I’d guess you’d find posts from medical journals in this thread questioning the antibodies. Don’t you think?
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the system i have been involved building pre-collects from the person before they can schedule the appointments. when they arrive they have an identifier that confirms the electronically. cycle time is under 2 min from arrival to vaccination and placing in the 15 min holding rooms. the FDA just issued more questions for the people to answer, so this system will have to be updated.
we do need stability in requirements
yeah, the Feds have bungled this big time. CANNOT leave something so massive and so important up to 50 different states to decide on how to implement. this whole thing has showed how disfunctional the american government has become at about every level.
But you can't have a blanket policy that will fit all states. All states are different and states should be administering things for what best fits their states.
You need to get on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and explain them the complexity involved. They seem to think one just walks in and gets the shot.......done. Fauci should do a presser on this and explain the process.
No, many states have bungled it. Some states are doing pretty good. Others aren’t. And it’s not a red/blue thing as some blue are good and some red are bad. If your state is doing a poor job, you need to contact your state gov, representatives, and the health dept. As blion explained the vast majority of the problems are at the ‘retail’ sites. The federal government trying to micromanage very hospital, every nursing home, every pharmacy would be a disaster of epic proportions.
I figure a lot opt out for medical reasons.....pregnancy or potential pregnancy, chemotherapy, radiation therapy, organ transplants, immunosuppressant drugs, immune based diseases like MS, lupus, allergies, severe lung problems. And there are a lot of people that hate all vaccines. I know friends with autistic kids that believe childhood vaccines caused it as that is around the time period when autism is diagnosed.. I don’t know any steps that were bypassed. The medical personnel opting out is largely the Non-licensed supporting staff like housekeeping and food services .
According to the linked Pew research article , only 10% of nurses are opting out. I would guess some of those are pregnant or are actively trying to become pregnant. I didn’t see any doctor specific segment discussed in the detailed article .
Intent to Get a COVID-19 Vaccine Rises to 60% as Confidence in Research and Development Process Increases
Still about two-in-ten U.S. adults are “pretty certain” they won’t get the vaccine – even when there’s more information.www.pewresearch.org
the order in which people should be vaccinated should not vary state to state, it should be uniform across the country (as the level of risk to people doesn't change across state lines). PA should be vaccinating over 65 and NY over 70 and NJ over 75, etc....the order of vaccination should be set by the federal government. the paperwork required to get the vaccine should all be uniform as to make the administration of it more straightforward. the procedures of the vaccination (wait period, etc....) should all be uniform. don't need 50 states and 10,000 different hospitals all wasting time on admin stuff when they should be 100% focused on getting the vaccine and injecting into people at the highest amount per day humanely possible.
From the WSJ, on why a blanket plan simply wouldn't work:
But state vaccination plans vary widely and leave many questions unanswered. Health officials are having to prioritize among competing groups including older adults, teachers and minority communities disproportionately affected by Covid-19. Many states also face challenges getting the vaccine to dramatically different populations, from crowded and diverse cities to isolated rural towns.
That makes no sense. Are you telling me a Covid somehow affects people different depending on where you live? So if I live in northern PA I will be effected differently than 5 miles across the border in Ny?
You might, if NY has a greater amount of higher risk people, or front line workers, or an overall older population.
yeah, that makes zero sense in what he is saying. again, you have governors literally picking winners and losers of who gets the vaccine first or not, makes no sense. should be uniform across the country based on science and statistics.
this should be very simple.
1. Hospital workers
2. Nursing Home
3. Health care professionals & over 75 & under 75 with double co-morbidity
4. Essential workers and over 65
5. Over 50 and & under 50 with co-morbidity
6. Everybody else.
Just wanted to share a real world ....Covid success story....10 days ago a family friend here in DFW tested positive for Covid. She was not doing well at all and at approx day 5 her Physician prescribed Hydroxychloroquine and within 48 hours she states that she felt much better . She called last evening and really sounded good to us. At this point, she will not need to be admitted and her Doc is quite positive for continued recovery. I know that there has been lots of news both negative and positive news about the off label use of this drug. All I can share....that ....in her case she is quite sure it has made a big difference for her.
Talked to a friend of mine last night that is a world renowned surgeon. Operated in 35 different countries, is in his mid eighties with triple bypass fifteen years ago. Ten days ago he and his wife got the Wuhan virus. Started taking zinc, Vit D, hydroxychloroquine, and ivermectin. Was sick about a week at home, nothing severe just tired. Last night said both are much better and back to taking the dogs out for mile walks.
Was really worried about him given his age and health issues.
India -- smh
First they approved the AZ/Oxford vaccine, despite the Phase 3 trial issues, and the FDA forcing them to correct the issues.
Then they approve an Indian vaccine that is still in Phase 3 trial, and refused to release any of the data they have on this vaccine.
First they approved the AZ/Oxford vaccine, despite the Phase 3 trial issues, and the FDA forcing them to correct the issues.
Then they approve an Indian vaccine that is still in Phase 3 trial, and refused to release any of the data they have on this vaccine.
Then there is China, which is using 2 (or 3; I can't keep track) vaccines, none of which have completed Phase 3 testing.
well between China and India they have 2.8 BILLION people. So a couple million vaccinations to them is like an ad hoc Phase 3 trial.
Also goes to show me that the amount of fatalities and issues in those two countries has probably been grossly under reported if they are willing to do things like this. as if things were under control, you wouldn't jump the gun like they are.
Good to see that unlike the authorities in the UK, the FDA is not modifying the shot regiments. The Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines were given EUAs -- they were not given full FDA approval. That was done in part because they modified the testing requirements due to the pandemic. For a typical vaccine candidate, you would need at least a year of data from Phase 3 testing -- a big part of why most experts were saying earlier this year that the vaccines would not be available until mid-to-late 2021.
Newsflash: The Chinese could care less about their people.
Yeah, thought it foolish to change dosage or intervals between shots without any data to support that. Could have been a waste of initial vaccines.
The feds shouldn't be involved other than getting the vaccine to the locals. At my local healthcare network, it's taking a long time to get people vaccinated because they are having trouble getting the hospital staff to agree to get the vaccine. They are now opening it up to all healthcare staff including maintenance staff, subcontractors, etc. What they should do is just start vaccinating whoever they can get to take it. That would be better than it just sitting in the freezers for weeks.
Not yet peer reviewed, but it appears to be some good work. It indicates that the convalescent serum antibodies are effective against the UK variant, but not against the South African variant.
Interesting note. My brother in law is a doctor, runs his own small medium size practice. There office was authorized to get the vaccine. He said about half the people in the office refused it. HIs office has maybe 25 or so employees. He said he tried to talk them into it but they refused and he had no recourse.
Makes me wonder how successful herd immunity will be if 50% is the amount of people that refuse to get the vaccine.
Makes me wonder how successful herd immunity will be if 50% is the amount of people that refuse to get the vaccine.
I was talking in person to a PA judge yesterday. He was of the opinion that an employer could require the vaccine as a terms of continued employment. I would guess this will be settled in more formal ways soon.
From the numbers I have read, 60% want the vaccine, 20% wait and see, and 20% are a more firm no way.
Here in Maryland teachers have been bumped up to the second group for the vaccine now. I don't know the info for my county but a friend who works in a different county said that in a survey last month the teachers who said they would get the vaccine basically broke down by racial profile. Over two-thirds of the white teachers said they would get the vaccine while less than 10% of the black teachers said they would get it.
I'm wondering if that's similar in the health care industry?
Most employers, especially small ones, would be very hesitant to force employees to take the vaccine. It would create a lot of tension and risk losing valuable people should they just say the hell with it and quit. Could lose some critical people.
Feel sorry for employers. They force people to take it and lose valuable people and create a hostile environment......or don’t force it and risk lawsuits should an unprotected employee spread it to other workers or customers/patients. And even if the employer stays mute and doesn’t say a word some workers that get will get angry with ones that refuse for putting their workplace at risk.
Talk about a lose/lose/lose situation.
Forget the source but healthcare no was around 28%, and general population 22%. Most of the healthcare no are the non-degree support staff(house keeping, cafeteria), the pregnant, trying to become pregnant, Black and Hispanic staff, and some immunocompromised individuals.
Good luck with that. No one should be required to get this vaccine (and I plan to get it just to make non-medical life easier).
