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[L.T. Young]

You don't even know the basic facts of this case. The prosecution was "off base" because they couldn't even produce V2 and V8 yet still brought those cases to trial (all the while there were supposedly dozens of other victims the OAG spoke to that they could have used instead of trying V2 and V8). How can he deny showering with someone the state claims doesn't even exist (that's part of the problem with defending oneself against a crime with no known victim, btw)??

Like it or not, the way the laws in PA and elsewhere are set up --showering with a kid isn't illegal. It's only a crime if it can be PROVEN one is doing it for sexual gratification purposes (hence the reason V6 wasn't prosecuted back in 1998). Even regarding V2, MM said he couldn't see JS's hands or anyone's privates, so how could the state say JS was aroused in the shower or prove JS was taking the shower for gratification purposes? V2, V6, and V8 as stand alone cases never would have even gone to trial let alone resulted in convictions b/c it's really hard to prove someone is taking a shower with a kid for sexual gratification purposes.

I noticed you didn't mention the V8 charges that JS was convicted of.... how convenient. With V8 there was no victim, no witness, and no evidence. Yet, the jury still convicted him on those charges. And you STILL are trying to claim the jury wasn't prejudiced based on the fact JS wasn't convicted on 100% of the charges which is a completely illogical and nonsensical argument. Just b/c JS wasn't convicted of ALL the charges against him doesn't mean the jury wasn't prejudiced, he was still convicted on 45 of 48 counts or whatever it was including charges where there was no victim, no witness, and no evidence. If you don't think that shows the jury was prejudiced then I don't know what to tell you. The V8 convictions, as I've pointed out to you REPEATEDLY are a perfect example of how the jury was prejudiced yet you keep ignoring them and only want to talk about V2.

You refuse to have a logical intellectually honest conversation.

I refuse to have an intellectually honest conversation?

You're completely delusional.

Does Sandusky deny being in the shower with victim 2? NO

Does Sandusky deny physical contact between himself and the minor child known as victim 2 while both were naked in the shower? NO

Is there a witness to corroborate this? YES

Please tell me where he's being treated unfairly? The prosecution established beyond a reasonable doubt that JS did shower naked with victim 2, had physical contact while doing so, and that it was done for his own sexual gratification.

There's no question as to the existence of victim 2. To pretend like it's up for debate is intellectually dishonest.

Quit acting like Sandusky didn't have any control over where he's sitting right now.

 

[WeR0206]

You were going on and on about the illegal leak, if she got it from witnesses it was not illegal. That was my point

Normally that would be true (GJ witness are free to discuss their testimony), unless the GJ judge issued an order instructing the GJ witnesses to not discuss their testimony with anyone. And, I may be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure that there was a secrecy order issued to the witnesses in the JS and CSS GJ's. Also I'm pretty sure there is a distinction between GJ witnesses discussing their testimony with family/friends and witnesses discussing their testimony with the press so it can get blasted out to the world. Pretty sure the latter is not allowed.

However on a separate note, the GJP (which was the 2nd leak) getting "accidentally" posted to the court website and Ganim just happening to be on the site exactly when the GJP was posted is certainly a coordinated breach of GJ secrecy/regulations/etc....unless of course you believe it was all just one big coincidence.....which I don't for one second.

 

[WeR0206]

I refuse to have an intellectually honest conversation?

You're completely delusional.

Does Sandusky deny being in the shower with victim 2? NO

Does Sandusky deny physical contact between himself and the minor child known as victim 2 while both were naked in the shower? NO

Is there a witness to corroborate this? YES

Please tell me where he's being treated unfairly? The prosecution established beyond a reasonable doubt that JS did shower naked with victim 2, had physical contact while doing so, and that it was done for his own sexual gratification.

There's no question as to the existence of victim 2. To pretend like it's up for debate is intellectually dishonest.

Quit acting like Sandusky didn't have any control over where he's sitting right now.

I'm not the one pretending V2 is unknown, the state is. I actually believe AM is V2 but I'm not the prosecutor, the state is. So as far as JS having to defend himself from the charges the STATE brought, he has to go by what the state was saying. And the state claimed V2 was NOT AM....

According to the state V2 is unknown... I'm not sure why this is so confusing to you. So, in the legal proceedings brought by the state, how could JS say one way or the other if he was in the shower with an unknown person? If the state ever officially produced V2 then JS could say on the record yes I was showering with him that night or no I wasn't, but since that never happened it was impossible for him to confirm/deny anything re: V2 as far as the state was concerned.

 

[Misder2]

Normally that would be true (GJ witness are free to discuss their testimony), unless the GJ judge issued an order instructing the GJ witnesses to not discuss their testimony with anyone. And, I may be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure that there was a secrecy order issued to the witnesses in the JS and CSS GJ's. Also I'm pretty sure there is a distinction between GJ witnesses discussing their testimony with family/friends and witnesses discussing their testimony with the press so it can get blasted out to the world. Pretty sure the latter is not allowed.

However on a separate note, the GJP (which was the 2nd leak) getting "accidentally" posted to the court website and Ganim just happening to be on the site exactly when the GJP was posted is certainly a coordinated breach of GJ secrecy/regulations/etc....unless of course you believe it was all just one big coincidence.....which I don't for one second.

I wont even try to argue the 2nd point, I agree with you. As for the 1st, there were no restrictions. (your caveat regarding the press is an unknown to me) My point was that the witnesses were free to speak and obviously some did

 

[L.T. Young]

The dumbest post ever was "it's illegal to shower with kids". The prisons and jails would be filled up over night. Would I do it? No. But many have.

LULZ, sure boss. If you can find one example of a grown man repeatedly showering alone with children even after he was told to stop doing it I'll concede.

You act like it happens everyday, it doesn't. Adults generally don't put themselves in a position to be naked and alone with a naked child. The fact you act like it's common shows a complete lack of understanding.

This is a magical place where common sense no longer exists. Everyone is out to get poor Jerry.

Who cares if he was given warnings and kept doing it? That's not proof.

Who cares if multiple victims took the stand and spoke in detail of abuse at his hands? They're all lying.

Who cares if Sandusky can't explain his actions at all? He's just a good guy that got railroaded.

 

[toddbrewster]

These posts are generally about 1 point - should Jerry get a new trial?

They people posting yes get no benefit to them, if Jerry gets a new trial. They see the first trial was a joke and Jerry may possibly be innocent and is rotting in jail. A new trial will put to rest the consensus that everyone in PA believed Jerry to be a pedophile and there was NO doubt. A new trial will also hopefully shed light on all the political and monetary graft that went on via 2nd Mile. It will also hopefully shed light on the BOT who gave out millions to Move On.

Those posting no say it is because they are convinced Jerry is a pedophile. Why are they fighting so hard? Could they be one of the victims, one of the lawyers or involved with or as a BOT? PSU has spent millions that led people to think Jerry is guilty, do you have a problem spending a little more to find out the truth?

BTW, it was never proven Jerry said he wished he was dead, Shubin is the one who said V2 is his client and Shubin got him $3 mil. TiredOld - it has been said Jerry is a chaste pedophile and if you things he is guilty for wanting to have sex with little boys, then our jails would be overflowing with chaste rapists. If your son or grandson were accused of rape, wouldn't you want proof of guilt. BTW, for the fools who keep saying JZ is harassing all the victims, he is just doing this with the Big 3. However, he has shown proof that the other victims' stories had contradictions and falsehoods.

 

[Op2]

These posts are generally about 1 point - should Jerry get a new trial?

They people posting yes get no benefit to them, if Jerry gets a new trial. They see the first trial was a joke and Jerry may possibly be innocent and is rotting in jail. A new trial will put to rest the consensus that everyone in PA believed Jerry to be a pedophile and there was NO doubt. A new trial will also hopefully shed light on all the political and monetary graft that went on via 2nd Mile. It will also hopefully shed light on the BOT who gave out millions to Move On.

Those posting no say it is because they are convinced Jerry is a pedophile. Why are they fighting so hard? Could they be one of the victims, one of the lawyers or involved with or as a BOT? PSU has spent millions that led people to think Jerry is guilty, do you have a problem spending a little more to find out the truth?

BTW, it was never proven Jerry said he wished he was dead, Shubin is the one who said V2 is his client and Shubin got him $3 mil. TiredOld - it has been said Jerry is a chaste pedophile and if you things he is guilty for wanting to have sex with little boys, then our jails would be overflowing with chaste rapists. If your son or grandson were accused of rape, wouldn't you want proof of guilt. BTW, for the fools who keep saying JZ is harassing all the victims, he is just doing this with the Big 3. However, he has shown proof that the other victims' stories had contradictions and falsehoods.

Unless the police and the mother of the 1998 kid are lying, Jerry did say "I wish I was dead." Look at Page 45 of the Freeh Report.

 

[Misder2]

These posts are generally about 1 point - should Jerry get a new trial?

They people posting yes get no benefit to them, if Jerry gets a new trial. They see the first trial was a joke and Jerry may possibly be innocent and is rotting in jail. A new trial will put to rest the consensus that everyone in PA believed Jerry to be a pedophile and there was NO doubt. A new trial will also hopefully shed light on all the political and monetary graft that went on via 2nd Mile. It will also hopefully shed light on the BOT who gave out millions to Move On.

Those posting no say it is because they are convinced Jerry is a pedophile. Why are they fighting so hard? Could they be one of the victims, one of the lawyers or involved with or as a BOT? PSU has spent millions that led people to think Jerry is guilty, do you have a problem spending a little more to find out the truth?

BTW, it was never proven Jerry said he wished he was dead, Shubin is the one who said V2 is his client and Shubin got him $3 mil. TiredOld - it has been said Jerry is a chaste pedophile and if you things he is guilty for wanting to have sex with little boys, then our jails would be overflowing with chaste rapists. If your son or grandson were accused of rape, wouldn't you want proof of guilt. BTW, for the fools who keep saying JZ is harassing all the victims, he is just doing this with the Big 3. However, he has shown proof that the other victims' stories had contradictions and falsehoods.

Prisons are full of people that can make convincing arguments they deserve a new trial.

 

[Golic55]

I don't think it is that hard to get victims to come forward when there is a potential 2-3 million dollar settlement on the table. AF was the lone accuser for 2.5 years after the initial complaint. The illegal grand jury leak to Sara Ganim in March, 2011 was an obvious attempt to find more victims and it worked. Sara Ganim has admitted doing the OAG's bidding and going to v6's mother to recruit more victims.

After Penn State fired Paterno and Spanier, and admitted responsibility, it is a wonder than more victims didn't come forward. Penn State has shown a desire to make settlements without doing due diligence that the claims are valid or even if Penn State is culpable (if the Freeh Report is the farce that I suspect it is, Penn State is not culpable).

Regarding JS's behavior in the car, my understanding is a little different than yours. My understanding is that this usually happened when there was a young man in the front passenger seat as well as young men in the back seats. JS would sometime put this right hand on the left knee on the front seat passenger and his right hand would not move from the left knee.

I will acknowledge that JS engaged in behavior that seems inappropriate such as showering with young men and making physical contact with them when there is no other adult present. At the same time, I am not at all convinced that in these situations that he was sexually aroused or he molested anyone.

JS behavior is strictly hearsay.

 

[indynittany]

...Or for that matter, why shower with a kid in the first place....

Where is the kid supposed to shower?

 

[indynittany]

....Jerry had NO alibis and had no defense for it at all. None, he didn't have a defense because he is guilty.....

That's not how the system is supposed to work. Where is the proof that any of these crimes actually occurred? Shouldn't a criminal act be established before someone gets convicted?

 

[Op2]

Where is the kid supposed to shower?

Did you read my post? The point was that if you're going to spend time with a troubled kid in an effort to improve his life why would you involve showering? Even if the kid worked up a sweat "working out" (which kids don't typically want to do in the first place but that's another story), don't you think the kid would prefer showering at home afterwards instead of stripping naked and showering alone in a locker room with some guy? Do I really have to explain this?

As a child how many showers did you take where it was only you and one unrelated adult? For me it was zero and I think it's zero for the vast majority of people.

 

[getmyjive11]

I don't believe Jerry is a chaste pedophile or any type of pedophile. I don't believe he was sexually aroused when he was around kids and I don't believe he molested any kids.

Based on what? Seriously, why do you think that when a number of victims have testified against him?

 

[getmyjive11]

That's not how the system is supposed to work. Where is the proof that any of these crimes actually occurred? Shouldn't a criminal act be established before someone gets convicted?

The MULTIPLE victims testimonies are all that you need. Unless you think there should be other evidence years after the fact.

 

[aferrelli]

It's been suggested that Jerry is a "chaste" pedophile. I believe that may be closer to the truth than what the narrative is. But the bottom line is he obviously creeped-out several of the kids enough to raise this shitstorm and, chaste or not, he's still a pedophile.

The prosecuting attorneys started seeing dollar signs when PSU mishandled the entire situation. That's when all of these alleged victims started coming out of the woodwork. Every kid who ever had a connection with Jerry suddenly had a claim to $. Unfortunately, it's that simple.

 

[ralpieE]

The prosecuting attorneys started seeing dollar signs when PSU mishandled the entire situation. That's when all of these alleged victims started coming out of the woodwork. Every kid who ever had a connection with Jerry suddenly had a claim to $. Unfortunately, it's that simple.

+1

 

[pandaczar12]

Based on what? Seriously, why do you think that when a number of victims have testified against him?

The MULTIPLE victims testimonies are all that you need. Unless you think there should be other evidence years after the fact.

What is the magic number of victims that make allegations without evidence credible?

 

[ralpieE]

What is the magic number of victims that make allegations without evidence credible?

One more time...a man of Jerry's size is going to inflict damage that can't be hidden.

 

[pandaczar12]

One more time...a man of Jerry's size is going to inflict damage that can't be hidden.

A crime can still be committed without inflicting damage.

I'm playing devil's advocate. People seem to think that he is guilty because of the number of victims. I simply want to know what number of victims it takes in the absence of any evidence to make someone guilty? Simply looking for a number, like "if there are 5 accusers, the person is guilty... hence 4 is not enough."

 

[LaJolla Lion]

One more time...a man of Jerry's size is going to inflict damage that can't be hidden.

Stop making crap up ralphie. Giving oral, what would be the damage? Come on Doc, explain what the damage would be. You don't even realize these victims tell nobody in this case and almost every single case like this one. That isn't made up like your BS, it's a fact. Victims are embarrassed and rarely come forward. You have to be a blue hair who is just in complete and utter denial. Not that nice old Leery, he would never do that. It's the rest of the world out to get him. That has to be it as he rots where he belongs.

 

[ralpieE]

Stop making crap up ralphie. Giving oral, what would be the damage? Come on Doc, explain what the damage would be. You don't even realize these victims tell nobody in this case and almost every single case like this one. That isn't made up like your BS, it's a fact. Victims are embarrassed and rarely come forward. You have to be a blue hair who is just in complete and utter denial. Not that nice old Leery, he would never do that. It's the rest of the world out to get him. That has to be it as he rots where he belongs.

You and others continually insist rape. You spam everywhere you can.

Prove oral.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Ralphie, answer these simple questions. I don't have to prove oral, the victims testified to it. I didn't think you would try and defend the stupid comment about damage, nice change of direction there.

1. How many times did you shower with kids that were not your own?
2. How many times were you told to stop, but still did this anyway?
3. How often did you have children in your basement alone or even over to your house?
4. How many kids were you alone with? 1-2, 50?
5. How many grown men do you know that hang out with kids that are not their alone all of the time?
6. How many kids stated you molested them? 1, 10?

Charity is one thing and a ton of good people do that work. You don't have to do it alone when you have 5 kids in your house. Why would that person be alone with so many kids all of the time? You can sit there and deny it because 10 year old kids weren't smart enough to save his DNA, but that is on you. I hope every day of his life is completely miserable and I only wish that people have gotten to him in jail. He used a childrens charity for kids that were already dealt a tough hand to appease his own little fantasies. I'm sure your in denial which is fine, but he is NEVER EVER getting out of jail.

 

[ralpieE]

Ralphie, answer these simple questions. I don't have to prove oral, the victims testified to it. I didn't think you would try and defend the stupid comment about damage, nice change of direction there.

1. How many times did you shower with kids that were not your own?
2. How many times were you told to stop, but still did this anyway?
3. How often did you have children in your basement alone or even over to your house?
4. How many kids were you alone with? 1-2, 50?
5. How many grown men do you know that hang out with kids that are not their alone all of the time?
6. How many kids stated you molested them? 1, 10?

Charity is one thing and a ton of good people do that work. You don't have to do it alone when you have 5 kids in your house. Why would that person be alone with so many kids all of the time? You can sit there and deny it because 10 year old kids weren't smart enough to save his DNA, but that is on you. I hope every day of his life is completely miserable and I only wish that people have gotten to him in jail. He used a childrens charity for kids that were already dealt a tough hand to appease his own little fantasies. I'm sure your in denial which is fine, but he is NEVER EVER getting out of jail.

You failed to answer. Prove oral or rape, or go back to Penn Live, idiot.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

You need to go back to Pennlive as I have the same handle everywhere. Look for my posts there. I understand why you don't want to answer those questions. They actually make you think WTF am I doing defending the tickle monster? The man who raped kids and you defend him because you like a football team or school. It's as demented as it gets and those doing it are spitting on Joe's grave.

Notice the Paterno's aren't defending JZ or JS. They instead are using it to teach people about sick f--ks like Jerry. Some here think some magical fairy is going to come in, prove JS is innocent, and have the world bow before PSU. They are in utter denial. A ton of people screwed up for PSU and a ton of good people got caught in Jerry's wash. The fairy for Jerry is not coming, but hopefully the good people that possibly got caught up in a witch hunt get their day in court.

New handle pnny, the whole pennlive obsession crazy. Then again, you defend child molesters so you have that box already checked off.

 

[indynittany]

The MULTIPLE victims testimonies are all that you need. Unless you think there should be other evidence years after the fact.

Erickson promised them $ millions. That taints their testimonies. Plus we know they were told what to say. I want physical proof of even one crime.

 

[SteveMasters]

Based on what? Seriously, why do you think that when a number of victims have testified against him?

I base this on the facts that none of the "victims" made contemporaneous reports, all of the victim stories have changed over time to fit the circumstances, some of the victims hired lawyers before they spoke to authorities, and there were potential multi million dollar settlements that may have been too difficult to resist.

 

[ralpieE]

I base this on the facts that none of the "victims" made contemporaneous reports, all of the victim stories have changed over time to fit the circumstances, some of the victims hired lawyers before they spoke to authorities, and there were potential multi million dollar settlements that may have been too difficult to resist.

++++++++++++++100000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

[Golic55]

You were going on and on about the illegal leak, if she got it from witnesses it was not illegal. That was my point

Could have been illegal - semantics.

 

[aferrelli]

Based on what? Seriously, why do you think that when a number of victims have testified against him?

LULZ, sure boss. If you can find one example of a grown man repeatedly showering alone with children even after he was told to stop doing it I'll concede.

You act like it happens everyday, it doesn't. Adults generally don't put themselves in a position to be naked and alone with a naked child. The fact you act like it's common shows a complete lack of understanding.

This is a magical place where common sense no longer exists. Everyone is out to get poor Jerry.

Who cares if he was given warnings and kept doing it? That's not proof.

Who cares if multiple victims took the stand and spoke in detail of abuse at his hands? They're all lying.

Who cares if Sandusky can't explain his actions at all? He's just a good guy that got railroaded.

Where is the proof, that he showered with a boy after the MM inc

You need to go back to Pennlive as I have the same handle everywhere. Look for my posts there. I understand why you don't want to answer those questions. They actually make you think WTF am I doing defending the tickle monster? The man who raped kids and you defend him because you like a football team or school. It's as demented as it gets and those doing it are spitting on Joe's grave.

Notice the Paterno's aren't defending JZ or JS. They instead are using it to teach people about sick f--ks like Jerry. Some here think some magical fairy is going to come in, prove JS is innocent, and have the world bow before PSU. They are in utter denial. A ton of people screwed up for PSU and a ton of good people got caught in Jerry's wash. The fairy for Jerry is not coming, but hopefully the good people that possibly got caught up in a witch hunt get their day in court.

New handle pnny, the whole pennlive obsession crazy. Then again, you defend child molesters so you have that box already checked off.

Your name calling and attempts to categorize others is disgusting. Why are you afraid to listen to others with a different opinion than yours. The Paterno's not backing JZ
only means that they are being cautious of ALL others. Do you remember how everyone twisted Joe's words to "Joe should have done more". ????

Wouldn't you be wary of others at this point if you were that family. The Paterno family was thrown under the bus by the BOT, the entire school, the media, etc. after 60+ years of good service. Nobody came to Joe's defense immediately after this happened. Unbelievable isn't it?

Now apply the same reasoning to someone else (JS); unbelievable isn't it? But the truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

DUH, does this make any sense? The only people the Paterno's will trust right now is themselves. And understandably so.

So why would the Paterno's listen to JZ? Maybe because they have a ton of their own problems to deal with right now. But that doesn't make JZ less credible.

 

[jerot]

You and others continually insist rape. You spam everywhere you can.

Prove oral.

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Erickson promised them $ millions. That taints their testimonies. Plus we know they were told what to say. I want physical proof of even one crime.

So PSU was offering them millions ahead of the actual criminal investigation. Got it. Erickson who wasn't even in charge during the criminal investigation promised millions of dollars to victims who he didn't even know existed yet. You guys don't even understand the timeline of when Jerry was arrested and when money actually got involved. I love the fact nobody has proven one single victim has lied. They tossed dirt on them, but the only thing they got is the school paid them after the investigation. Not one single person here can prove JS is not guilty. Nobody can prove one victim lied, never mind all of them.

 

[elvis63]

I agree with you lajollalion. These people are ridiculous .

 

[ralpieE]

The Exec. Crooks are being torn up on the Face Book PSU Boards.

 

[SteveMasters]

So PSU was offering them millions ahead of the actual criminal investigation. Got it. Erickson who wasn't even in charge during the criminal investigation promised millions of dollars to victims who he didn't even know existed yet. You guys don't even understand the timeline of when Jerry was arrested and when money actually got involved. I love the fact nobody has proven one single victim has lied. They tossed dirt on them, but the only thing they got is the school paid them after the investigation. Not one single person here can prove JS is not guilty. Nobody can prove one victim lied, never mind all of them.

Penn State admitted guilt in November, 2011 when they unjustly fired Joe Paterno and Graham Spanier. Personal injury lawyers salivated at the prospect of a deep pocketed entity that admitted fault over potential allegations that could prove difficult to disclaim.

I challenge your assertion that the victims have had dirt thrown on them. In fact, I don't believe their accusations have been thoroughly vetted. I am not aware of any pre-trial depositions that any of the victims gave that was available to the defense. I believe Joe Amendola and Karl Rominger were seriously unprepared for cross examination and were very passive in challenging the victims, treating them with kid gloves.

Nobody can prove that one victim told the truth. Which victim(s) are you most confident that they are telling the truth?

 

[ralpieE]

BoT = Thieves.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Steve,

I know the timelines, but apparently some here don't or are confused to how a criminal investigation works. The victims were talking to the police well ahead of ANY PSU involvement at all which means no money was on the table. The police were going after a pedophile at that point in time, nobody else. The schools lack of leadership is the real reason you should be pissed. They allowed it to be about PSU when it wasn't. You can stop the round and round BS game of proving a damn thing. You can't prove they all lied. Hell you can't even prove one lied.

I get you blue hairs are upset Joe's name got crapped on. It sucks and it bothers me too, but it doesn't make Jerry Sandusky innocent because in some little fantasy world there is a about a 1% chance everyone lied. Every victim. Every detective. Every prosecuting attorney. Forget PSU and the BoT, but look at Jerry's case by itself. Did higher ups in the BoT, TSM, and at PSU CYA, sure they did. You know why they did, because they know that sick SOB was guilty as hell. I really hope one day before he dies Jerry fesses up, but it's rare for criminals to do so since it will kill any hope of any appeal ever. Maybe he gets some terminal disease and finally sets the blue hairs here in denial straight. Short of that you'll continue to believe in Santa.

 

[ralpieE]

Steve,

I know the timelines, but apparently some here don't or are confused to how a criminal investigation works. The victims were talking to the police well ahead of ANY PSU involvement at all which means no money was on the table. The police were going after a pedophile at that point in time, nobody else. The schools lack of leadership is the real reason you should be pissed. They allowed it to be about PSU when it wasn't. You can stop the round and round BS game of proving a damn thing. You can't prove they all lied. Hell you can't even prove one lied.

I get you blue hairs are upset Joe's name got crapped on. It sucks and it bothers me too, but it doesn't make Jerry Sandusky innocent because in some little fantasy world there is a about a 1% chance everyone lied. Every victim. Every detective. Every prosecuting attorney. Forget PSU and the BoT, but look at Jerry's case by itself. Did higher ups in the BoT, TSM, and at PSU CYA, sure they did. You know why they did, because they know that sick SOB was guilty as hell. I really hope one day before he dies Jerry fesses up, but it's rare for criminals to do so since it will kill any hope of any appeal ever. Maybe he gets some terminal disease and finally sets the blue hairs here in denial straight. Short of that you'll continue to believe in Santa.

Complete BS.

 

[indynittany]

... Not one single person here can prove JS is not guilty.....

Again, this is not where the burden of proof lies in our system. I can't prove you're not guilty either. You can't prove a negative.

What I'm asking for is proof that crimes actually occurred and there isn't any. All you have is a bunch of people who were told what to say at the trial with no proof that any sexual intent existed on Jerry's part. But once the prosecution established this so called pattern in Jerry's behavior, any act of kindness or affection on his part in his role as surrogate father was interpreted to be grooming.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Complete BS.

I would say that too I guess if I could refute a thing in the post. You can't answer any questions I ask in terms of the behavior. You can't prove anyone lied. You are basically saying every victim, cop, and prosecutor made this whole thing up to get kids paid. People they didn't know. It was all just made up in order to get a man who was so well thought of at the time. He was almost considered a saint. Hell even the Vatican can acknowledge their sinners.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Again, this is not where the burden of proof lies in our system. I can't prove you're not guilty either. You can't prove a negative.

What I'm asking for is proof that crimes actually occurred and there isn't any. All you have is a bunch of people who were told what to say at the trial with no proof that any sexual intent existed on Jerry's part. But once the prosecution established this so called pattern in Jerry's behavior, any act of kindness or affection on his part in his role as surrogate father was interpreted to be grooming.

8 victims testified. These were children at the time and it was years ago. Sorry they didn't save Jerry's seaman for you in particular indy. 10 year old kids did not have cell phones in the 90's so you could watch them blowing Jerry. Their reactions are typical of abused kids. They don't tell other adults and even more so if the rapist scares them. You need to really read up on how or why abuse goes on without people getting caught. You are pretty ignorant on this topic.

I don't have to prove a thing, Jerry's arse is in jail already as it was proven to the jury he did this by his victims. He will die there. You better come up with something better than AF is a bad man. Your poor ole victim Jerry will die in there because you and JZ simply cannot prove his innocence. It would be a shame and just think you can then throw it all in my face about how every victim, cop, and prosecutor all lied. They were bored and just wanted to do something so they made all of this stuff up.