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Unpack this answer from James this afternoon

It's certainly instructive in identifying trends in how his teams perform after losses.

Absolutely.

You pointed out Rutgers after 2019 Ohio State. Perfect example, among the many examples you gave. Of course we still BEAT Rutgers on the scoreboard. We still won. But the team didn't play to their peak performance. Rutgers scored over 10 points in only 1 conference game that year, yet they still led against us for almost the entire first half!
 
Did you not watch that 2016 Minnesota game? Let's be honest - we were fortunate to win. We were down 13-3 midway through the 3rd and absolutely spinning our wheels on offense until the Irvin Charles TD came out of nowhere.

Let's also not forget ... with better clock management Minnesota kicks a field goal to win the game instead of kicking that field goal to go up 23-20 w/ 1:00 left. Minnesota made mistakes in simply giving us the chance to tie it up and force OT.

That game very well could have been a loss. We looked VERY flat in the 1st half of Minnesota 2016. If we had lost that game, then it's 2-3 and Lord only knows how it could have spiraled from there. If nothing else, we would not have won the B1G that year.
Did they win or did they lose? Did the go on to beat OSU or did they not?
 
Zeise has had a gigantic hardon for Franklin since the latter declined to offer the former's son a scholorship. I think his son is still trying to catch Barkley and Hamler.
Agreed, but as I said in a previous post to someone else....name something in that specific article that isn't true.
 
Did they win or did they lose? Did the go on to beat OSU or did they not?

Penn State and James Franklin beat Minnesota in 2016, but (1) they did NOT play particularly well that day, (2) they were COMPLETELY flat in the first half and unenergetic, (3) they did not cover the spread (they were a 7-point favorite), and (4) they were fortunate to win the game, that Irvin Charles TD pass was a proverbial lightning bolt out of the blue.

If one is going to say "PSU has a track record of responding well to adversity under James Franklin", I would NOT point to the 2016 Minnesota game, which of course came a week after the 49-10 destruction by Michigan. I'd argue that game proves my point more than it does yours.
 
Agree with all.

I can't imagine how Ryan Day is going to pounce on this as evidence of "disrespect" to dial in his team even more. Obviously CJF wasn't disrespecting anybody, but he's clearly not dialed in.

He's teetering on becoming a broken man at the moment. He needs to dump the past few losses and move on. But he's not the type to do that.

Not good, Bob.
Interesting take. He must realize that the past two weeks have exposed him for reasons discussed here ad nauseam. He also must realize that if the rest of the season unfolds as it well might, said exposure will be magnified many fold.
 
I fundamentally disagree with you. The rankings of this sport and "perceptions" are intertwined into how you "look" and perform "ats" in games. If OSU simply won every game, after their loss to Oregon, would everyone be orgasming themselves talking about the "eye" test and how OSU is now a shoe in to the playoffs. ATS is actually a decent way to see how a team is trending and how much of a threat they are to get higher ranked or so on. Yes, ultimately wins and losses on the field will define Franklin's tenure at the school, but 3-22 ATS after losses is absolutely a statement to his preparedness and focus after a loss. Its irrefutable that Franklin's teams do not perform well after losses, I do think that says something about his performance.
The spread doesn't have correlation to the so-called "eye test." Yes, in the eyes of the polls and playoff committee margin of victory can impact perception. Comfortable wins create a perception of a better team than a bunch of close games. But the spread has nothing to do with it. Had PSU beaten Illinois by 21 last week and not covered the 24 point spread it wouldn't have a make a lick of difference in terms of perception.
 
The spread doesn't have correlation to the so-called "eye test." Yes, in the eyes of the polls and playoff committee margin of victory can impact perception. Comfortable wins create a perception of a better team than a bunch of close games. But the spread has nothing to do with it. Had PSU beaten Illinois by 21 last week and not covered the 24 point spread it wouldn't have a make a lick of difference in terms of perception.
Okay, so the counterpoint would be a team(there have been many) that consistently underperform spread and narrowly win games, usually termed "looked unimpressive." Where people put their money might actually be a better representation of a teams quality than herbsreits "eye test." 3 and 22 ATS does actually suggest that Franklin's teams underperform after loses. We'll agree to disagree i suppose.
 
Even among the cesspool that is Pittsburgh sports media, Paul Zeise is garbage.

That may be, Joe, as I don't follow the guy and had never even heard of him before.

But every word he writes in the piece posted here is totally on target.

I think Franklin is history at Penn State. The only question in my mind is whether it will be made official before or after the end of the season.
 
That may be, Joe, as I don't follow the guy and had never even heard of him before.

But every word he writes in the piece posted here is totally on target.

I think Franklin is history at Penn State. The only question in my mind is whether it will be made official before or after the end of the season.
Are you saying his choice or let go because there’s no chance he would be fired
 
Dude looks like he hasn't slept more than a couple hours since Saturday. Answering questions like someone that needs a nap too.
 
Agreed, but as I said in a previous post to someone else....name something in that specific article that isn't true.
The whole damn thing may be untrue.
We have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes between Franklin and the Athletic Department administration.
 
Agreed, but as I said in a previous post to someone else....name something in that specific article that isn't true.
That may be, Joe, as I don't follow the guy and had never even heard of him before.

But every word he writes in the piece posted here is totally on target.

I think Franklin is history at Penn State. The only question in my mind is whether it will be made official before or after the end of the season.
The implication that the PSU administration cares as much or more about football wins and losses than fans do is absolutely absurd and even invokes a laugh. We are not talking about Jerry Jones or George Steinbrenner. Who really believes that "the administration" is upset? Has $ been affected? LOL, we are the ones who are disturbed by the loss, not Barron.
 
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Are you saying his choice or let go because there’s no chance he would be fired

I don't see any chance at all he'll be fired.

But he's clearly distracted, and I think it's having an effect on the team.

More and more, it just seems like the handwriting's on the wall...and his press conference today did nothing to change that impression.
 
The answer is "no."
And it's always been no to that question. I'm getting tired of this crap. It's like having a player on the team who isn't fully committed in his effort.
 
The implication that the PSU administration cares as much or more about football wins and losses than fans do is absolutely absurd and even invokes a laugh. We are not talking about Jerry Jones or George Steinbrenner. Who really believes that "the administration" is upset? Has $ been affected? LOL, we are the ones who are disturbed by the loss, not Barron.
Appreciate your opinion.
 
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His record ATS is meaningless in terms of his job performance. That's a metric that only matters to gamblers and sportsbooks.

Just curious. Say you've an employee who's on a losing streak, so much so it's a trend. It goes on all year until he's up for a performance review. How do you evaluate him. That's a rhetorical question.

They are one in the same, dude. One in the same.
 

Admittedly, I am long-in-the-tooth. I've been 'around the block' a few times and I've seen this behavior before. He's more concern about framing his answers carefully rather than being forthright and answering the bloody questions. Is his mind elsewhere? You bet. Where? Well, seeing how he just changed agents mid-season that should tell you something. JMO.
 
The implication that the PSU administration cares as much or more about football wins and losses than fans do is absolutely absurd and even invokes a laugh. We are not talking about Jerry Jones or George Steinbrenner. Who really believes that "the administration" is upset? Has $ been affected? LOL, we are the ones who are disturbed by the loss, not Barron.
I wonder if when the football is winning at a high level if the number of student applications goes up? If the applications go up does the average student academic credential go up and as such the overall prestige of the University go up? Do the donations to the University go up?
 
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