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"Where’s the decision that we’re going to make that’s based on the Freeh report?" asks Mr. Barron, Penn State’s president. "It’s hard to see that there is one."

So President Barron, were you lying when you said you were going to review the Freeh report, or were you lying about it when you said this?

I've been watching you, not rushing to judgment on my decision to trust you or not. Some will say I'm slow, but I prefer to be certain before I write somebody off. Now I'm certain.
 
I don't think he quite felt the foot being pushed up his a** from the BOT cabal when he first spoke.

Obviously, they pushed a little harder and he realized it wasn't his adult diaper-as we age some of our senses go. Since, with the benefit of some private obedience training, Mr. Barron will not be speaking without seeking the permission of his owners.
 
The decision to be made is if Penn St blew $100 million or more (lost count) by rushing to judgement on a report solicited by the BOT. That's the decision. Yes or No. Do you President Barron believe the Freeh report is factual accurate or not? The Alumni and Penn State community at large want to know.
 
Not trolling, but how long are some of your fans going to continue to talk about this? Don't you think it's time to move on?
 
Its this same kind of arrogance that left psu's leadership "unprepared" at every junction of this saga.

This wasn't Frau Barron's initial rationale for stating he wanted to perform a review. In fact, his concerns about trust have already scuttled his big fundraising project mere weeks after he announced it.
 
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Not trolling, but how long are some of your fans going to continue to talk about this? Don't you think it's time to move on?
No. If the status quo remains, you will be able to ask this same question 5 years from now, or 10. Some of us believe the quest for truth and justice is not time driven. I've been an attorney for over 40 years and have seen innocent men released after years in prison because someone believed in their innocence and refused to move on. I have seen guilty men, who escaped justice for half their lives, convicted in old age because someone refused to let evil go unpunished and move on. As an outsider you may not think the search for truth and justice in the wake of the Sandusky Scandal is important. Many of us in the Penn State community believe otherwise and we're not going anywhere.
 
Not trolling, but how long are some of your fans going to continue to talk about this? Don't you think it's time to move on?
RU Chip,

The real and absolutely required answer is forever.

Whether you choose to give any credence to this or not, PSU was horribly wronged by the Freeh report and all of the follow on sanctions, financial costs, etc.

For whatever reason, our BOT got caught ill prepared, fired Paterno to appease the media shrills and then got the unexpected back lash from the alumni.

They then commissioned the formulation of the supposedly independent Freeh report. Strange term as the Freeh group, PSU, the PA AG, the NCAA and the BIG 10 were all involved in the investigation. Freeh stands up on national TV and condemns PSU as if Freeh had hundreds of smoking gun document pieces of evidence in his hand to throw Paterno and the football program under the bus.

In fact, he had absolutely nothing bit three non connected emails.

The AG filed charges against Curley and Schultz, primarily to muzzle them during the Sandusky trial and later charged Spanier.

Since this has happened;

Sanctions removed,
Wins restored,
Probation truncated.
Now, some charges dropped
Without a doubt, the others will also be dropped.

Do you really think the NCAA wanted to do that after Mark Emmert preened before a national audience and ran his mouth about PSU's core values?

The Paterno family is suing the NCAA and will probably win millions.

Spanier is suing Freeh for defamation. His attorney is on a contingency. Would have to think they are not betting millions of dollars of prep work, planning to lose.

There is a high potential for other law suits, or criminal filings for the Sandusky prosecuters, namely Frank Fina, who played loose with the rules.

The bottom line is that PSU and PSU employees have not been given due process; and where due process has ventured, what was taken was given back with some lame excuse.

Yet so many view the Freeh report as some type of court room proof that Freeh blathered on about is true, simply because he said it.

If you really care, go online and read the Freeh report. Make sure you catch the comment on about page 5-7 where he says he really has no compelling evidence, but what he is describing 'could' have happened and was 'possible'.

Ever hear of the cops getting a warrant for possible cause?
 
Not trolling, but how long are some of your fans going to continue to talk about this? Don't you think it's time to move on?
Not trolling, but have you ever wondered why it is that wherever you are driving between New Jersey and New York or between New Jersey and Pennsylvania or between New Jersey and Delaware whether by bridge or by tunnel, that you don't pay to get into Jersey but you do pay to get out?

It's because they know that people will gladly pay any price that they ask just to get out of there.
 
Not trolling, but how long are some of your fans going to continue to talk about this? Don't you think it's time to move on?
Since all of the sanctions except the MONEY(there's a shock) have been walked back, it is fair to say that the original narrative is totally false. Why should alums and fans move on, when they have been so thoroughly dragged through the mud for no good reason at all? When a great man has been dragged through the mud by the very people he served so well for over 60 years, why move on without answers from those who did the dragging?
If you don't like that people on a PENN STATE site discuss this, go elsewhere. Nobody forces you to look at anything on this site.
 
Since all of the sanctions except the MONEY(there's a shock) have been walked back, it is fair to say that the original narrative is totally false. Why should alums and fans move on, when they have been so thoroughly dragged through the mud for no good reason at all? When a great man has been dragged through the mud by the very people he served so well for over 60 years, why move on without answers from those who did the dragging?
If you don't like that people on a PENN STATE site discuss this, go elsewhere. Nobody forces you to look at anything on this site.

I wish there was a way to give 1 million likes to your post.
 
Not trolling, but how long are some of your fans going to continue to talk about this? Don't you think it's time to move on?
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We need to fight back as long as jerks at people like RU fans continue to abuse people when we play at your outhouse. And fight back against morons that don't know the truth or even care about it.
 
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Not trolling, but how long are some of your fans going to continue to talk about this? Don't you think it's time to move on?

It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.
 
It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.
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Thats pretty funny. Most people here want the truth to come out even if it proves that Joe knew and covered up. What we want is for anyone that was involved in any illegal or immoral activity to be punished and for the university to be cleansed of all of them.
I would say that most believe that Joe knew only what MM told him which was very vague by MM's own testimony. Most believe that the BoT and some upper admin people were involved in some very dirty activities and they need to be exposed and charged if necessary.
Ignoring what has transpired in order to 'put it behind us' just for the sake of 'moving on' is exactly the opposite of what Joe would want.
 
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It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.
Unless you haven't noticed, and I doubt you have, this whole piece of shit is falling apart on the perps. It takes time and patience, something a little boy like you doesn't have. In the end, YOU will be proven to be one of the sheep scoundrels have counted on for eons.
 
It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.
If you are an example of the "real fans" on the pay board, then I'll gladly stay here and avoid your ridiculous circle-jerk. You write like a (poorly educated) 12-year-old, and reinforce that with your absurd name-calling. Next time you feel the urge to post here, "stick to the pay board."
 
It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.

Your post, and the several like it, strike me as being funny.

Today, everything this board and fan base have said have proven to be true.
  • The NCAA admits it handled the situation incorrectly
  • all of the sanctions were lifted as soon as they could have been
  • the anti-freeh/BOT lawsuits have not only survived appeals but are flourishing
  • the Gov (and his crew) were voted out of office largely on central PA voting him out
  • Freeh has bee discredited
  • major indictments against CS&S have been dropped (the rest are more than likely to follow)
What is left is that the suits need to come to conclusion, the motivations of those who came close to ruining Penn State has not come to light, and those who tried to ruin Penn State have not come to justice.

Complete acceptance that Joe was not involved in covering anything up and/or PSU was not involved in covering it up may or may not ever happen. The press wants scandal, unless it is about them (of course) so justice here may never be done. But at least those who want to know the truth will know it.

So in the end, it is posts like yours that make me laugh. its like saying "hey, why arrest a bank robber, the money is gone?" Or "why arrest a drunk driver who kills someone on the highway, the damage has been done?" We now know, without ambiguity, that people lied about PSU and prospered. We don't know why and justice has not been served. When that happens, it will be "over" and not a moment sooner.
 
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It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.

Someone needs a hug.
 
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The decision to be made is if Penn St blew $100 million or more (lost count) by rushing to judgement on a report solicited by the BOT. That's the decision. Yes or No. Do you President Barron believe the Freeh report is factual accurate or not? The Alumni and Penn State community at large want to know.

Not to mention honoring and giving respect to the people (and the entire university community) who's reputations have been smeared? How about that, President Barron?
 
It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.
You have your opinion and that's fine. It's unfortunate that you cannot state it without resorting to name calling and sanctimony.
 
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It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.
Umm. Crawl back into your hole, azzwipe.
 
It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.

F-ck you.
 
You have your opinion and that's fine. It's unfortunate that you cannot state it without resorting to name calling and sanctimony.
On reading his post I found myself hoping he doesn't actually hold a Penn State degree. The inability to make a case without resorting to insults isn't the mark of a good education, or of a good mind.
 
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On reading his post I found myself hoping he doesn't actually hold a Penn State degree. The inability to make a case without resorting to insults isn't the mark of a good education, or of a good mind.
Agree. I've been persuaded to change my opinion on various topics by reading articulate, thoughtful posts on this board. Posts that insult and demean tend to persuade no one. Of course, I doubt persuasion was his objective.
 
"Where’s the decision that we’re going to make that’s based on the Freeh report?" asks Mr. Barron, Penn State’s president. "It’s hard to see that there is one."

So President Barron, were you lying when you said you were going to review the Freeh report, or were you lying about it when you said this?

I've been watching you, not rushing to judgment on my decision to trust you or not. Some will say I'm slow, but I prefer to be certain before I write somebody off. Now I'm certain.

That rhetorical question by Pres. Barron is a classic passive/aggressive response. You are not gonna make any decisions based on it because of course you know it is wrong.

But you ALREADY made a whole bunch of decisions based upon it that are infected by its wrong-ness. So, one class of decision you might make based on the report is to reject it and apologize to those you harmed by ramming it down our throats.
 
It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.

Pretty amusing. Normally you restrict your crazy posts to the Lions Den. Not sure what caused you to want to prove your lunacy to a wider audience, but since you did, and since you mentioned me, I'll actually respond.

First, you have no clue why some folks only post in the Lions Den, some only post on this board, and some routinely post on both. To claim that you speak for the real fans, or that you know why folks post on certain boards, pretty much proves from the outset that your analytical skills are severely lacking.

You claim that this board is an embarrassment. I presume that's in comparison to the Lions Den. Interestingly, I'd say the Lions Den went more off the deep end, in terms of overreacting to a few coaching staff changes, a few football players transferring, and the annual angst of the end of the recruiting cycle, than did this board, but hey, you're the real fan so this board is an embarrassment. That makes perfect sense.

Then you claim I'm a ringleader of the JoeBots. You also claim I care more about JoePa than I do about PSU football. That's all kind of amusing to me. It may be a revelation to you, but most of the people I know, as well as myself, have the ability to care about a lot of things, and don't find that caring for any single thing automatically diminishes our caring for another thing. This might be a challenge for you to comprehend, but you might want to look into it.

I won't repeat the term you used in describing trustee Lubrano. Anyone that resorts to using that type of description in a public forum gets very little respect from me. It's rather amusing that you lump trustee Lubrano in with other "old guard" trustees. Apparently these issues are somewhat complicated to you, but the common usage of "old guard" trustees is those that were on the board on Nov. 2011. Since Anthony was not elected to the BOT until July 1, 2012, and he ran in opposition to many of the actions taken by the "old guard" trustees, your characterization is rather amusing. Lastly, in my opinion trustee Lubrano has done more to assist the PSU community to move forward than has any of the old guard trustees. Their approach is to act as if nothing unusual happened on the BOT, except perhaps their method of communication to JoePa on Nov. 9, 2011, and that any thoughts otherwise prevent PSU from moving forward. Trustee Lubrano has indicated that the community can't move forward unless you deal with the elephant in the room, which is pretty much re-examining what the BOT did in Nov. 2011, and in the months following that.

You also feel a portion of the PSU fanbase is a joke. Unlike you, I've never characterized any portion of the PSU fanbase as a joke, but then again, you're a real fan, so why should I question your statements.

You claim that the country laughs at us because of this portion of the fanbase. First, I don't think your characterization of the country is all that accurate. And for that fraction of the country that does laugh at those members of the PSU fanbase that are seeking the truth at what went on with JS, the Second Mile, the State Agencies, and with PSU, I don't spend a second worrying about or caring about their opinion.

Then you go from stating that a portion of the fanbase is a joke to using the same term to describe them that you used to describe trustee Lubrano. Believe what you want, but you've pretty much lost any credibility with me if that's how you describe a large body of PSU fans.

Lastly, you indicated that JoePa would slap me silly for half the crap that is posted on this board. I'm not sure who appointed you as the spokesperson for JoePa or for his estate. I take far more seriously the words of members of his estate, who have told me personally how they appreciate this board, and how it deals with these issues. But again, you're the real fan, so why would I question your ramblings over the statements from members of the Paterno family.

It's been a long time since I responded to a post from you, MikeMas3. It's likely to be even longer before I do so again.
 
That rhetorical question by Pres. Barron is a classic passive/aggressive response. You are not gonna make any decisions based on it because of course you know it is wrong.

But you ALREADY made a whole bunch of decisions based upon it that are infected by its wrong-ness. So, one class of decision you might make based on the report is to reject it and apologize to those you harmed by ramming it down our throats.

In addition to that, I'm sure there will be some more lawsuits by supposed victims come out of the woodwork at some point (we've already had a round 2). Pretty much every civil suit has cited the freeh report and PSU's tacit acceptance of it as justification for their claims.

Barron's remarks really make no sense whatsoever no matter how you look at them.
 
If being a "real Penn State Football fan" means turning your back on someone who literally made football what it is here, ............then I don't need to be a PSU Football Fan. But I for one, will continue to do what I can to see the innocent exonerated and the guilty prosecuted.
I do understand that the younger generation may find it easier to look ahead. But, I don't see where this is an either or situation. I support JF and look forward to a return to relevance. But, I could care what others (in the PSU or opponents fan base) think about the quest for the truth.
 
It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Behold! This is a REAL Penn State Fan!
 
RU Chip,

If you really care, go online and read the Freeh report. Make sure you catch the comment on about page 5-7 where he says he really has no compelling evidence, but what he is describing 'could' have happened and was 'possible'.

I like your post and the comment you quote about "could" and "possible" intrigues me. I just checked the "Final Copy" of the Freeh Report, read the first 18 pages or so and could not find it. Can you help with a little more direction? Heading of the section it appears in? Thanks
 
It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.

A person who is willing to live the rest of his life with the "pedophile-enabler" label slapped on us by the BoT and Louis Freeh as long as Penn State football can "move forward" is a person with a serious "football culture" problem.
 
It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.
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It's absolutely time to move on. Which is why most of us real fans stick to the pay board. This board is an embarrassment and starts at the top with the ringleader of the joe bots Tom McAndrew. He cares more about Joe, who is long dead btw, than penn state footbsll. Which is why we are here. Scumbags like Anthony Lubrano and other "old guard" trustees will rile up the old guard of our fanbase and halt any kind of progress in moving forward. This portion of our fanbase is a joke. The country laughs at us Bc of this portion of the fanbase. The "joe bots". They think all of the fanbase is like this. So good job you scumbags. Nice job Tom McAndrew. You're idol is gone. He'd slap you silly for half the crap posted on your board.

Then please leave and take your narrow minded ideas with you. If you want to see a joke, look in the mirror.
 
A person who is willing to live the rest of his life with the "pedophile-enabler" label slapped on us by the BoT and Louis Freeh as long as Penn State football can "move forward" is a person with a serious "football culture" problem.

Or just an obvious problem.
 
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