It was funny reading this post, because I got to the halfway point where you talk about backing up waiting to counter, and I thought of Delgado right away. The next sentence you start talking about Delgado. Yes, Delgado's game was obvious and defensive.
Surprise!... Suriano Likes Rutgers More Than PSU...
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From what I saw in high school (albeit a limited exposure) Suriano was very defense oriented and was going to have to be coached up to a more aggressive offensive style. I don't think it's happening at Rutgers. Rutgers has a very defensive mindset and looks to win close matches overall.
I think part of the reason NS wrestles as he does against the best competition he faces is that, much like boxing, you have to let down some of your defenses to "initiate" offense/aggression...depending how quick & lethal your opponent is, they can actually "beat you to the punch" (or anticipate your offensive aggression allowing them to set up a potent counter-attack) - either one can be lethal depending on the opponent. I believe this is "part-&-parcel" to NS's overly conservative style in neutral against the best competition he faces. You get too aggressive against a guy like Lee, and you'll find yourself on your back real fast...so much of his "conservatism" really is classic "stalling" imho as he's just looking to "shorten" the match and win a 1-0 or 2-1 decision...or attempt to win on riding time adv in overtime (IOW, win the way he beat Cruz). Couple things, you aren't going to beat a wrestler like Lee with those tactics (which was obvious once NS fell behind), but secondly, officials should not permit a wrestler to wrestle in this fashion ever, but least of all in the semis and finals of the NCAA National Tournament. Cruz was the more aggressive wrestler from neutral, which comprises well over half the match, but he was not rewarded for it and he is supposed to be.
Cool post. Wrestlestat is good. Wrestlestat says Surianope bonused 58% his freshman year and 65% his sophomore year. I don't know how his strength-of-schedule might have changed when he changed schools.
Not sure what a head-to-head look at schedules would reveal either. During his freshman campaign he did score multiple offensive points while defeating the two kids who eventually became national champion and runner-up at his weight though.
You read wrestlestat correctly. It said 52% for Nico, which is whom you were talking about. (52% over all the data wrestlestat had for him.) Keep on multitasking!
I watched the Cruz-Suriano Semi-Final again last night, couple observations... First, the mat official is the same clown who did the PSU-Butgers Dual Meet last year...and called this match just as inconsistently, arbitrary and inexplicably such that Suriano was effectively handed the match via the timing and complete inconsistency of his officiating. Watch the match and watch how often NS ties up Cruz's left arm from a clinch position by either interlocking fingers or just holding onto his wrist with no intent to do anything offensive whatsoever (essentially holding onto it relentlessly to prevent Cruz from doing anything). NS was the aggressor in the 1st Period so the 1st Stall call on Cruz was not that bad, but the timing of the 2nd Stall Call early in 2nd immediately following NS's escape giving NS a 2-0 lead was atrocious! Then Suriano goes into overdrive in doing absolutely nothing but head-clinching and grabbing onto Cruz's off hand and wrist such that it's a dancing bear fest for the final 3 minutes and 45 seconds of the match (2nd Stall call forced Cruz to select neutral in 3rd). After the stalling point that gave NS a 2-0 lead, NS repeatedly dances with Cruz by engaging head-tie and grabbing at his free arm....and NS is going backwards the vast majority of the final period and one-half of the match and 100% of the 3rd, but the official inexplicably doesn't make a single stalling call against NS despite calling 2 relatively quick ones on Cruz (especially the 2nd one on Cruz which gave Suriano a commanding 2-0 lead even more so when official refuses to call stalling on NS when he is going backwards the entire 3rd period!). Utterly absurd the way that Cruz-Suriano match was called and mind-bogglingly so give it was a Semi-Final match in the National Collegiate Tournament!
I think if we were to look closer at NS Frosh year--you would see that his offense pick-up as the season went along--with that said--you could conclude that the PSU staff was working on NS becoming more offensive--and maybe account for the difference in bonus from frosh to Soph year--meaning his style was slowly changing in the PSU room.
That was pretty obvious. IMO there was an early season red flag. I can not recall who Nick was wrestling but up by 7 going into the 3rd Nick failed to score another point for the major.
Someone here posted "it did not take Rutgers long to scrub the Penn State off the kid."
I posted this particular response to give the little nomad dude an additional girly giggle.
You must have watched a different match than I did. NS stayed in the center of the mat and Cruz was the one backing up and on the defensive the entire match until the last 15 seconds.
Well if Suriano hadn't mentioned Penn State in his speech this thread would not exist. So who is obsessed with whom?
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I gotta chuckle at the Flo guys saying they don’t use click bait to up their views - and then they post a screen shot of Zain on his back against Hayes - WHEN HE’S 2 FEET OUT OF BOUNDS (and they know it).
Their tweet is so disingenuous. Who made the damn video? Who keeps talking crap? Who's pushing the video? Who the hell cares? Flo loves this sh$t.
You realize it is possible to do that, and his point can still be valid. Did he bonus more this season? Yes. But it's still not at the level that a wrestler of his ability could be at. If you go from a 7 to an 8, that's improvement. But if you could have been a 9 by staying where you were, then you are not progressing as you could be. To argue that he'll progress the same at Rutgers as he would have at Penn State, well the facts just don't back that up at all.
As a NJ guy, I was excited for him to come here. As someone who loathes Bergen, now I don't have to be disappointed if he never wins an NCAA title.
Not true if you look deeper at the stats. He lost twice by injury his freshman year, which count in the record books, unlike medical forfeits. He was 16-3 his freshman year, but if you remove the two injury bouts, he bonused in 11 of his 17 bouts that went the distance. That's 64.7% bonus rate, which is indistinguishable from 65.4% in his sophomore year when he went 25-1 and bonused 17 times.
What are the chances DapperKid or whatever looks at your post and goes, "huh?"
Not in a statistically significant way. One should recognize with a year of experience and an additional year of chronological age, there should be a statistically significant increase, not an insignificant, very marginal increase - unless one is being obtuse, intentionally or otherwise.
I am sure you have done a comparison on his strength of schedule as well. As a freshman did he wrestle BIGs or Nationals? Who he wrestled may have an impact on the %. Full disclosure, I didn't look it up to know either way.
Ever seen 'Get Low,' Turk? It stars Bill Murray and Robert Duvall (who I consider the best American film actor ever). It's tremendous fun. Also has Sissy Spacek, Lucas Black, and some others. Great movie.
Style is one thing, but when I saw Suriano vs. Lee, one thing came to mind: Lee is just better!
Ditto. If Suriano wants to move up to avoid Lee, I think he's going to find things are no easier at 133. Fix is a monster.
Fix is probably Spencer at 133, but the one thing that really peaks my interest with Suriano at 133 is he almost certainly is going to be a physical beast. At 133 Nick's offensive skill set probably will lack any progression, but he is going to be a very powerful 133 pounder.
Personally I don't believe he would move up to avoid Lee, though of course I could be wrong, but to me it doesn't seem to be his makeup. Considering how lean he was even his freshman year, I think he is just following nature.
I agree, if Fix is there (along with Gross, etc), 133 will be at least as tough as 125, if not tougher. Lots of great matchups to look forward to next year either way.
This is why Iceland is the most dangerous vacation spot in this galaxy, and maybe more.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...p-vacation-die-in-icelandic-lake-tragedy.html
Condolences to the families. One odd thing from the story is the claim that the woman was swept away from the current in the lake... I googled the lake and it doesn't seem to have an outlet, so not sure how it generated a current. Maybe our resident Iceland expert can weigh in .
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...p-vacation-die-in-icelandic-lake-tragedy.html
Condolences to the families. One odd thing from the story is the claim that the woman was swept away from the current in the lake... I googled the lake and it doesn't seem to have an outlet, so not sure how it generated a current. Maybe our resident Iceland expert can weigh in .
A river leaves it so I’m sure there’s some sort of current. The bigger problem is the 35.6 degree water. You’ll have only minutes to live in that.
Minnesotans just get through a long winter and go to Iceland to fish on a frigid lake. You’d think they’d head to Islamorada or something
There would always be currents even without a river. Colder water ( like air ) is denser and heavier and will always move towards the warmer/lighter water ( like colder denser air= higher pressure ). The bigger the difference in water or air temp.....the faster it flows= faster current or higher velocity winds. Science …….if people still believe in that sort of stuff
Science = one possibilityThere would always be currents even without a river. Colder water ( like air ) is denser and heavier and will always move towards the warmer/lighter water ( like colder denser air= higher pressure ). The bigger the difference in water or air temp.....the faster it flows= faster current or higher velocity winds. Science …….if people still believe in that sort of stuff
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