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The 3-Point Takedown: Friend or Foe?

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Thanks to the data provided by @cowcards we can now look at the 3-point takedown through a new lens. Check it out here.

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At the time the three pointer was approved the rationale was twofold:

  1. The extra point rewards offensive actions and risk-taking.
  2. It creates a more appropriate point differential between takedowns and escapes.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/6/8/media-center-3-point-takedown-approved-in-wrestling.aspx

Let's examine the first belief. Has there been more offensive action and risk taking? Well, with only two years worth of data it might be too soon to tell, but so far it looks like the answer is a resounding no. Not only has there not been more, there actually appears to be less.

Survey Says....

From 1993 to 2023, when all takedowns were worth 2 points and criteria was removed as a tiebreaker, for non-overtime matches ending in decision, or major decision (matches that go the full time and are not tech falls), the most common score was 3-2 (5.3%). With the advent of the 3-point takedown in the last two years, the most common score for these matches was 4-2 (7.9%).

One takedown matches have increased in frequency (+49%) even after they were already the most common outcome.

And sadly, during the last two tournaments the ninth most common score for non-TF, full-time matches was 2-0. That's right. A match with zero takedowns has entered the top 10 for full-time score since the rule change. For reference, 2-0 used to be the 27th most common score.

So?

One way to interpret this is that once the first takedown is secured wrestlers get into the mindset of keeping what they have rather than taking risk to try to add to it. The opposite of the stated goal.

A less direct measure is to look at the percentage of matches that go to OT.

  • 1993 - 2023: 8%
  • 2024 - 2025: 10%.
Not a huge leap given the size of the data for the 3-point era, but suggestive nonetheless.

Taken together you would be hard pressed to say they 3-point takedown has succeeded in rewarding risk-taking.
 
Thanks to the data provided by @cowcards we can now look at the 3-point takedown through a new lens. Check it out here.

Lights, Camera, ACTION

At the time the three pointer was approved the rationale was twofold:

  1. The extra point rewards offensive actions and risk-taking.
  2. It creates a more appropriate point differential between takedowns and escapes.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/6/8/media-center-3-point-takedown-approved-in-wrestling.aspx

Let's examine the first belief. Has there been more offensive action and risk taking? Well, with only two years worth of data it might be too soon to tell, but so far it looks like the answer is a resounding no. Not only has there not been more, there actually appears to be less.

Survey Says....

From 1993 to 2023, when all takedowns were worth 2 points and criteria was removed as a tiebreaker, for non-overtime matches ending in decision, or major decision (matches that go the full time and are not tech falls), the most common score was 3-2 (5.3%). With the advent of the 3-point takedown in the last two years, the most common score for these matches was 4-2 (7.9%).

One takedown matches have increased in frequency (+49%) even after they were already the most common outcome.

And sadly, during the last two tournaments the ninth most common score for non-TF, full-time matches was 2-0. That's right. A match with zero takedowns has entered the top 10 for full-time score since the rule change. For reference, 2-0 used to be the 27th most common score.

So?

One way to interpret this is that once the first takedown is secured wrestlers get into the mindset of keeping what they have rather than taking risk to try to add to it. The opposite of the stated goal.

A less direct measure is to look at the percentage of matches that go to OT.

  • 1993 - 2023: 8%
  • 2024 - 2025: 10%.
Not a huge leap given the size of the data for the 3-point era, but suggestive nonetheless.

Taken together you would be hard pressed to say they 3-point takedown has succeeded in rewarding risk-taking.
I'm gonna go all Jim Gibbons here.

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Been saying since day one that this was going to have no affect. Now, thanks to you, we find it's worse than that.
 
It was a no brainer argument… it’s only “taking a risk” because the other guy might get a counter takedown…. Also worth 3. Only way to reward the “risk” would be to make a counter takedown worth only 2 (which would be impossible and stupid).

So, it gave the first takedown guy a bigger edge to stall with… and made the riding time point/escape less valuable by comparison.

The “points scored” might be higher, but the competition and entertainment value of a close match was lessened considerably. Dumb change.
 
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I am starting to come around to the counter-intuitive.

If you want to increase risk taking, lower the score for a takedown to 1.5. If you only get 1.5 and a reversal is worth 1, you can no longer run and hide after a single takedown. A single stalling point loses the match. If you want to be safe you need more takedowns to build your margin.

I am beginning to believe they went the wrong direction if they want to promote scoring and risk-taking.
 
Call stalling the old-fashioned way. You take one step backwards off the whistle, it's stalling. You take three steps backwards during action, it's stalling. If you're not moving forward, it's stalling. If you so much as think about stalling during the match, it's stalling.

You want action? Start stalling a few guys out, you'll get action.
 
Call stalling the old-fashioned way. You take one step backwards off the whistle, it's stalling. You take three steps backwards during action, it's stalling. If you're not moving forward, it's stalling. If you so much as think about stalling during the match, it's stalling.

You want action? Start stalling a few guys out, you'll get action.
I have been saying this for years. Let the inner circle be a reference point. Maybe make inner circle a couple of feet bigger. Stop the guys with the lead from working the edge of the outer OB circle.
 
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Zero Takedown Matches

  • In the two years prior to the rule change (2022 -2023) there were 13 matches where the winner had 1 point (i.e. no takedowns).
  • In the two years since the rule change (2024 - 2025) there have been 76 matches where the winner had 1 or 2 points (20 with a single point, 56 with 2 points).
One Takedown Matches

  • In the two years prior to the rule change (2022 -2023) there were 51 matches where the winner had 2 or 3 points (i.e. one takedown).
  • In the two years since the rule change (2024 - 2025) there have been 352 matches where the winner had 3, 4, or 5 points.
  • Even if you expand the 2022-2023 scoring to include 2, 3, or 4 points for the winner, based on the assumption most 4 point matches involve one TD, one or two escapes, and zero or one riding point, the total is still only 281 matches.
No matter how you look at it there has been a substantial uptick in zero (+485%) or one takedown matches (between 24% and 590%).

I think by any metric it is clear that the 3-point takedown has had the opposite effect to what was intended.
 
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