusted the next time they wrestled. I'm confident he will figure things out and execute the plan.
 
Committing to a shot against Gilman is scary for most wrestlers because he generally scores if he gets a front headlock. Nico was the one guy who could be in his front headlock and seem to be at zero risk. Is this a skill Nico can teach, or more a product of his crazy flexible body and build? I'm sure they work on it. Just an off the wall thought I had.
 
Hand-fighting...everything else follows. No surprise a 5th year wrestler was the better at setting up his shots, defense, everything really. It was a valuable lesson. I don't know what will happen if or when they face each other again (it is likely, for sure), but Gilman is one tough hombre and will be the favorite. I would expect 1-point matches.
 
Hand-fighting...everything else follows. No surprise a 5th year wrestler was the better at setting up his shots, defense, everything really. It was a valuable lesson. I don't know what will happen if or when they face each other again (it is likely, for sure), but Gilman is one tough hombre and will be the favorite. I would expect 1-point matches.

Casey mentioned hand placement in the post match presser. Said Nick made an adjustment after surrendering the TD.
 
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An adjustment is one thing, I wouldn't expect anything less. And there will be more adjustments made as the season goes on. Gilman may make adjustments too. This is why I love wrestling. After adjustments are made, they meet in the middle of a mat AGAIN...best man wins. No proclamation on a message board, just mano-a-mano, our guy and their guy.
 
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Hand-fighting...everything else follows. No surprise a 5th year wrestler was the better at setting up his shots, defense, everything really. It was a valuable lesson. I don't know what will happen if or when they face each other again (it is likely, for sure), but Gilman is one tough hombre and will be the favorite. I would expect 1-point matches.

You mean setting up his shot. No need to put that nasty "s" in there. :D
 
I think Nick needs to look at a single leg attack. He got deep on the double but couldn't quite get there. It was am interesting match because Gilman definitely slowed it down a bit after he got the first takedown which confused me. One thing that showed is Gilman won't wear down Suriano like the others he does in the 3rd.
 
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I've thought for a while Nick would lose to Gilman in the dual, B-10's, and finally conquer him at Nats. Remember, Nico's nemisis was Tomasello, and he didn't wrestle him at nats.
 
Not sure if I recall this correctly but think nico never beat nato in three tries and interesting I think Gilman owned nato maybe (3 matches out of 4) while nico I think had the edge with Gilman. Just interesting I remember being relieved that nico was facing Gilman in the finals
 
Well, technically speaking, Suriano lost by one point. All he needed was one TD there late in the match for the win.

So, unless your contention is that it is impossible for him to take down Gilman, the first match showed us that Gilman is definitely beatable.

If Suriano avoids the fairly early takedown, we are looking at overtime. I like his chances
in overtime.
 
Not sure if I recall this correctly but think nico never beat nato in three tries and interesting I think Gilman owned nato maybe (3 matches out of 4) while nico I think had the edge with Gilman. Just interesting I remember being relieved that nico was facing Gilman in the finals

Three and zero vs Gillman.
 
If Suriano avoids the fairly early takedown, we are looking at overtime. I like his chances
in overtime.

Hmmmm, I think quite the opposite is true from what I saw and believe Nick has to win the TD advantage to win. Gilman had RT-adv as high as 50 seconds after the 2nd period (Gilman rode Nick for ~45 seconds I believe in the 2nd) - Nick only held him down for 15 seconds in 3rd prior to Gilman escaping for the winning point, so Gilman ended the match with the RT clock in his favor at 35 seconds. Nick could have won the bout Friday if he was able to ride Gilman out, but he never really came close or posed a threat in that regard imho.
 
Honestly, Suriano should just forfeit the finals match at Big Tens should he make it there. Rather have Dance on his side of the bracket in March. A win only makes his path harder.
 
Use his feet to set up angles better in neutral, keep head and hands defense on guard at all times when close. Slow Gilman down like Nico did, even from underneath on arm ties. Look for the duck under on extended series of head jabs if it presents itself. Get out from under a little earlier in the time clock, so as to push Gilman more from neutral. The longer he can take Gilman from neutral, the better for him, Gilman was running for the entire third period, and once you force a defensive posture, you can get to your offense better. If nothing comes open, do not be afraid to go to the second tied 0-0. No more "feeling out process", you know now what Gilman can do and will do, and you have seen all of it, because they all wrestle 25 to 50 percent better at Carver Hawkeye, than anywhere else. Heavier hips when Gilman shoots to keep him from separating and holding the leg for leverage. This is what I got for round two.

There will be three meetings, by the way.
Geez, I agree with 21.
 
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Honestly, Suriano should just forfeit the finals match at Big Tens should he make it there. Rather have Dance on his side of the bracket in March. A win only makes his path harder.

How do you figure? Still a strong possibility that Dance and Gilman face off in a National Duals match up. If it happens and Dance wins that one, it is likely that Dance will be the #1 Seed at NCAAs. If those two meet in National Duals and Gilman wins, Suriano would likely be the #1 Seed at NCAAs if he were to beat Gilman at B1Gs and would probably be #3 if he lost to Gilman (and Gilman beats Dance in National Duals), but could fall to #4 since Rodriguez is likely to only have one loss (to Dance) - however, if he forfeits to Gilman at B1Gs, he would almost certainly fall to #4 imho.
 
How do you figure? Still a strong possibility that Dance and Gilman face off in a National Duals match up. If it happens and Dance wins that one, it is likely that Dance will be the #1 Seed at NCAAs. If those two meet in National Duals and Gilman wins, Suriano would likely be the #1 Seed at NCAAs if he were to beat Gilman at B1Gs and would probably be #3 if he lost to Gilman (and Gilman beats Dance in National Duals), but could fall to #4 since Rodriguez is likely to only have one loss (to Dance) - however, if he forfeits to Gilman at B1Gs, he would almost certainly fall to #4 imho.

Hmmm. I suppose Gilman and Dance could face off. I would change my opinion if that happened because I think Gilman would win. Just can't have Dance as the 1 seed, IMO. If Gilman and Dance don't hit, I don't think a Suriano forfeit would drop him to 4. Rodriguez skipped Midlands and his only big win is Mueller. Suriano has wins over Lambert, Lizak, Cruz, and Gonser.
 
Hmmm. I suppose Gilman and Dance could face off. I would change my opinion if that happened because I think Gilman would win. Just can't have Dance as the 1 seed, IMO. If Gilman and Dance don't hit, I don't think a Suriano forfeit would drop him to 4. Rodriguez skipped Midlands and his only big win is Mueller. Suriano has wins over Lambert, Lizak, Cruz, and Gonser.

GMan beats dance in the orange bowl and the Suriano wins bigs.

Although I don't know if iowa beats tO$U this week to make that happen.
 
Will be interesting to see who the tanners go with against Iowa....trying to predict the tanners' starting lineup is a joke anymore.

I read that bojo was out of the boot today and could have went if needed.

Did not see what ales MJ or the 125.

MyMar vs Brooks might be the difference in the dual.

The HR in a minor melt down but another loss could crack the reactor wall. Lots of football and bball fans lurking over there.
 
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Ohio State really has been diminishing the meanings of duals this season.

Hope it somehow comes back to haunt them
 
I'll have to watch the match again, but when seeing the 3rd period live, I thought Suriano was gettintg in on Gilman's leg(s), but he didn't then power through in continuous motion to cut the corner and drive through (or lift) Gilman. Almost like he hesitated once he touched the leg -- ala JG -- and that slight break in momentum was enough to allow Gilman to stiffen up and get his hands back in place to block off.
 
I read that bojo was out of the boot today and could have went if needed.

Did not see what ales MJ or the 125.

MyMar vs Brooks might be the difference in the dual.

The HR in a minor melt down but another loss could crack the reactor wall. Lots of football and bball fans lurking over there.

Being reduced to talk of "wrestling PSU hard" and "moral victories" are very strong signs of the cracks forming in the reactor wall you're speaking of.....
 
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