Well really they do have the right to do it, its just that the league or team also is with in their rights to discipline them. But I do agree that there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the First Amendment means.
Well I am about done with the NFL
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Well really they do have the right to do it, its just that the league or team also is with in their rights to discipline them. But I do agree that there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the First Amendment means.
+about a Billion. LOL.
There is a story about some girl on yahoo that was crying about racial profiling at a Vonn's grocery store.
Its only one side of the story and probably about 1/4 of the facts. First off by looking at the girls picture IDK how anyone
could tell she was Bi-racial and 2nd. How do we know she didn't get all attitudy ( I mean she is a teenager) with the clerk and the clerk
gave it right back.
But she tweeted it out and well there you go its now on Yahoo's front page.
All I can say is they best get "UNDER GOD" out of the Pledge of Allegiance and off our money! In fact, get rid of the President faces and place Lady Liberty on the currency.
Let's do this scientifically. For the rest of the season, for each Penn State home game, make an observation around you for people who are standing during the National Anthem.
Also, observe those who are texting, talking, eating, drinking, or trying to get to their seats. Anything other than standing still, with either their hat or their hand over their heart.
Do that for each home game, and report back what you saw. All that you have to do is just give an honest, unbiased report on what you observed.
Also, observe those who are texting, talking, eating, drinking, or trying to get to their seats. Anything other than standing still, with either their hat or their hand over their heart.
Do that for each home game, and report back what you saw. All that you have to do is just give an honest, unbiased report on what you observed.
Last game vs Kent State -- the vast majority near me in WD, lower bowl were standing with hat removed. Probably 50% of those standing had their hand over their heart, and half of that number (me included) were singing.
I tear up twice at each Penn State game -- the playing of the National Anthem and the playing of the Penn State Alma Mater. I'd still go to the games if they stop playing it, but I'd miss it. On how many occasions in your adult life do you actually hear it played or have an opportunity to sing it?
I stand out of respect. My father was a Korean war veteran. Have several uncles who were WWII veterans. Ancestors that were in WW1 and the Civil War. Cousins and friends that were in Vietnam, Irag, and Afghanistan. Countless other friends that were in the service at some point in life. I stand for them and the respect I have for the time they put into our military to protect my freedoms.
This makes me curious about if these people protesting the anthem have anyone close to them that have served in the military.
You keep assuming (incorrectly) that those who are protesting are protesting anything to do with the military. It has been made clear that is not the case. But, if you want to keep believing it, in a Louis Freeh induced type of mentality, so be it.
We are the ultimate land of FREEDOM. Kaepernick is in some ways displaying what a great country this is by doing this. In other countries, he may be shot for this. Here, while criticized, he still has the right under our constitution to FREELY express his views. Our military doesn't fight for the flag, they fight to protect the constitution and what it means, which is FREEDOM. Understand if may disapprove of his actions, I get it, but he has every right to do it. In many ways, our military men and women are fighting for his right to do this as much as they are for the people who stand at attention during the anthem.
Everyone entitled to an opinion. I fly the US flag every day at my house and I have deep respect for US military and those that have served honorably. I detest those that disrespect the flag, national anthem, US military and similar national treasures. It saddens me to see lack of patriotism and respect shown by those living in America today. Yes, I'm old school, conservative and a member of the "Greatest Generation". I will not support any person nor any organization that disrespects our nation or national symbols, displays distain for our military like what happened during the 1960's - defectors to Canada, claims of false religious beliefs to avoid military service etc. I support national service for 100% of all youth reaching 18 yrs of age - military, care for the aged, sick or ailing, public works etc. If you don't like living in the USA and can't support our constitution, national symbols and military that's fine - you can protest and show your feelings by leaving the USA and going somewhere else where you think you will be happier with your protests.
OK- that was last game- track it going forward, and give an eyeball guesstimate percentage as to how many fall into the following categories
Standing at attention
Standing at attention with hat removed and/or hand over their heart
Texting
Talking
Eating/Drinking
Trying to get to their seats, otherwise milling about. And this includes people in the walkways.
Miscellaneous not paying attention to the National Anthem.
Again - just be honest. Not biased.
Kinda' Bruce Heim-ish:
"If you're against (an asshole like) me, that's disrespectful of the military"
WTF
I just wish the privileged people that are protesting would quit the sport they are playing in order to spend more time making a real difference. I mean think how many cops Kapernick could educate. Megan Rapino could fly the LGBT flag and also help all of these oppressed people if not for soccer wasting her time. Maybe they could even come up with a good deportation plan so all of these victims could get real help elsewhere. Sadly their sports and a song are preventing them from really, really, helping their cause...but hey they got a ton of attention which is really what they were after.
So the "American" thing to do with injustices is to pack your bags and head elsewhere? Thankfully, those that fought the battles for civil rights, religious freedoms, gay rights, etc were willing to take a stand to make American a better place, rather than just leaving to look for greener pastures. Though you might not agree with their method of protest, standing up for themselves (and in many of these cases, others) is about as patriotic as it gets.
The "American thing to do" with injustice is to stand up and fight for justice e.g. vote and campaign for those willing to represent you and your beliefs - not show disrespect towards others through ignorance that opposes what the majority (I hope) of Americans believe in. All these acts do is polarize people and distract from the issue.
I just wish the privileged people that are protesting would quit the sport they are playing in order to spend more time making a real difference. I mean think how many cops Kapernick could educate. Megan Rapino could fly the LGBT flag and also help all of these oppressed people if not for soccer wasting her time. Maybe they could even come up with a good deportation plan so all of these victims could get real help elsewhere. Sadly their sports and a song are preventing them from really, really, helping their cause...but hey they got a ton of attention which is really what they were after.
If "privileged" people did not protest, then other "privileged" people would not listen.
Hold on there Elroy!!!! I do not keep assuming what you are assuming I am assuming. I was just esplainin' why I stand, I really don't care why they are protesting, if that is their choice than that's their choice. There is a lot of crap in this world I don't agree with but most of it doesn't directly effect my day to day life so I don't burden myself with it.
BTW, nice pooper!
So, it's a slap in the face that someone actually USES the right that people fought and died for? Seems to me that NOT using it when you feel strongly enough about the issue would be more of a slap in the face to them.
It sucks this is going to make up most of the headlines and stories this Sunday. Sunday is the 15th anniversary of 9/11. Many Americans lost their lives that day. Hopefully everyone takes time out of their day on Sunday to remember the tragic events and the heroes who gave their lives trying to save others. Good luck to you guys on Saturday against Pitt.
As an old man I am beyond being offended. This country belongs to the young and their values, not mine .I long ago lost interest in the NFL for many reasons, drugs ,crime and a watered down product.. Just another divisive issue..How sad.
What exactly is it that a bunch of whinny multi-millionaires think about disrespecting America will help convince us that they are oppressed? The only thing it proves to me is that there is way too much emphasis on sports and entertainment in our culture. My TV will be off on Sundays and Monday nights until they change methods. And until they change their methods and messengers, I can only completely dismiss their message as a complete joke perpetuated by a bunch of overpaid clowns.
So guys that play a game for a living and get paid millions to do it are going to use that platform to protest how unfair this country is. The next time I eat at a restaurant I'm not going to get an appetizer to protest how unfair it is that we have starving people in the world. That will be my Colin Kapernick style protest.
Agree: I think the National Anthem being played at a sporting event, particularly one involving heated rivals or teams from different regions of the country, is highly meaningful. The fact that everyone, with a few recent exceptions, stands in allegiance and respect for the flag (and everything it represents), shows that even bitter sporting rivals have something much more important in common. I acknowledge a person's right to sit while the Anthem is played, but I do not appreciate it.
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I've been done, for the most part, with the NFL for a while. Partly as a result of being an active soccer player--with games on Sunday--for many years (though I am now retired). Partly as a result of getting married--Mrs KG had no problem with PSU and college football--but wanted at least one day from me on a weekend. Add to that that the Birds are rarely on in central Ohio, and so I'll catch a quarter here and there, but nothing serious.
I'll make sure to turn on an extra one of my TVs then to even things out.
So in your world, you can only protest those things that directly impact you? So I'm not allowed to speak out for gay rights since I'm not gay? I can't protest any racial inequalities because I'm white? You're missing the entire point of someone that has a voice speaking up for those that don't.
I think you're missing the point. Colin Kapernick is protesting a country that allows him the opportunity to make millions of dollars playing a game. Kind of like a supermodel who gets paid millions protesting because she has to work too hard. It's okay for a white guy to protest racial inequalities but don't do it while playing golf at a whites only country club. What's next, is Bill Gates going to protest because minimum wage is too low?
Plus, how do we not know this Erie Lion isn't gay? I would say that the probability of the only person suggesting that they should protest gay rights despite not being gay in a thread having nothing to do with that suggests a higher likelihood of said poster actually being gay, not that there's anything wrong with it. Just that no one else randomly brings up protesting for gay rights except Erie Lion.
What would be the issue with Bill Gates protesting minimum wage if he feels that it's a worthwhile cause? And I think you're missing the point when you say that "Kapernick is protesting a country that allows him the opportunity to make millions". He's protest certain aspects of the current state of the country, not saying that he hates everything about America (though some don't seem to be able to separate the two, since they have such strong feelings about his method of protest).
So in your opinion Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton, Madison and the rest of that discontented gang should have packed their bags and moved elsewhere. Without those protesters we wouldn't have The Star Spangled Banner, we would be singing, God Bless the Queen.
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