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What Is At Stake? - 2025 Edition

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I need to get this one out of the way a little early this year as I have a few things coming up that will distract me from the forum for a bit.

Once, Twice, Three Times....

The great Lionel Ritchie said it best. Who will be a "timer" this year?

Possible Two-Timers (not that kind, the good kind):

125 - Richie Figueroa
141 - Jesse Mendez
141 - Andrew Alirez
149 - Caleb Henson
174 - Levi Haines
184 - Parker Keckeisen
197 - AJ Ferrari
285 - Greg Kerkvliet

Possible Three-Timers (As Easy As 1, 2, ...)

174 - Keegan O'Toole
285 - Gable Steveson

Possible Five-Timer ("There Can Be Only One")

184 - Carter Starocci



Movin On Up

I have tracked the highest scoring wrestlers in NCAA history (using current scoring rules) down to number 234. To make the list you need to meet, or exceed Ed Peery's 59 total points. There are a handful of wrestlers who have a shot at moving onto the list, and a few who will move up the list (barring catastrophe).

The Possible Newbies (* denotes fifth year)

Ridge Lovett currently on 31 points
Beau Bartlett currently on 35.5 points*
Kyle Parco currently on 40 points*
Stephen Buchanan currently on 40 points
Levi Haines currently on 44 points
Wyatt Hendrickson currently on 48.5 points*
Cohlton Schultz currently on 58 points*

Going To A Deluxe Apartment In The Sky?

Who are the guys already on the list that have a chance to move on up?

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For reference, the top 5 scorers in NCAA history are:

  • Cael Sanderson (107.5)
  • Logan Stieber (103.5)
  • Ed Banach (102.5)
  • Mark Churella (99.5)
  • David Taylor (99)


A Toast To The Most?

We are Americans. We like the most of everything. Do I want fries with that? Silly question. I want all the fries. Bigger, Higher, Better.

There are at least two possible mosts on the line.

Team Points

Who knows what is happening with Josh Barr? Perhaps only Nick Suriano. But, assuming he is healthy, and assuming Braeden Davis can stay out of scrambles, PSU has a very real shot at decimating the team points record that has stood the test of time. As long as by time you mean 12 months. I will update my projection for them some time after seeds come out, but based on post-conference rankings they could be as high as 199 points. As absurd as that sounds. But I have to take the under.

Losses

We all know about Carter Starocci and his pursuit of the most NCAA titles. But there is another side to that coin. With more opportunity to win comes more opportunity to lose. And sadly there is a wrestler who has the chance to become the losing-est wrestler in NCAA tournament history.

But don't take that statement as a judgement (as many on the forums are want to do), because to attain that title a wrestler needs to be a winner first, and foremost. Oh, the irony. The only way to rack up loses is to win. Finishing 6th or 8th gets you three loses. That's an All-American, baby.

So shout out to Kyle Parco. Having finished 6th, 8th, 4th, and 5th he has 10 total loses (3+3+2+2). If he finishes with 2 more loses (fourth or worse), the record is his, and his alone. With an asterisk, of course. The current holders of the title, with 11 total loses, are Kirk Mammen (Oklahoma State 6th, 6th, 5th, 8th), Mike Evans (Iowa DNP, 6th, 6th, 6th), and Ben Bennett (Central Michigan 6th, 8th, 6th, 4th).

Long may you ride.



If I have left anything out, please add to the list.
 
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Possible Two-Timers (not that kind, the good kind):

125 - Richie Figueroa - NO
141 - Jesse Mendez - NO
141 - Andrew Alirez - NO
149 - Caleb Henson - NO
174 - Levi Haines - YES
184 - Parker Keckeisen - NO
197 - AJ Ferrari - NO
285 - Greg Kerkvliet - NO

Possible Three-Timers (As Easy As 1, 2, ...)

174 - Keegan O'Toole - NO
285 - Gable Steveson - YES

Possible Five-Timer ("There Can Be Only One")

184 - Carter Starocci - YES
 
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Penn State wrestlers in the top 50 of all time NCAA scoring:

5) Taylor
7) Nolf
8) Nickal
10) Brooks
10) Ruth
12) Retherford
26) CStar

Pretty impressive with having 6 out of the top 12 ever. All during the Cael Era.

Hall and Joseph would've most likely been in the top 50 if not for the missed covid year.
 
Losses

We all know about Carter Starocci and his pursuit of the most NCAA titles. But there is another side to that coin. With more opportunity to win comes more opportunity to lose. And sadly there is a wrestler who has the chance to become the losing-est wrestler in NCAA tournament history.

But don't take that statement as a judgement (as many on the forums are want to do), because to attain that title a wrestler needs to be a winner first, and foremost. Oh, the irony. The only way to rack up loses is to win. Finishing 6th or 8th gets you three loses. That's an All-American, baby.

So shout out to Kyle Parco. Having finished 6th, 8th, 4th, and 5th he has 10 total loses (3+3+2+2). If he finishes with 2 more loses (fourth or worse), the record is his, and his alone. With an asterisk, of course. The current holders of the title, with 11 total loses, are Kirk Mammen (Oklahoma State 6th, 6th, 5th, 8th) and Ben Bennett (Central Michigan 6th, 8th, 6th, 4th).

Long may you ride.



If I have left anything out, please add to the list.
Nobody will ever beat 6-6-6 Mike Evans for losses per year.
 
Penn State wrestlers in the top 50 of all time NCAA scoring:

5) Taylor
7) Nolf
8) Nickal
10) Brooks
10) Ruth
12) Retherford
26) CStar

Pretty impressive with having 6 out of the top 12 ever. All during the Cael Era.

Hall and Joseph would've most likely been in the top 50 if not for the missed covid year.
Hmmm. I have Starocci at 27. I wonder where we differ.

 
Nobody will ever beat 6-6-6 Mike Evans for losses per year.

@wrestleknownothing

Add Mike Evans with a tie for most losses with 11. He was round of 24, 1-2 in 2012 before his lucky 6-6-6 streak.

The link to my list that I built from base data from Alex Steen is in post 40 of the Penn State Wrestling Stats thread.

Edit: I didn't include Fix's 5th year in my list. With that, he'd be above CStar.
 
@wrestleknownothing

Add Mike Evans with a tie for most losses with 11. He was round of 24, 1-2 in 2012 before his lucky 6-6-6 streak.

The link to my list that I built from base data from Alex Steen is in post 40 of the Penn State Wrestling Stats thread.

Edit: I didn't include Fix's 5th year in my list. With that, he'd be above CStar.
I was just about to ask if it was Fix. I put in the per match and per year columns to deal with the early years when brackets were tiny, or huge, and when you only got three years, but it also deals with the five year guys.

Evans is added. Thanks.
 
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I just cannot wrap my brain around how amazing Penn State wrestling is. 200 team points being a genuine possibility.... utterly astonishing. How is this real? Pinch me
 
I just cannot wrap my brain around how amazing Penn State wrestling is. 200 team points being a genuine possibility.... utterly astonishing. How is this real? Pinch me
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