What must HCJF do different/better this upcoming?

[marshall23]

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How did he have a winning record at Vandy? How did we win the conference?

It would probably be reasonable to say that JF seems to get more out of lower rated kids and that he coaches better as an underdog than as the lead dog with a target.

It's just completely out of touch dislike for him to label everything a failure. One of the 5 best cfb coaches didn't win a national title between '87-'11. Yet JF is supposed to have us competing for one EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR! Or he's a bum?

Yep......just look up the definition of (fan)atics.
In one position or the other, in a much smaller environment, I've dealt with them for 51 years.
Just to give you some insight.....these cretins are so sick......that they traced me on the internet and started to use my deceased wife's maiden name to try and taunt me.
James is a good guy.....good husband, father and loyal friend. An excellent educator and role model for the program.
He abides by many of Joe's tenets and that's important to me.
He recruits well.
He's proven he can win 11 games, win the conference and go to NY6 bowls.
Like every fan, on gameday I scream at the TV.
But in the final analysis, I have an abiding respect for the time, talent and expertise it takes to be a D1 coach.
The members of the NNNNNCAC provide me with a great deal of amusement.

 

[marshall23]

Don’t forget clock management….one thing that Monday morning coaches never get wrong.

Wonder how many ever fixed a broken chin strap and wasted a time out?

 

[ouirpsu]

You tell em coach!

beat SCUM AND OSU in the same year. could care less if we win any other games

If we beat Michigan and OSU and lost every other game to go 2-10, I have a feeling you’d actually care way more than if we lost to both but went 10-2.

 

[bdgan]

Listen punk everyone on here except you apparently knows I coached for 15 years......and unlike you I played the game. But because I actually lived it, I don't need to come here and pretend I know more than D1 coaches, or in the case of Dotson, NFL front office personnel and coaches. Because I'm realistic enough to know I don't. You are a charlatan, a fraud and a phony who double talks in an effort to impress fellow fanboys. If you had ever done anything more than sniff jock straps, you would have an abiding respect for how difficult it is to advance to any level of college coaching. The only time you ever saw a locker room the girls field hockey team stuffed your ass in a garbage can.
How do you like those metrics?

If you have a top 10 fan base, top 10 paid coach, top 10 recruiting classes, top 10 team history, top 20 facility, etc. it's reasonable to expect to finish most seasons ranked in the top 10. I don't think you have to had played the game to feel that way.

Wrt Franklin.... He entered with a sanction depleted roster that was in MUCH worse shape than what O'Brien inherited. 7-6 records were to be expected. Two NY6 seasons were more like it for PSU but things have slid backwards since then. 4-5 in 2020, 7-6 in 2021, and entering 2022 unranked isn't good. I don't think you have to have played the game to realize this.

 

[bdgan]

If we beat Michigan and OSU and lost every other game to go 2-10, I have a feeling you’d actually care way more than if we lost to both but went 10-2.

That would be ridiculous but....

PSU split the lifetime series with OSU until the sanctions. Since then PSU has lost 9 of the last 10. I'm surprised that anybody would consider that acceptable.

 

[manilion]

Nope, other than get ready for a five loss season. Franklin's overarching philosophy is flawed and not exactly compatible with Big Ten football. It has proven to work in the SEC but proven not to work in the Big Ten unless you are Ohio State.

Not exactly. His time in Vandy is filled with beating inferior teams. His record was good but against none of the powers. That’s a fact just look up the record. Same can be said for his time in the Big10. Only difference, he has lost to some inferior teams while here.

 

[marshall23]

If you have a top 10 fan base, top 10 paid coach, top 10 recruiting classes, top 10 team history, top 20 facility, etc. it's reasonable to expect to finish most seasons ranked in the top 10. I don't think you have to had played the game to feel that way.

Wrt Franklin.... He entered with a sanction depleted roster that was in MUCH worse shape than what O'Brien inherited. 7-6 records were to be expected. Two NY6 seasons were more like it for PSU but things have slid backwards since then. 4-5 in 2020, 7-6 in 2021, and entering 2022 unranked isn't good. I don't think you have to have played the game to realize this.

O'Brien inherited a veteran roster that should have won at least 10 games. 25 players on that roster went on to the NFL.
While I will agree that results year in and year out should be top 20 or better.....nothing is automatic.
The same could be said of Texas, Nebraska and others and there are no guarantees.
I like lots of things about Coach Franklin and I'll be patient and see what the future brings.
I think in 2 years we'll be back to 9-11 win range and finish in the 7-15 range.
Not everyone wants to be that patient, I understand. But the reality is that he has a 10 year deal.

 

[ouirpsu]

That would be ridiculous but....

PSU split the lifetime series with OSU until the sanctions. Since then PSU has lost 9 of the last 10. I'm surprised that anybody would consider that acceptable.

As ridiculous as my previous comment was - and I agree it was pretty ridiculous - it is still not wrong. BTW, I don’t think anyone considers going 1-9 to OSU as acceptable. Except maybe the BOT.

 

[crm114psu]

That would be ridiculous but....

PSU split the lifetime series with OSU until the sanctions. Since then PSU has lost 9 of the last 10. I'm surprised that anybody would consider that acceptable.

Meanwhile, the lowly Auburn tigers have defeated their SEC West rival Alabama 3 times in that period. Each win came over an opponent with superior talent. Not saying that 3 and 7 is great but much better than 1 and 9. Success against a tough conference is possible when you have a capable coach.

Funny thing is how Franklin's shortcomings have not changed over his time at PSU. Same mistakes just not as critical when things are going his way. When the recent trend of losing began those errors became glaringly obvious but they were always there.

 

[lowhandicapper]

O'Brien inherited a veteran roster that should have won at least 10 games. 25 players on that roster went on to the NFL.
While I will agree that results year in and year out should be top 20 or better.....nothing is automatic.
The same could be said of Texas, Nebraska and others and there are no guarantees.
I like lots of things about Coach Franklin and I'll be patient and see what the future brings.
I think in 2 years we'll be back to 9-11 win range and finish in the 7-15 range.
Not everyone wants to be that patient, I understand. But the reality is that he has a 10 year deal.

Staying good is often a problem regardless of your roster. Football is dynamic. Franklin must be better and at some point win a game he isn't supposed other than a once in a lifetime play by Allen/Haley. James must be more precise in his real time execution, he has not shown to be great at this and it has cost him. Blowing those OSU games really hurt this program, that was the opportunity that needed to succeed to keep the ship forging ahead forcefully. Unfortunately it didn't happen.

Schools that have not been able to sustain success regardless of coaching and/or relatively consistent recruiting success:
Florida State
Michigan
Texas
USC
Florida
Miami

Them some big names. Michigan had it's first good season in basically a decade.

You also have to ask yourself how teams like Colorado or Georgia Tech or Arizona or Virginia Tech have fallen as low as conference bottom dwellers in last 20 years. These were really good programs just 20 years ago, in some cases less. Have you ever been to Boulder? Unreal, amazing, good football tradition too. How they don't have a good football team is amazing, they are doing something wrong.

 

[bdgan]

Meanwhile, the lowly Auburn tigers have defeated their SEC West rival Alabama 3 times in that period. Each win came over an opponent with superior talent. Not saying that 3 and 7 is great but much better than 1 and 9. Success against a tough conference is possible when you have a capable coach.

Funny thing is how Franklin's shortcomings have not changed over his time at PSU. Same mistakes just not as critical when things are going his way. When the recent trend of losing began those errors became glaringly obvious but they were always there.

The two blown Q4 leads that lead to 1 pt losses were especially painful.

IMO historically strong teams like PSU should beat OSU every 3 years. Logic tells me that OSU's high level recruits should be more likely to leave early for the NFL and every few years PSU upperclassmen should be able to beat OSU very talented underclassmen.

 

[lazydave841]

The two blown Q4 leads that lead to 1 pt losses were especially painful.

IMO historically strong teams like PSU should beat OSU every 3 years. Logic tells me that OSU's high level recruits should be more likely to leave early for the NFL and every few years PSU upperclassmen should be able to beat OSU very talented underclassmen.

The big issue with your logic is that we are sending guys to the draft who have 1/2 years eligibility left that don't end up drafted.

The Buckeyes do a marvelous job of retaining their guys who are draftable yet not a high pick. So basically, they have more high end guys and a good mix of experienced talent.

 

[ram2020]

The big issue with your logic is that we are sending guys to the draft who have 1/2 years eligibility left that don't end up drafted.

The Buckeyes do a marvelous job of retaining their guys who are draftable yet not a high pick. So basically, they have more high end guys and a good mix of experienced talent.

Exactly...spot on. I think PSU has a chance to catch up to their skill level in 1 or 2 ways and currently, we do neither:

1. Become Transfer Portal U(I don't like it either), basically what Michigan State has been doing. I know the pitfalls of this, especially recruiting, but how about an influx of savvy Juniors and Seniors every year with a ton of experience?

2. Or at minimum, we HAVE to find a way to keep our mature players, ones just barely outside of the draft, to come back for another year(Think Ellis Brooks, one possible example). If PSU can be more senior, I think that can overcome talent gaps in areas like you see in the NCAA basketball tournament each year.

Basically the paradigm now is OSU recruits better and retains better. Bad news for the guys in Blue.

 

[Delcolion915]

Perhaps it will be "seen" during the next 10 seasons.

9 more days until you vanish from this board 😆

 

[marshall23]

9 more days until you vanish from this board 😆

Not a chance Dildoboy.

 

[AWS1022]

9 more days until you vanish from this board 😆

Does that mean if they win, you will vanish?

 

[marshall23]

Does that mean if they win, you will vanish?

We'll keep him......he amuses me.

 

[scrivener]

1. Find better captains. Team leaders have not been effective.
2. This OL does not play mean, not yough enough.
3. You have to be able to run the ball to protect a late lead, this has cast a lot of games.

Hard to find a better list in one post...excellent job. The lack of leadership has plagued JF's teams for yrs...The OL is soft and gets pushed around by the likes of Nova, Buffalo, etc. To your last point, JF says it all the time, they have to be able to run the ball when they want to, and when they have to. Can't remember that happening in a couple yrs. Nicely done.

 

[HeresCarterHesGoneGoodbye]

Me too....but sadly the only way we will ever see 1 and 2 again will be on old game films. Nothing says football to me like a fullback stepping on the toes of a LB.

A relic of a bygone era and a waste of an offensive skill position in the modern game. Some of you suffer from a severe case of nostalgia poisoning.

 

[marshall23]

A relic of a bygone era and a waste of an offensive skill position in the modern game. Some of you suffer from a severe case of nostalgia poisoning.

and others are just assholes

 

[Delcolion915]

Does that mean if they win, you will vanish?

They ain't gonna win so that's moot. You will also disappear as of the next day though which is another added benefit.

 

[marshall23]

They ain't gonna win so that's moot. You will also disappear as of the next day though which is another added benefit.

redundant much?

 

[lazydave841]

They ain't gonna win so that's moot. You will also disappear as of the next day though which is another added benefit.

Curious what your old name was. You are telling posters with 11 and 9 years posting history that they will disappear yet you have only been here since March.

 

[marshall23]

Quite frankly, there is nothing he can do that hasn't been for the upcoming season. He has demonstrated that he cannot manage a game real time. If he had the ability to learn how to manage the clock, he would have already. With an 11 year sample, it is clear he will simply not improve in this regard. Same for recruiting. We will continue to have massive holes in the roster and have multiple square pegs in round holes on both sides of the ball. He has shown he has the ability to hire a pragmatic offensive coordinator (which we currently do not have, especially in the portal era). He needs to find that ability on both sides of the ball but that is best left for the offseason. Bottom line, we are what we are and what we are looks like a repeat 7 win team.

Those damn square pegs......

 

[lazydave841]

Those damn square pegs......

Crickets. Some lay low, and wait for an opportunity to pounce.

Wonder why Wally has no positive analysis? He's got 4 paragraphs of negative always.

 

[bison13]

nice job bringing this thread back

 

[marshall23]

nice job bringing this thread back

I didn't "vanish."