Virginia is such an overrated MBB program.
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That “Hail Mary” would have gone in had he not been fouled....so not really a Hail Mary at all.
I have to disagree. Multiple people I was watching the game with immediately yelled double dribble when it happened. Steratore was silly to not just say the refs screwed up instead of trying to defend them as if it was a very subtle missed call. 2 refs were staring straight at it and didn’t call it.
It was a foul regardless which team it was on...but why not blame it on racism. If these refs threw the game, it was the worst fix in history if they made it come down to a kid hitting all 3 FTs with .6 left.
And not sure what games you’re watching that contact on shooters is allowed 99% of the time. Refs call games so tight out on the perimeter these days.
All these “fixes” seem to only happen when a team wins and the person screaming fix didn’t want them to win. If they were truly fixing games, why not do it with teams they could really make some money betting on. It’s never a fix when a big name loses....funny how that works.
not a hail mary it was a controlled jumper catch and shoot, he was bunped before he shot, absolutely a foul
and they blew the double dribble earlier
I blame obama.......or trump......no, biden
and they blew the double dribble earlier
I blame obama.......or trump......no, biden
Enough arguing, you’re all forgetting the most important point:
Nate nailed this.
Nate nailed this.
I do have MSU winning it all so if they make the call in the end against MSU then i will be pissed. Charles barkleymust be beside himself imagine being an alumni and your team just lost a heartbreaker and a chance for the finals and the you have to talk about the game afterwards. Ouch.
That call was not ticky tack. He hit his leg pretty good.
When the refs don't call an obvious foul they are deciding the game.
I disagree. IMO, it was pretty minor compared to a lot of the contact in the second half that was previously let go.
For me it’s more about consistency, especially on a call with 1 second left that changes who goes to the national championship game.
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This particular foul call wasn't really determined by the "amount" of contact (i.e a little or a lot). Seratore explained it very well ...
The defender is allowed to jump straight up in the air (from point A) to try and block the shot as long as he comes straight down to his "take off" spot (point A) and assuming he doesn't make contact with the shooter. However, the defender is not allowed to take off from point A and land in the spot where the shooter is coming down from his jumper. That's EXACTLY what the defender did and as a result, he made contact with the shooter's lower right body as the shooter was coming back down to his take off point.
Even Charles Barkley admitted the foul call was correct.
Regarding the double dribble, Seratore was correct in his analysis after the game on that point, but nobody else in the arena including announcers and Auburn's coaches picked up on that in the moment. Barkley admitted that even he didn't know the rule and Clark Kellogg stated that if he, Kenny Smith, and Barkley were on the floor officiating at that moment, they wouldn't have made the call, either. Smith and Barkley agreed with him.
Finally, I will give both Barkley and Bruce Pearl credit - they were very professional in their post game discussions and neither blamed the officials for the defeat.
The only thing about the double dribble is that the refs are supposed to know the double dribble rule. Just like golf they need a ruling and the refs know the rule more than the players
If you go back and look at still photos...Hunter was fouled on the double dribble...so if anything Auburn should be mad that the refs did not call the foul so the kid could hit 2 free throws and send into overtime.
Go back or look on twitter...tons of still photos where Jerome was fouled and held during the "double dribble."
So even more reason for Auburn to be mad that foul was not called...would have been harder for UVA. That is my whole point...Auburn fans mad about no double dribble but officials never call double dribble or walking. In the Purdue game last weekend, that kid that had 42 points....forget his name. At one point he grabbed the ball with both hands and ran into the lane taking 6 steps and made lay up. People were like oh my God what a great play and I was sitting there saying...that was a clear "travel" call.
The whole thing is this....was it a fluky ending, yes. But how many times has Auburn won on crazy fluke games. Anyone remember the "kick 6" against alabama....or the tip ball against UGA. UVA had literally been shit on in sports for the past 30 years...good for them for finally getting some good sports karma.
Calling the foul would have forced Virginia to inbound it further away from the basket, but they also would have had another couple of seconds.
Virginia was trying to go to the NC game as well....and they had the last shot, and that shot was altered by contact and you’re saying it should be okay to have their trip to the NC game taken away, but not Auburn’s? I’m pretty confident without the contact he would have made that shot.
The shot was dead on but came up short. Not being able to land will cause a shot to be short. Without the contact, he would have been able to get the needed distance.
I'll bite.... it was a foul. And it directly effected the shot. But nothing to do with not being able to land. Ball is gone from his hand and has whatever force it is going to have on it by then. Now, if the kid saw the Auburn kid coming and let that effect him in anticipation of the contact, maybe. But that is on the kid, not the contact. In this case, the contact pushed the lower body, which likely knocked the upper body and shooting hand away from his normal path causing a change in the ball's trajectory (since the ball was still in shooter's hand when contact occurred). Would ball have gone in without contact? No way to know, but the kid is a sharpshooter. But he is not hitting 100% from 3 point range for the year. What I do know is he got all 3 foul shots, so I tip my hat to him. That was clutch.
It was also double dribble. And it was likely travelling on the 3 point shot Auburn hit. And, Bryce's hand was slapped on the three pointer he hit to give Auburn a chance (no foul). And on blocks by both sides, lots of body contact. What I am saying, there is a lot that could have swung this game. Hard to blame the ref too much. Auburn had their chances. With Chuma Okeke playing, I thing the Tigers win without much pressure. But no way of knowing that either. It's basketball.
And, for clarity, after Penn State, I adopted Auburn as my southern team when we moved to Alabama. Good chance my kids will apply to go to school there. So I was clearly rooting for the Tigers. It was a bitter tasting ending. Ref should have made both of major calls. But I always believe hard to blame officials on two evenly matched teams when my team lets opportunities slip away.
Look at the still shots...initial contact was made as ball was leaving the shooters hand. If contact would have been high, the shot would have been altered. But contact was low which affects distance.
Guys, guys. Please focus. The purpose of this thread is to call out nate for being an idiot.
It was a foul. The elephant in the room is the double dribble which an 8-year old could have spotted. There shouldn’t have been a shot in the first place
The refs let the players play all game -- when was the last time you saw both teams have multiple fouls to give at the end of the game? -- and then a ref decides to call it tight at the end of the game. Weak.
Gronk was chucked well beyond 5 yards by Malcolm Jenkins on the last play of Super Bowl 52. Imagine if that would have been called. Unless something is egregious, you let it go on the last play of the game.
Gronk was chucked well beyond 5 yards by Malcolm Jenkins on the last play of Super Bowl 52. Imagine if that would have been called. Unless something is egregious, you let it go on the last play of the game.
The double dribble was egregious and they let it go so why get tight on the foul call
I agree.....I had a friend over to watch the game ( he used to ref bb) and the instant that the guard bounced the ball off his body in the backcourt and moved forward....he jumped up in his chair yelling that it was a violation.. ref’s blew that call big time !
Guy got fouled while shooting the ball. How is that “calling it tight”?
Also, the pace of the game also plays into it...fewer possessions and two teams don’t attack a lot down low means fewer fouls.
JMO but it took nerves of steel to hit those 3 free throws, more than it took for him to try the 3 pt shot.
The Auburn guy got fouled on his late 3 pointer -- the TV guys pointed it out -- and it wasn't called. The refs let them play until the very end.
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