Wrestling on BTN TONIGHT (Friday)
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So let's talk about the facts. Lee scored 4 takedowns in that match that also would have been points in folk. None of Eiermans 6 points would of counted in folk so it's certainly reasonable to have the opinion Lee should be considered the favorite in Folk until proven otherwise.
Have you ever watched Eierman wrestle folkstyle? He loves it when guys get in on his legs so he can scramble and cradle. In freestyle he can’t expose his back to scramble like he wants to in folk.
I agree that most times takedowns can be apples to apples, but with a funky guy like Eierman it isn’t as cut and dry.
Eierman is one of the best (if not the best) folkstyle counter/funk wrestlers in all of NCAAs regardless of weight. You can't just say "those would have happened in folk" because he can't expose his back and you look for exposures. You have to wrestle completely differently in free when someone is in on your legs.
Could he have scored most of those? Sure. But Jaydin could have also countered the first one and got a TD, then rode him for 90 seconds completely changing the match. Over and over again we've seen free results not translate to folk.
I think that match is a true tossup and am looking forward to it. I think they are somewhere in the middle between Jaydin's last folk win and Lee's last free win.
Could he have scored most of those? Sure. But Jaydin could have also countered the first one and got a TD, then rode him for 90 seconds completely changing the match. Over and over again we've seen free results not translate to folk.
I think that match is a true tossup and am looking forward to it. I think they are somewhere in the middle between Jaydin's last folk win and Lee's last free win.
Labriola isn't going to do much with Kemerer. If Kemerer doesn't wrestle next year, Labriola probably isn't beating Kennedy too many more times before last night's result is reversed.
Really? I thought he was as whiney as normal, just in a less vocal manner. He managed to jump all around, but instead of yim yaming as usual he had his chin mask on with his normal look of confusion intensified.
Speaking of which, will he get fined for continuously pulling his mask down and yelling. He did it a lot, Brands also at times. Not looking to get into a covid discussion, just seems like something that could get the attention of the BigTen.
Did BTN show the two Maryland matches today? Maryland lost by a combined score of 90-0. That includes a 42-0 nail biter to powerhouse Michigan State. Good thing they fired their old coach. Wow
Per Flo, Maryland suffered 7 Falls, 1 TF, and 4 MD losses today. Sheesh. There's gotta be some low morale in that room right now.
Rutgers accomplished an equally astonishing whitewashing in football 2016, allowing opponents 160 straight points before scoring again.
Let both of those marinate for a while....and then wonder where Maryland’s first bout win will come....
They're developing a wrestling sandal for next season.
All American, yes - win it all, show me one place where anyone is seriously predicting National Champion. The sad thing is there are posters who will actually believe what you are saying. Other than the fact that Brands completely dominated and broke a top 5 guy, nobody is saying he's at that level - yet.
Well there was this:
Friday at 10:46 PM
Beyond impressive. I don’t think it’s homerish to say that if he continues to wrestle like that he can be this years NCAA champ. Gonna take a helluva man to beat him and you’re going to have to go to very dark places to do it. Nelson’s development is absolutely unreal.
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That said, we all make homer remarks. That's a big component of these message boards. I'm sure that most folks on HR think it's nuts that there are many predicting Carter Starocci will beat Kemerer at the NCAA Championships. Put me in that camp! That's what makes these boards fun. And it is always nice to see reasonable people like you venture over from the dark side.
Fair enough. If you watched his match you would be hard pressed to say he can't be in the top 5. Believe it or not, but Brands did not take wrestling seriously until much later than most. It was not pushed on him. He will continue to develop. Question for you - do you believe Starocci would beat Mark Hall?Well there was this:
Friday at 10:46 PM
Beyond impressive. I don’t think it’s homerish to say that if he continues to wrestle like that he can be this years NCAA champ. Gonna take a helluva man to beat him and you’re going to have to go to very dark places to do it. Nelson’s development is absolutely unreal.
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That said, we all make homer remarks. That's a big component of these message boards. I'm sure that most folks on HR think it's nuts that there are many predicting Carter Starocci will beat Kemerer at the NCAA Championships. Put me in that camp! That's what makes these boards fun. And it is always nice to see reasonable people like you venture over from the dark side.
And just like politics, I am happy to discuss most anything with anyone until the idiotic name calling starts. Always good to get a perspective from the other side.
That essentially was my question. A freshman Starocci may have beaten a freshman Kemerer. He's not beating today's Kemerer.
I did watch it live. And he was very impressive against a quality opponent. I truly thought that Venz would win that match. By the third period, Venz just wanted it to be over. And yes, he looked every bit a top 5 in that match. I'd land him at 6 right now.
And no, I do not see Carter Starocci beating Mark Hall. I see where you are going with this, and you have every reason to go there. But a big factor is Hall's familiarity with CS, coupled with his experience. And they match up athletically very well. Kemerer's advantage is his toolbox/experience/lack of mistakes. The more times they get to face each other, the better Starocci's chances get. I'd happily take L,L, and W. in that best of 3! Starocci also was a late developer. He was not challenged much by his training partners and he didn't focus on nutrition and lifestyle. His ascent has been ridiculous as well.
Eventually, it will all be decided on the mat, with us the beneficiaries.
You know Starocci far better than I. I just think Kemerer is at another level with his experience and skill set that it would take an uncommon performance to beat him. You could argue that a simple lack of awareness at the Big Ten's kept him from beating Hall twice last year. And yes, the good thing is it will all play out for all to see. See, even a Penn State fan and an Iowa fan can have a civil conversation! Eierman and Lee will be special too.
Starocci vs. Hall vs. Kemerer is subject to transitive property limitations. They're 3 different types of wrestlers.
Hall is an absolute technician. The guy whose every motion is measured, methodical, and precise. Think Yianni.
Kemerer is the all-purpose guy who doesn't fear being in odd spots. Not as unconventional as Eierman ... for discussion purposes, say McKenna?
Starocci is the sledgehammer. Quick and skilled but enjoys dishing out beatings, and doesnt take any crap. Think Zain.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Starocci vs. Kemerer 3x this year, and every time a war.
The only reason Kemerer beat Hall the first time was that Hall went out head hunting looking to put the match away after Joseph's big win over Marinelli. Hall got caught up in the moment and just missed sticking Kemerer in the first 30 seconds of the match. Kemerer was barely able to roll through and Hall's emotional gas tank went to empty just like that.
At B1G's Hall the methodical assassin was back and got the methodical win.
I love wrestling talk!
So glad it's back. Put a hop in your step and glimpse of sunshine on cloudy day.
Can you explain how Kemerer who you say is at another of experience somehow lost to Hall at B1G's because of a simple lack of awareness? Wouldn't an experienced wrestler have awareness?
I'm just taking notes because when our freshman become super duper seniors many on the boards will site their age and years in the program.
But now not so much banter about dr. Kemdawg
But now not so much banter about dr. Kemdawg
I remember Marky talking about CStar last year saying something to the effect of him being right there with him.
I don't want to take too much away from a really nice effort by Brands but there always seems to be a few head scratching results at the beginning of the season. Venz has been historically an up and down wrestler and he looked very unprepared in that match so I'm going to need to see some more results before anointing him a championship contender.
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He didn't think the danger count started. He made a mistake. When you are going up against a great wrestler you aren't allowed that.
Watch the replay and you can clearly hear the ref say danger and then count. The only way Kem didn't hear that is if he was wearing ear plugs. Just saying.
It was the roar of the Rutgers faithful cheering him on that drowned out the ref.
It was an odd sequence for sure. If you go to the 5 min mark, both guys are just kind of hanging out, holding position. It sure looked like Kemerer thought the count was against Hall, as he seemed very confused when he looked back at the ref, then quickly gave up position.
At that point, he had already given up the 2 danger and then the 2 td. I'm not going to try and predict the outcome if the exposure never happens, but no way was he going to overcome a 6 point deficit against Hall...
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