$50 to FRL if Warnerov doesnt get pinnned by BoN
lets start there. After that we can argue about his steps up the ladder
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$50 to FRL if Warnerov doesnt get pinnned by BoN
lets start there. After that we can argue about his steps up the ladder
I have also seen plenty that didn't ever AA let alone be 4X champ. That said......I wouldn't say Lee's year "disintegrated" He didn't go undefeated but he pretty much dominated at NCAA's. He was the highest point scorer at NCAA's as a true freshman National Champ.....at a pretty loaded weight. Quite impressive I must say.
When people say that he'll never lose, and then proceed to lose within a couple of days later, yeah, that's disintegrating.
That is funny....sort of. Using your definition of disintegrating means that Nolf disintegrated and Hall did as well. When Nolf pinned Imar their first meeting this board had numerous people proclaiming that he would be an undefeated 4X champ. That didn't happen but Nolf is an incredible talent. To use that word would be preposterous. Many ordained Mark Hall to be an undefeated 4X champ …..again.....not going to happen but to diminish his talent would also be absurd. Nolf, Nickal and Hall will not be 4X champs....but more gifted than most others. Joseph and Lee can still be 4X Champs.....and most people would say Lee is the more likely of the two ( I hope they both do )…..so maybe pump the brakes on the negative comments in this case.
You're personalizing it with Lee too much. This isn't about Lee disintegrating, but, rather, the guys on HR's prediction disintegrating.
They said that Lee would never lose. Lee lost just days later, which, clearly, their prediction disintegrated. Lee's talent is separate from their prediction.
Article doesn't really bother me. Warner has the pedigree as a top 10 recruit and had a few notable wins during his RS season. Personally, I can't wrap my head around the hype for Cassioppi. I don't think I have ever seen so much hyperbole for a 15-20 something ranked recruit. Some people think he can step in for Stoll as a true freshman and match his points which is absurd.
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I would sure hope so; he's a lot bigger than Lee. My understanding is that he had a tough time holding 133 last year, which means he's probably two weight classes bigger than Lee.I heard Renteria is beating Spencer in the room.
Seeing shyt that isn't there, especially where wrestling is concerned is a Hawkeye trait.
There are plenty of wrestling forums out there for discussion but innocent old Ban can only post on one. Made me chuckle.
Reminds me of an old saying: “You run into an a**hole in the morning, you just ran into an a**hole. You run into a**holes all day, then you’re the a**hole.”
Also, if you guys think Leistikoe is bad (you’re right), you should check out the Cyclones beat reporter for the Des Moines Register. He is somehow worse.
Can't get one by you, can I?
Nice to see that I don't live in your head, given all four of your posts on here are about me.
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I find Ban to be one of my favorite posters here. Shoot, he likes Sandy Denny, how could I ever want to see him banned?
And seeing shyt and knowing it's shyt but refusing to admit that it's shyt is a Penn Saint trait?
Why all the vitriol? My hat is off to the Hawks as they have turned things around pretty quickly. Pretty admirable when they have to compete with us and tOSU for recruits. Many on this board were predicting last October they may not stay in the top five while some said top ten lastly we year. This year they are the favorites for runner up with a lot of young talent.
They stuck a dagger in our back when they secured Spencer, something that will hurt for years to come. I for one am still pissed. On top of the kid from NJ debaccle, it stings even more.
Warner is definitely a top 5ish stud, but he won't be able to handle Nickal or Baerd. As for Cassi I do buy in to the hype - have you seen this kid wrestle? He has a great motor for a big man. He is aggressive and has been tearning through the freestyle competition like a meat shreader this year. True he is not top 25 pfp but he is top 3-5 in his weight class behind Gable and Seth. The kid is very good and pretty much a lock for AA even if he goes this year.
Truith be told they will give us a run for our money in 2019/2020 with Nolf, Nickal and Nevills all saying their farewells, a sad but inevitable period ahead.
Depending upon next year's recruiting class, I can even see Cael doing another mass redshirt after we win one more NC this year. If so the hawks are the likely favorites.
They stuck a dagger in our back when they secured Spencer, something that will hurt for years to come. I for one am still pissed. On top of the kid from NJ debaccle, it stings even more.
Warner is definitely a top 5ish stud, but he won't be able to handle Nickal or Baerd. As for Cassi I do buy in to the hype - have you seen this kid wrestle? He has a great motor for a big man. He is aggressive and has been tearning through the freestyle competition like a meat shreader this year. True he is not top 25 pfp but he is top 3-5 in his weight class behind Gable and Seth. The kid is very good and pretty much a lock for AA even if he goes this year.
Truith be told they will give us a run for our money in 2019/2020 with Nolf, Nickal and Nevills all saying their farewells, a sad but inevitable period ahead.
Depending upon next year's recruiting class, I can even see Cael doing another mass redshirt after we win one more NC this year. If so the hawks are the likely favorites.
Because Sqwawker fans invite it. If you lived in Iowa and had to deal with their abject idiocy and ignorance (nd I'm not just pointing at their wrestling base; a Sqwawker is a Sqwawker is a Sqwawker), you wouldn't ask that question.
But, to be fair, I don't get the Ohio State vitriol among PSU fans, so maybe it's all a wash.
Opposing fans calling beat writers of other teams cheerleaders is a cliche as old as sportswriting itself. Meh.
Sid Hartman from Minnesota may have been one of the only exceptions to that that I can think of. He had no qualms critiquing the Minnesota pro teams throughout his career.
When I was still living there, I can't tell you the number of folks who wanted to kill the guy for critiquing their teams.
Well said. Except I think Warner will do just fine against Beard.
Because Sqwawker fans invite it. If you lived in Iowa and had to deal with their abject idiocy and ignorance (nd I'm not just pointing at their wrestling base; a Sqwawker is a Sqwawker is a Sqwawker), you wouldn't ask that question.
But, to be fair, I don't get the Ohio State vitriol among PSU fans, so maybe it's all a wash.
Several good points! I agree.
My salute was to the Iowa "program" even though Brand's demeanor and over the top antics can get on my nerves. As for their fans on HR in particular, unfortunately far too many are of the variety that has earned the right to be ridiculed ... Especially with the non stop slush fund, cheating, can only recruit but can't coach ....rhetoric fills many threads.
By contrast I was pointing out where the Iowa "program" eserves a well earned pat on the back. It's a joke that so many on their side can't do the same for what Cael has done.
I don't know if I have ever encountered a coach at any level is such an amazing leader of young men - as is Cael Sanderson. His integrity is beyond reproach, his petigre as an athlete unequalled, his behavior matside a model to emulate, his faith visible, and his ability to bring out the very best developing atheletes to their full potential is there to see. What he has done for PSU in a decade is truly incredible.
It is quite disappointing other team's fans to ignore the obvious that is staring them in the face and express some admiration, rather than to resort to little more than childish, baseless, jealous, slander of something amazing.
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The Hawks are not going to be the favorites in 2019/20.
Teske
Teasdale (RBY RS)
Lee
Verk
Berge
Cenzo
Hall
Brooks
Beard
Seth or AC
That is more than a year out, but it is certainly a lineup that will likely be favored to continue the roll.
The same people saying wait till Bo, Nolf were the same ones saying wait until Ruth, Taylor leave. The crown is on PSU and it will be until somebody raises their game, waiting for PSU to fall back won't cut it. The 'can't coach' rhetoric has died down quite a bit, the integrity card has faded some the farther the Long debacle drifts by. I admire his ability to get his team to wrestle free and fun. PSU isn't going anywhere, it will take a big move to make it happen.
Whoa Whoa Whoa...stop the clock. Ill buy what hes having and make it a double.
#isthisanewleveloftrolling
#catsanddogslivingtogether
#drinkingtheKoolAid
#YumYumGiveMeSum
I don't think we'll hear about Long from Iowa fans anymore after the courtship of PD3. Iowa is definitely making some big moves. Lots of quality recruits and transfers coming in to make the NC race interesting. It just makes the PD3 fiasco look that much more perplexing. (Wth were TnT thinking?)
Favorites or not, assuming everyone stays healthy, and the freshmen develop, Iowa will be a worthy adversary, both dual meet and tournament-wise. The dual will be in Iowa City, so home-mat advantage to Iowa.
For now, I'm going to relax and enjoy 2018-19, and all the excitement it will bring
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What results of Cassioppi make you think he could match Stoll who may be the preseason #1 ranked wrestler. The only match of note was Steveson and he wasn't the least bit competitive. Kerkvliet wrestled a very close match against Gable despite being undersized and a year younger, so why couldn't Cassi at least keep it close if he is good enough to potentially make he NCAA finals as a true freshman? If you look at his results, he has a history of running up the pin count and winning tournaments against weak competition which doesn't mean anything at the next level, especially in the heavy weight division that has notoriously weak depth due to football.
Since we have little real news, I’ll go off the trail a bit. To me the Long thing was never truly about Cael’s “integrity” for most. Some people are always looking for a way to bring someone else down to their level. Others chime in to get on the bandwagon, and some just like to poke at a rival.
The PD3 thing does not change my opinion of the Brands. If anything I respect them more for it. They were not afraid of the backlash, but did what they thought was right anyway. Was it dumb? Not to me. It never blew up on them (depending on your perspective) and I don’t believe they would have let it get out of hand. Giving someone a chance while putting strict rules in place takes a strong person with confidence. It also takes a person of character (I believe they are) which reminds me of Cael and staff. Not many could pull it off. Again, all IMO.
What we have seen of PD3 in print is not good (obviously), but I don’t fault someone for giving him a chance to straighten up. I got some extra chances myself. "It ain't over till its over". According to what people say, he can seem like a different person at times. I'm sure we all know someone like that (or were that person). That either means he is an actor trying to use people, or he is genuinely trying, but hasn’t quite figured it out yet and falls back when things get tough (he doesn't seem to have much help....seems like the Brands tried to give it). I’m certainly not going to decide on his motives (or much) according to what I read on the web and definitely not going to judge the Brands by HIS actions and decisions.
By the way, for me it was Hockeygod’s pictures of Iceland, Chickenman giving some advice about where to go, and the many food discussions that sprang up that made that thread last summer fun, as I went to Iceland later in the summer and got some good ideas about what to see, eat and drink (and had a great time).
On yet another tangent, have to mention Iceland is a great place to fly a drone. There are almost no restrictions (other than you have to consider others first), and you can get great pics and video, and few places are crowded (if any people at all). If we were driving and I saw a cool waterfall coming off a mountain....I would stop and take my drone up to get a look at what was on top and just to get a different viewpoint. Lakes, canyon's, ocean, glaciers / lagoons, etc. A lot of fun. Compare that with Alaska (I'm going in Aug) where flying is very restricted, like the rest of the US of A and Canada (I will fly where I can though).
The PD3 thing does not change my opinion of the Brands. If anything I respect them more for it. They were not afraid of the backlash, but did what they thought was right anyway. Was it dumb? Not to me. It never blew up on them (depending on your perspective) and I don’t believe they would have let it get out of hand. Giving someone a chance while putting strict rules in place takes a strong person with confidence. It also takes a person of character (I believe they are) which reminds me of Cael and staff. Not many could pull it off. Again, all IMO.
What we have seen of PD3 in print is not good (obviously), but I don’t fault someone for giving him a chance to straighten up. I got some extra chances myself. "It ain't over till its over". According to what people say, he can seem like a different person at times. I'm sure we all know someone like that (or were that person). That either means he is an actor trying to use people, or he is genuinely trying, but hasn’t quite figured it out yet and falls back when things get tough (he doesn't seem to have much help....seems like the Brands tried to give it). I’m certainly not going to decide on his motives (or much) according to what I read on the web and definitely not going to judge the Brands by HIS actions and decisions.
By the way, for me it was Hockeygod’s pictures of Iceland, Chickenman giving some advice about where to go, and the many food discussions that sprang up that made that thread last summer fun, as I went to Iceland later in the summer and got some good ideas about what to see, eat and drink (and had a great time).
On yet another tangent, have to mention Iceland is a great place to fly a drone. There are almost no restrictions (other than you have to consider others first), and you can get great pics and video, and few places are crowded (if any people at all). If we were driving and I saw a cool waterfall coming off a mountain....I would stop and take my drone up to get a look at what was on top and just to get a different viewpoint. Lakes, canyon's, ocean, glaciers / lagoons, etc. A lot of fun. Compare that with Alaska (I'm going in Aug) where flying is very restricted, like the rest of the US of A and Canada (I will fly where I can though).
I agree with you about Cassioppi. He's a good HS wrestler, but he's not a Nico or Zain or Spencer or Yianni. He's not Chase Singletary either. If he has to start as a true freshman, he's not replacing Stoll's points at nationals unless Moses parts the brackets.
However, while Stoll is the highest returning placer, he will likely not be the preseason #1 ranked wrestler after getting shot in the knee. Though that's far more realistic than Cassioppi being a lock to place this year.
I think time is far more of an issue in the Long case, PD3 while an attempt that didn't work didn't really blow up other than he never saw the mat. He is still the only NC at multiple weights in a year in his mind.
Lol...no trolling, I respect the accomplishments and how they wrestle. They are the gold standard. Much like Iowa was back in the day.
The only result that matters ..... he is a Hawk recruit
Is there a more linear progression from HS to College AA than signing with the Hawks.??????
Serious question (and open to anyone with knowledge).....what drone are you flying. Recommendations, what to look for on a purchase, dos and donts, experiences, etc.
We do a lot of traveling and i was thinking of getting into this type of thing.
So, are you saying it is about time for Costa Rica vacation pictures?
Yeah he sucks. You should just forget about him now. No reason to even mention him again
