2021 Olympic Trials Results and discussion thread
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Moore is looking tough. Little smaller than most of these guys. Quick and slick. Pushing the pace. Finishing shots. Looks great
Still saying I think he gives Snyder problems. Snyder’s gotten so big and he’s gotten slower.
Hate it that Cox is out tho. I think he definitely beats Snyder but Moore can as well.
Still saying I think he gives Snyder problems. Snyder’s gotten so big and he’s gotten slower.
Hate it that Cox is out tho. I think he definitely beats Snyder but Moore can as well.
He’ll have to beat the same guys. Pretty sure both burroughs and Dake gave said they’re sticking around until 2024. It’ll be tough.
There was a beginning? From my seat, all I saw was an ending...
I agree. I think they’re both our best chances at gold medals. That’s why I wanted Spencer, yianni, Dake, DT, Cox, and Gable.
But Bo is crazy entertaining. I wish he was sticking around for another cycle. I think he could definitely win gold in three years.
So you wouldn’t watch if there wasn’t any penn state guys in it? Never had that luxury lol. My school isn’t putting anyone in either haha
True.True. Thankfully, World Champ caliber can me 3rd best in the US at some weights!
Can somebody who knows how to use the innerwebs search for how many times "XXX is going to beat Jordan Burroughs at the trials this year" has been posted since 2014?
Yes. And he beat David Taylor often.
Love him when he's DakeBombing foreigners though.
The real story today is that NLWC lost like a half dozen more matches than HWC. Gonna be hard catching up ...
I hope DT and Dake both win gold then go immediately into coaching. I can’t imagine there are no schools that would roll the dice on a couple Olympic gold medalists.
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You can always practice downloading an app to stream Mat 3 on a device while watching Mat 2 on your TV.
It could save you three dozen irrational screaming hate posts in the future.
Just my opinion.
I have been saying for a year, Braxton is the guy who will beat Ferrari next year. I am not convinced Ferrari will go heavy until his Jr yr.
Stop picking on Curtis. He’s still sorting through that whole VHF-UHF thing.
Question:
How long until Vodka + IronBird start a thread yet saying Cael used NLWC / BWI slush fund cash to pay off USA Wrestling
to boot JDen Cox ?
How long until Vodka + IronBird start a thread yet saying Cael used NLWC / BWI slush fund cash to pay off USA Wrestling
to boot JDen Cox ?
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No shit.
25% of this thread is Curtis screaming at the rabbit ears on his black & white TV.
25% is a little high but my bad. The tv matches were, mostly, at least IMO were poorly chosen. Plus like I said internet where I’m at in the world just doesn’t exist to watch streams lol.
Usually not this talkative tho...I may have been sneaking drinks from the Fix dad’s bottle.
Just saw the Fix Vito match. It’s amazing how much smaller Fix was compared to NCAA’s. That was insane. Honestly Vito was the bigger guy.
Fix just seconds away from winning. Crazy awesome match.
Don’t know how Vito is going to deal with Gilman’s push outs but if he gets up big it might not matter.
Thought DT looked bigger than he usually does as well. I’m hoping the 2018 version of DT is still in there but I don’t know. Bo has to forget the mentor/buddy thing and go get his. No friends on the mat...or field or court for that matter lol.
Fix just seconds away from winning. Crazy awesome match.
Don’t know how Vito is going to deal with Gilman’s push outs but if he gets up big it might not matter.
Thought DT looked bigger than he usually does as well. I’m hoping the 2018 version of DT is still in there but I don’t know. Bo has to forget the mentor/buddy thing and go get his. No friends on the mat...or field or court for that matter lol.
I was in disbelief as I watched the McKenna/Retherford match. I gave McKenna about a 30% chance at best, and I am a big fan of his. I just re-watched the match and here are my match notes:
*disclaimer: I don't possess the most technical knowledge, esp. in freestyle, so may be describing some positions incorrectly*
P1:
- whistle blows
- lots of feints and some hand fighting from both guys the first 15 seconds or so
- McKenna changes levels and gets real low, catches Zain's left leg below the knee with a very well-timed shot as Zain is taking a step back with his right leg. McKenna is able to get to the left ankle off this shot and converts the takedown after a short scramble. McKenna works for a gut wrench for about 20 seconds but no cigar, wrestlers are brought to their feet
-about a minute in, the ref stops the action and tells Zain something. can't tell if it's for hands to the face or to be more active. lots of feints and some hand fighting from both guys
- Zain takes a really nice low single. He finds both his hands around McKenna's left ankle. McKenna whizzers, gets his hips out in front, wraps Zain's chest and gets out. Excellent display of defense. I thought Zain would finish that for sure. No takedown.
- McKenna's feints are really getting Zain to react. McKenna takes a slick low single/ankle pick to Zain's right ankle and gets a great grab on it. brings zain to his butt. Excellent defense by Zain as he gets his hips out. No takedown.
- another low shot by McKenna to the right ankle again. Zain stuffs it immediately this time. Nice defense. Stalemate.
- Zain takes a sloppy shot, McKenna completely side steps it
- McKenna gets to that low single on Zain's right side and gets the right ankle AGAIN with just a few seconds to go. Zain defends and McKenna can't finish. Period over.
P1 thoughts: McKenna leads 2-0, and he's looking as slick as I've ever seen him. Zain seems to have no size advantage and McKenna looks to have negated a strength advantage with his dynamic ability. Zain controls the center of the mat with his strength, but he's reacting to all of McKenna's feints and too late on Mckenna's shots. As a result, McKennna is getting off very, very clean shots.. Excellent defense from both wrestlers.
P2:
- Zain starts very aggressive, but doesn't take any shots. A lot of hard hand fighting and pushing from Zain
- about 40 seconds in, Zain gets an excellent low single to McKenna's left ankle. gets both his hands on that ankle again like he did in the first period. It's a scramble. He gets behind McKenna, but Mckenna whips over his right leg above Zain's head and finds a tight waist of sorts. McKenna ROLLS Zain over-- McKenna appears to give up 2 but also exposes Zain for 2. Retherford finds himself on top in par terre. McKenna leads 4-3. Nothing, so the ref stands them up
- Zain gets McKenna out of position and finds that left ankle AGAIN. the scramble is nearly deja vu, but this time McKenna doesn't give up 2 as he rolls/exposes Zain over. Stalemate is called. McKenna up 6-3. Zain's corner challenges. Challenge successful, Zain is awarded 2. McKenna leads 6-5. 45 seconds to go
- Zain knows time is short; McKenna is playing defense again. Zain takes 2 sloppy shots and nothing. A faint from Zain gets McKenna to slip near the edge of the mat. Zain bull rushes McKenna as Mckenna gets to his knees. Zain pinches McKenna's head, but McKenna controls Zain's right elbow and DUMPS Zain to the side. McKenna slides around and spins Zain around and down to his butt. That's 2 TD for McKenna. McKenna 8-5. Time expires.
P2 thoughts: Holy shit. The two nearly identical scrambles killed nearly two minutes. Zain took all the shots this period--but he had to as he trailed the entire period. Excellent defense by McKenna in the scramble situations. Pretty unbelievable that Zain didn't finish clean as he was in very deep a couple times, and I've never known McKenna to be this good of a scrambler.
Overall thoughts. Wow. just wow. McKenna completely elevated his game in all positions, and especially in scrambles. He was simply slicker than Zain in the first period. He brought the perfect game plan for the second period and executed it as he scored 6 points off of Zain's 3 shots.
Hats off to Zain. I thought his strength and positioning would negate McKenna's offense, but McKenna proved me wrong. McKenna was the more dynamic wrestler, and that seemed to make all the difference.
*disclaimer: I don't possess the most technical knowledge, esp. in freestyle, so may be describing some positions incorrectly*
P1:
- whistle blows
- lots of feints and some hand fighting from both guys the first 15 seconds or so
- McKenna changes levels and gets real low, catches Zain's left leg below the knee with a very well-timed shot as Zain is taking a step back with his right leg. McKenna is able to get to the left ankle off this shot and converts the takedown after a short scramble. McKenna works for a gut wrench for about 20 seconds but no cigar, wrestlers are brought to their feet
-about a minute in, the ref stops the action and tells Zain something. can't tell if it's for hands to the face or to be more active. lots of feints and some hand fighting from both guys
- Zain takes a really nice low single. He finds both his hands around McKenna's left ankle. McKenna whizzers, gets his hips out in front, wraps Zain's chest and gets out. Excellent display of defense. I thought Zain would finish that for sure. No takedown.
- McKenna's feints are really getting Zain to react. McKenna takes a slick low single/ankle pick to Zain's right ankle and gets a great grab on it. brings zain to his butt. Excellent defense by Zain as he gets his hips out. No takedown.
- another low shot by McKenna to the right ankle again. Zain stuffs it immediately this time. Nice defense. Stalemate.
- Zain takes a sloppy shot, McKenna completely side steps it
- McKenna gets to that low single on Zain's right side and gets the right ankle AGAIN with just a few seconds to go. Zain defends and McKenna can't finish. Period over.
P1 thoughts: McKenna leads 2-0, and he's looking as slick as I've ever seen him. Zain seems to have no size advantage and McKenna looks to have negated a strength advantage with his dynamic ability. Zain controls the center of the mat with his strength, but he's reacting to all of McKenna's feints and too late on Mckenna's shots. As a result, McKennna is getting off very, very clean shots.. Excellent defense from both wrestlers.
P2:
- Zain starts very aggressive, but doesn't take any shots. A lot of hard hand fighting and pushing from Zain
- about 40 seconds in, Zain gets an excellent low single to McKenna's left ankle. gets both his hands on that ankle again like he did in the first period. It's a scramble. He gets behind McKenna, but Mckenna whips over his right leg above Zain's head and finds a tight waist of sorts. McKenna ROLLS Zain over-- McKenna appears to give up 2 but also exposes Zain for 2. Retherford finds himself on top in par terre. McKenna leads 4-3. Nothing, so the ref stands them up
- Zain gets McKenna out of position and finds that left ankle AGAIN. the scramble is nearly deja vu, but this time McKenna doesn't give up 2 as he rolls/exposes Zain over. Stalemate is called. McKenna up 6-3. Zain's corner challenges. Challenge successful, Zain is awarded 2. McKenna leads 6-5. 45 seconds to go
- Zain knows time is short; McKenna is playing defense again. Zain takes 2 sloppy shots and nothing. A faint from Zain gets McKenna to slip near the edge of the mat. Zain bull rushes McKenna as Mckenna gets to his knees. Zain pinches McKenna's head, but McKenna controls Zain's right elbow and DUMPS Zain to the side. McKenna slides around and spins Zain around and down to his butt. That's 2 TD for McKenna. McKenna 8-5. Time expires.
P2 thoughts: Holy shit. The two nearly identical scrambles killed nearly two minutes. Zain took all the shots this period--but he had to as he trailed the entire period. Excellent defense by McKenna in the scramble situations. Pretty unbelievable that Zain didn't finish clean as he was in very deep a couple times, and I've never known McKenna to be this good of a scrambler.
Overall thoughts. Wow. just wow. McKenna completely elevated his game in all positions, and especially in scrambles. He was simply slicker than Zain in the first period. He brought the perfect game plan for the second period and executed it as he scored 6 points off of Zain's 3 shots.
Hats off to Zain. I thought his strength and positioning would negate McKenna's offense, but McKenna proved me wrong. McKenna was the more dynamic wrestler, and that seemed to make all the difference.
Wasn't quite the same as having Jeff on the commentary. You could tell that Mirikitani had a bias toward Zahid.
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Lots of bouts available on YouTube. Just watched Zain/McKenna. At 0:16 in the second McKenna steps out which could have tied the score at 6 if called. It was so fast you really need to watch in slo-mo to catch it.
I didn’t catch that while watching live. I would have to assume that McKenna would have been called grounded at that point though. So I don’t think Zain would have gotten the step out point even if the ref saw it.
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