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Tom Brands gets a 3 year contract extention from Iowa...

most guys get an extension after a good year.

Off the top of my head, I cant recall a person getting an extension BEFORE what is expected to be the worst year of their tenure.

so the conspiracy side of me says this was done knowing the calls will be loud to make a switch at the end of what will be a brutal season. Clearly shows the school and administration is behind TnT, their latest moves (PD3), and the future direction of the program.

smart on the ADs part, cause there really is no better person for that job. the changes at the HWC are evident. The facility upgrades (fund raising) require a brands type focus if they are to be successful. the long game needs to be applied, so I get it.
 
What stands out to me is the hypocrisy of giving Brands an extension for essentially the same results that got Zalesky fired. I think the changes you noted did play a big factor but that was reactionary to what other programs have already done so Brands will continue to be behind the curve. My personal opinion is that he is an excellent tactician but not a very good strategic planner. Iowa was still the premier program in college wrestling when he took over and have had three #1 recruiting classes yet they have steadily declined over his tenure. In the end I just don't think he is as good a coach as some other people do.
 
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What stands out to me is the hypocrisy of giving Brands an extension for essentially the same results that got Zalesky fired. I think the changes you noted did play a big factor but that was reactionary to what other programs have already done so Brands will continue to be behind the curve. My personal opinion is that he is an excellent tactician but not a very good strategic planner. Iowa was still the premier program in college wrestling when he took over and have had three #1 recruiting classes yet they have steadily declined over his tenure. In the end I just don't think he is as good a coach as some other people do.
I agree with your post except for the bolded. Brands is an excellent coach, just not the best manager of a program. That happens in all walks of life and we see it every day. Just because you're a great salesman doesn't make you a great sales manager and so forth. The devolving of the Iowa program from perennial 1st to top 3-5 in my view is directly related to Brand's lack of skill in the vision and implementation aspects of his job. Doesn't make him a bad coach or bad guy, but to be top dog year in and year out requires a special combination of tactical, strategic, and coaching skills. See Dan Gable as one example.
 
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What stands out to me is the hypocrisy of giving Brands an extension for essentially the same results that got Zalesky fired. I think the changes you noted did play a big factor but that was reactionary to what other programs have already done so Brands will continue to be behind the curve. My personal opinion is that he is an excellent tactician but not a very good strategic planner. Iowa was still the premier program in college wrestling when he took over and have had three #1 recruiting classes yet they have steadily declined over his tenure. In the end I just don't think he is as good a coach as some other people do.

Well, fans take their teams side. There have been egregious examples from the B&Y camp (the whole Long to Grand View thing sticks out to me), but I think it gets more pronounced because they're Iowa. Huge vocal fanbases will get attention.

I think Brands is a great coach that is currently overshadowed by another great but greater coach. What the separation is there is up for debate and I don't know how much it matters. I really agree with your assessment - I think Ryan might be better at playing the strategy game than Brands is in the current state of things. And John Smith might be the best tactician. But, Cael is the CEO of Wrestling.

Brands also fits the optics of Iowa Wrestling perfectly and I think that symbolism gets him more support
 
What stands out to me is the hypocrisy of giving Brands an extension for essentially the same results that got Zalesky fired. I think the changes you noted did play a big factor but that was reactionary to what other programs have already done so Brands will continue to be behind the curve. My personal opinion is that he is an excellent tactician but not a very good strategic planner. Iowa was still the premier program in college wrestling when he took over and have had three #1 recruiting classes yet they have steadily declined over his tenure. In the end I just don't think he is as good a coach as some other people do.
While it looks hypocritical on the surface, when Iowa fired Zalesky, they knew they had Brands waiting in the wings. There is no obvious replacement for Brands, even if they WERE looking to go in another direction.
 
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Always interesting to read outsiders "know it all" opinions of Iowa wrestling and its coaches. Easy to throw rocks from the top of the mountain. They always go downhill.
 
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Always interesting to read outsiders "know it all" opinions of Iowa wrestling and its coaches. Easy to throw rocks from the top of the mountain. They always go downhill.

People have been throwing rocks at Iowa for a long time, because Iowa wants rocks to be thrown at them. C'mon. If reality is so hard don't watch. Criticisms here have been mild.
 
If Iowa is no real threat why talk about them so much? Obviously this will be a "down" year for the Hawkeyes but i wouldn't sleep on them in 2 years. They arent going anywhere or steadily going down into oblivion. Brands will have them roaring at your Lions again no doubt!
 
People have been throwing rocks at Iowa for a long time, because Iowa wants rocks to be thrown at them. C'mon. If reality is so hard don't watch. Criticisms here have been mild.
I threw a rock back to let you know we are still here. I embrace reality my friend. Thats why i always watch. Do you want us to just go away?
 
What stands out to me is the hypocrisy of giving Brands an extension for essentially the same results that got Zalesky fired. I think the changes you noted did play a big factor but that was reactionary to what other programs have already done so Brands will continue to be behind the curve. My personal opinion is that he is an excellent tactician but not a very good strategic planner. Iowa was still the premier program in college wrestling when he took over and have had three #1 recruiting classes yet they have steadily declined over his tenure. In the end I just don't think he is as good a coach as some other people do.

Sordid chapter at Iowa, which gets spun amazingly by the Hawkeye faithful.

Zalesky losing respect for Gable and Iowa for the way things were handled.

http://wcfcourier.com/sports/local/...cle_41a43351-dfef-5a0a-af45-ae56a1a5e365.html

Gable being brought back as Brands' top assistant (how many years did he stay there and did Brands ever win without Gable as the top assistant? I checked and Gable left after the 2011 season and Brands has never won without Gable on staff). Did Zalesky resist Gable's re-involvement with the program?

Lenny Zalesky suggesting Iowa was positioned to win the title in 2008 with the roster his brother had built - which they did (although the roster would not have included the VT wrestlers Brands brought with him, so I don't know about his assertion).

Brands tanking at VT and "delivering" the worst record in the program's history (1-15). Virginia Tech nearly dropping their program after the 1-15 season and mass defections.

The AD who did the firing leaving the school shortly thereafter (was his hand forced in the firing of Zalesky and did that factor in his decision?).

https://www.wrestlingpod.com/wrestl...red-zalesky-bowlsby-leaves-iowa-for-stanford/

What a smooth transition between Zalesky and Brands. :rolleyes:
 
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I like Brands and Cael right where they respectively are.

Ryan and Ohio State are the real threat

I agree about Ryan and OSU. If HR could ever take a moment away from bashing Cael and PSU they would realize that Ryan and his team are going to be a big challenge to them winning a title in the near future. They are recruiting lights out as well and that won't be changing any time soon.
 
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If Iowa is no real threat why talk about them so much? Obviously this will be a "down" year for the Hawkeyes but i wouldn't sleep on them in 2 years. They arent going anywhere or steadily going down into oblivion. Brands will have them roaring at your Lions again no doubt!

Cuz it creates clicks?
Or
Cuz we talk all things wrestling?
Or
Cuz we know its the truth.
 
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I agree about Ryan and OSU. If HR could ever take a moment away from bashing Cael and PSU they would realize that Ryan and his team are going to be a big challenge to them winning a title in the near future. They are recruiting lights out as well and that won't be changing any time soon.
Winning how about just finishing on the podium.

#babysteps
#2020cantcomesoonenough
#realitybites
 
Always interesting to read outsiders "know it all" opinions of Iowa wrestling and its coaches. Easy to throw rocks from the top of the mountain. They always go downhill.
Know it alls? You've got scads on HR who seemingly know all the ins and outs of the NLWC's business plan. It's uncanny

In all seriousness, the conspiracy theorists are making HR almost unreadable now - like our football board about 3 years ago
 
most guys get an extension after a good year.

Off the top of my head, I cant recall a person getting an extension BEFORE what is expected to be the worst year of their tenure.

so the conspiracy side of me says this was done knowing the calls will be loud to make a switch at the end of what will be a brutal season. Clearly shows the school and administration is behind TnT, their latest moves (PD3), and the future direction of the program.

smart on the ADs part, cause there really is no better person for that job. the changes at the HWC are evident. The facility upgrades (fund raising) require a brands type focus if they are to be successful. the long game needs to be applied, so I get it.

One other angle: They just kicked off a new fundraising initiative and are in the early phases of a long-range, programmatic upgrade plan. 3-yr extension pushes expiration out to 5 years, which is a nice round number to evaluate progress with the new initiative and reassess the landscape.

If the program is steadily improving or at the top by the end of those 5 years, a long-term extension comes. If the program is on par with today or declining, and a hot coaching prospect is available, maybe a change is made. If, like today, there is not greener grass on the coaching front, then a short extension gets done.
 
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Always interesting to read outsiders "know it all" opinions of Iowa wrestling and its coaches. Easy to throw rocks from the top of the mountain. They always go downhill.
The fact you guys have heaved rock after rock. Downhill the first year of the PSU-Sanderson era (as well as Cael's 3 years at ISU). Side hill for the briefest period of time where the programs were on equal footing. Now for the past 7 years up hill. I guess you would be part of the collective of experts knowing which is easiest.
 
You boys havin fun yet?! After Suriano ditched his prude sexy prom date for the ez chubby girl in the east parking lot, im not surprised you need to vent some frustrations ;) Who better to take that out on then lil' old sorid Iowa?
Iowa City is used to the heat. We can take it! :cool:

Just want to say i love me some Tom Brands and what HWC has going on. I support them 100% Future is bright!

Im headed to Iowa City now to watch some football tonight. Looking forward to watching Wadley and Barkley run the rock. Night games @Kinnick are electric! I don't expect to win but i hope for a better result then last year..:mad:

Story time.. I was spelunking 2 days ago at the Maquoketa caves in NE Iowa with my girlfriend. I was about 25 feet deep in a narrow cave called Barbell. My gal pal was waiting at the entrance when a couple walked up and started visiting. I could hear them chatting it up. Very nice people. Turns out they were Penn State fans here to watch the game on Saturday night. As soon as i heard that I yelled "Go Hawkeyes" from the back of the cave. :D They laughed as i smiled never actually getting to see them myself. They wandered down the trail as i struggled to crawl out for a look at them. I was too slow. My girl said the man was wearing a PSU shirt. I asked if it said wrestling and she didn't look for that..o_O(go figure).. Anyways what a great encounter i won't soon forget. If that was any of you by chance it was great to hear ya! Hope you have had a great time in Iowa. Cheers to a good game tonight and safe travels home!:)
 
One other angle: They just kicked off a new fundraising initiative and are in the early phases of a long-range, programmatic upgrade plan. 3-yr extension pushes expiration out to 5 years, which is a nice round number to evaluate progress with the new initiative and reassess the landscape.

If the program is steadily improving or at the top by the end of those 5 years, a long-term extension comes. If the program is on par with today or declining, and a hot coaching prospect is available, maybe a change is made. If, like today, there is not greener grass on the coaching front, then a short extension gets done.
Didn't the Soviets have a revolving door of 5-year plans? Still ended up on the ash heap of history.
 
Know it alls? You've got scads on HR who seemingly know all the ins and outs of the NLWC's business plan. It's uncanny

In all seriousness, the conspiracy theorists are making HR almost unreadable now - like our football board about 3 years ago
Still wondering how those calls to University Compliance officers went.

Just a guess: Hello, I'm from Hawkeye Report and -- click.
 
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Looking at this with all seriousness. Yeah, Brands isn't Cael and I do not think he is on par with Ryan. Smith has had his squad closer to PSU than Brands has had his.

The fact Brands is probably only the fourth best college wresting coach in the country is hardly a good reason to replace him. Especially with what may be the 7th or 10th best college wrestling coach.

What may make things interesting is Iowa State's standing in the pecking order. If 3 or 4 years from now and Iowa doesn't have another team championship (highly probable) and Iowa State is finishing ahead of the Hawks that makes things different. I would imagine in the Iowa athletic department being viewed as maybe the 4th best college wrestling coach in the country is not necessarily a bad thing. Being the second best wrestling coach in the state of Iowa may not be as acceptable.
 
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Know it alls? You've got scads on HR who seemingly know all the ins and outs of the NLWC's business plan. It's uncanny.

In all seriousness, the conspiracy theorists are making HR almost unreadable now - like our football board about 3 years ago
I've seen dozens of conspiracy theory comments here all summer long about you know what. It goes both ways. HawkeyeReport has very high traffic of posters. There are several knotheads indeed, same as here, just more of em on HR. Also both rivals football boards are being nasty.. Definetly not puppies and rainbows around.
 
I like Brands and Cael right where they respectively are.

Ryan and Ohio State are the real threat
Iowa is in more trouble if Pitt ever gets its act together. Going hard after Young Guns was a smart move by Brands -- but CHA is still 10 hrs from PA and non-resident tuition.

Then again, Pitt. Never mind.
 
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Looking at this with all seriousness. Yeah, Brands isn't Cael and I do not think he is on par with Ryan. Smith has had his squad closer to PSU than Brands has had his.
Demography is destiny.

Cael and Tan Tom run a similar model: live in the #1 or #2 talent pool in the country, get the very best from home, and recruit regionally and nationally for the rest.

Brands can't do the first part of that. The state of Iowa produces many good wrestlers but simply does not have the volume of truly elite wrestlers. Smith has the same obstacle in Oklahoma. It might be overcome in a given year, but is extremely hard to sustain.

That's exactly what we're seeing now with Cael and Tan Tom winning the last 7 titles and very likely winning this year as well.
 
I agree with your post except for the bolded. Brands is an excellent coach, just not the best manager of a program. That happens in all walks of life and we see it every day. Just because you're a great salesman doesn't make you a great sales manager and so forth. The devolving of the Iowa program from perennial 1st to top 3-5 in my view is directly related to Brand's lack of skill in the vision and implementation aspects of his job. Doesn't make him a bad coach or bad guy, but to be top dog year in and year out requires a special combination of tactical, strategic, and coaching skills. See Dan Gable as one example.

Yes, that's the one of aspect of my post that I figured might get some push back. Certainly not saying he is a bad coach, obviously he is a good coach, just that I don't think he is elite. Put Dresser, Koll, Brian Smith, Manning or even a guy like Flynn at Iowa with their resources and history and I think they would be in a better place then they are right now. Heck even Eggum, Cunningham or Pritzlaff would be interesting alternatives at this point.
 
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Yes, that's the one of aspect of my post that I figured might get some push back. Certainly not saying he is a bad coach, obviously he is a good coach, just that I don't think he is elite. Put Dresser, Koll, Brian Smith, Manning or even a guy like Flynn at Iowa with their resources and history and I think they would be in a better place then they are right now. Heck even Eggum, Cunningham or Pritzlaff would be interesting alternatives at this point.

I totally agree with this. And with Brands going "0 for" since Gable left the staff, one has to wonder who was really responsible for Brands' three titles.

Similarly, I think someone has to look at Pritzlaff and the fact that Wisconsin has slid a bit since he left for Rutgers and that Rutgers dramatically improved on its performances at NCAAs, put 2 and 2 together and get "4" (unlike the Rutgers fanbase, who seem to conclude it shows what a genius Goodale is) and offer Donnie a HC job. His potential seems to be pretty good.

I think it would take a big crowbar to get Casey out of State College.
 
If Iowa is no real threat why talk about them so much? Obviously this will be a "down" year for the Hawkeyes but i wouldn't sleep on them in 2 years. They arent going anywhere or steadily going down into oblivion. Brands will have them roaring at your Lions again no doubt!
Meow, meow
 
Not if you are throwing the rocks from a mountain on the moon.
... and you throw the rocks with at least escape velocity, which will be over 5000 miles per hour, the exact value depending on mountain height and direction of the throwing. ;)
 
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