We really don't know what he is protesting because he chose a pretty crappy vehicle to do his protesting. As you say, he has a voice so he ought to use it. Empty gestures to try and get back to relevancy is not very worthwhile.
Well I am about done with the NFL
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We really don't know what he is protesting because he chose a pretty crappy vehicle to do his protesting. As you say, he has a voice so he ought to use it. Empty gestures to try and get back to relevancy is not very worthwhile.
I think it's funny that in the case of Kaepernick and now all the Kaepy-Cats, their solution to all this prejudice, racism,and every other -ism and -phobia out there is to literally take a knee and not move. Become a pile of dead weight fixed to one spot. If anything, Kaepernick and Rapinhoe and the others should be laughed at. When 95% of people think their job in fixing problems is to create awareness, it's no wonder why nothing gets done.
I agree, just don't go out and stay in the locker room if you feel that strongly. And who has the right to protest at "work" anyway? We don't walk around our jobs protesting. And that stupid "pink" month should go too - we get it, cancer is bad.
They don't protest at work. If you wore a KKK outfit at your job, I doubt it'd be "protected".
Indeed. 476 occurred a few years ago. Your taught to respect your parents but I doubt a 3 year old knows the reasons why. As a side note, Romans didn't realize Rome had actually fallen at the time - it was little sudden changes from bad ideas and then they looked up and it was gone.
so sammyk. Did you watch the Olympics at all? I'm wondering if you stood each time the national anthem came on during the medal ceremonies. If you didn't, why not? Isn't that disrespectful?
If he didn't stand each time would it be the same as purposely sitting on national TV and then making a statement afterward that you can not show respect for your Country?
So you are saying it is ok to not stand during the national anthem as long as you don't say anything afterwards.
It would be pretty funny, though. Until you got your ass kicked. I can't even wrap my brain around the notion of a guy walking into the office wearing a bedsheet and a pointy hat with eye cutouts.
In some places he would probably fit right in, Did anyone see the picture of the Phillie cop with the white nationalist "fatherland eagle" tattoo on his arm? The police union chief stated that he didn't see anything wrong with it cause it was a "nice eagle"
So if you make millions of dollars you should just be AOK with crappy things going on and not speak out?
I agree that a guy doesn't forfeit his free speech rights just because he makes a bunch of money, but I think it's fair to point out that he is not the only person with free speech rights. If people don't like pro football players sitting out the National Anthem, they are certainly entitled to voice their objection. These athletes are in the entertainment business, where one's public image counts. Regardless of the legality of it, sitting out the anthem on 9/11 sure does seem like a bad look to me.
Unfortunately, those ways tend to not get 1-attention or are 2-remembered for more then 24 hours.
If you feel the need to misrepresent another's words in an argument, it is likely that your position on that argument is weak. I said something completely different than what you purport my saying. That is intellectually dishonest. If you disagree with what I said, please address the things I said. Don't set up a straw man argument against something that I didn't say but you have twisted.
People have tried to set up a false equivalence that someone who doesn't stand in their home or elsewhere for the National Anthem (I do every time out of respect) is the same transgression as a player on national TV purposely not standing to get attention and then makes comments to the media that they do not respect our Country. These two acts are not the same by any stretch of the imagination.
It would be nice if those in favor of the athletes disrespecting our Country on national TV and in the media would at least attempt to be honest about their position. My guess is that the lack of honesty of those people is a significant factor in why they gravitate to supporting the disrespectful athletes. If one is honest about the issue, it is very hard to justify the means chosen by these clowns to get their flawed message out. If they want to alienate true Americans, then yes, by all means publically disrespect the USA. But don't expect these Americans to give two shits about your message.
I cannot believe you are just so obtuse on this subject.
Actually, we do sing a bastardized version of God Bless the Queen....we call it "My Country 'tis of Thee".
I am not. Can you tell me a story that is very similar to the situation at hand, so I can draw conclusions from that story and apply it to this situation?
Thanks.
I was referring to erial lions post and Luke's response. I think erial was saying that you don't have to be gay to support gay rights, much like you don't have to agree with Kaep's protest to support his right to protest. Luke extrapolated erial's post to mean that erial must be gay since he brought up the issue, saying it had nothing to do with Kaep's protest. So, I asked Luke if he understood analogies because he didn't seem to grasp the one erial presented.I am not. Can you tell me a story that is very similar to the situation at hand, so I can draw conclusions from that story and apply it to this situation?
Thanks.
I think you must have known all of that.
No in fact I did not. I simply wondered aloud if there wasn't some probability of someone off the wall bringing up being gay rights to explain their view in this thread being a representation of their orientation. I would think that anyone who brings something completely unrelated to this discussion as a means to understand this discussion has some appreciable probability of having that unrelated item being something that they themselves are quite familiar with thereby using their own experiences to understand another's. It isn't an illogical thought at all. People bring their own familiarities into unfamiliar situations as a means to develop a model to understand them. Whether or not Erie Lion is gay is not for me to decide. I simply pointed out a higher probability by virtue of his apparent attempt to bring analogy to another's situation potentially with which something he himself is familiar. But this is all a tangent anyway so if Erie Lion says he's not gay, I believe him.I was referring to erial lions post and Luke's response. I think erial was saying that you don't have to be gay to support gay rights, much like you don't have to agree with Kaep's protest to support his right to protest. Luke extrapolated erial's post to mean that erial must be gay since he brought up the issue, saying it had nothing to do with Kaep's protest. So, I asked Luke if he understood analogies because he didn't seem to grasp the one erial presented.
I think you must have known all of that.
Seemed like a leap to me. If erial had said that, though he disagrees with them, he supports the rights of white supremacists to parade through a predominantly Af-Am or Jewish community would you have suggested that perhaps erial is a neo-Nazi?
Maybe he has gay friends and doesn't like the way he's seen them treated. It happens.
Many people have friends from all walks of life and will defend them. Just Sayin.
Okay, I guess I'm obtuse because I think there are things you just don't do. I think this is the wrong vehicle for Kaepernick's protest. Like others have said, you don't do something like this on your company's dime. Freedom of speech does not give people the right to do whatever the hell they damn well choose whenever they want to. Whatever his reasons it's disrespectful. We have forced places to take down rebel flags because it was disrespectful to a group of people (and I agree with that) but these athletes can disrespect people all they want and if they get forced to stop than its unamerican. I guess all that matters is who you are disrespecting.
The Pledge of Allegiance approved by Congress in 1942 did not include 'under God'. Those two words were added in 1954, likely fueled by the anti-commie zeitgeist of that time; Cold War etc. likely fueled by the avaricious military industrial complex. An atheist may choose to disinclude the 'under God' words while still being a patriot. One has nothing to do with the other.I am not. Can you tell me a story that is very similar to the situation at hand, so I can draw conclusions from that story and apply it to this situation?
Thanks.
Likewise swearing in as a witness.
Of course one does not have anything to do with the other - because then you get into the question of "which God"....which is just crazy....
Again, it's their right to protest (peacefully, preferably). And it is the right of everyone else to decide whether to support the player doing it... as in, buying whatever they're selling. It's the right of the company paying them to pitch their stuff to determine if they are still a good fit. Aside from that, not much to be done about it... we can choose not to watch but for most sport fans, that really isn't likely to happen.
I think it's going to be more interesting observing the high schoolers (nationwide) who, from all accounts, did a bunch of kneeling last night. Be interesting to see if any of the schools do something about it, or let it blow by.
If we don't like it, we protest with our feet and dollars.
I think it's going to be more interesting observing the high schoolers (nationwide) who, from all accounts, did a bunch of kneeling last night. Be interesting to see if any of the schools do something about it, or let it blow by.
If we don't like it, we protest with our feet and dollars.
That is similar to the way I feel during the play of OUR National Anthem & OUR Alma Mater. I concentrate on the words, flag and always have a tear or two slide down my cheek. The ceremony is a brief time during the year where we can profess our gratitude to and honor our service men and women who have and are protecting our safety and welfare in the United States of America.
Thought this guy did a great job on the Jim Rome show to express why he was taking a knee: http://jimrome.com/2016/09/27/michael-thomas/ if you have a moment to listen
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