2024 Big Ten Tournament match, PBP, and discussion thread

[Ja1339]

Byers goes ballistic again!

Braeden Davis vs Patrick McKee(Minnesota) - 125 LBS Finals Full Match, with the Jeff Byers Call

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Listening to Byers just absolutely never gets old.

 

[Kale_yeah]

I think Hamiti was pinned. Rivera was a shade late getting there. Rivera got down to look in one position, then they shifted and blocked his view.

Oh his was pinned early in exchange.

 

[BOSCO2]

Wow that's so weird that Gibbons said "anticipated the roll through" and "controlled breathing" along with "too much pace", in reference to Mesenbrink.

I could have sworn that Hamiti just totally dominated 90 percent of the match and then decided to"roll around", and THAT was why he lost.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hamiti is out for Nationals. He was limping pretty bad after the match and his left knee buckled as he walked away from the mat. Got a little help staying on his feet by the coaches.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

The stall call on Haines didn’t make any more sense watching it on DVR than it did watching it live. Really unbelievable. Wonder which mat the ref was watching.

Didn't think that sprawling to avoid or defend a shot from the opponent (which is what Haines did when he got hit with the warning) is stalling. Not at all the same as backing up to avoid engagement.

 

[Aardvark86]

Didn't think that sprawling to avoid or defend a shot from the opponent (which is Haines did when he got hit with the warning) is stalling. Not at all the same as backing up to avoid engagement.

Yep. Levi is the Apple Country Assassin

 

[nerfstate]

Allyson Schwab is one of the good ones.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Allyson Schwab is one of the good ones.

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Yup - the antithesis of the uber annoying Kaille Grey when it comes to wrestling coach spouses

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Per Cael directly

"“He wanted to wrestle the whole tournament and was planning on wrestling the tournament. It is really tough for him. He’s having a hard time about this. He’d wrestle if both of his legs were hurt, He’s just so competitive...He’s just so competitive. He’s pretty upset, but there’s just no reason, when he meets the criteria to get an at-large (bid), to put himself in a position to set himself back.

He’s not happy, with me, but that’s why he’s Carter Starocci.”

 

[nerfstate]

Yup - the antithesis of the uber annoying Kaille Grey when it comes to wrestling coach spouses

Oops, thought I posted that in the Big 12 thread, but I guess I'll leave it here as a non-sequitur.

 

[OzarkLion]

That's a thing that takes, quite literally, years to develop. Just like no one steps onto the 400m oval and starts knocking out 57 second laps en route to a 3:48 mile, it takes a long, long time to build a motor like Mesenbrink's that can just fire off attacks and motion like that for 7 minutes. Many never will be able to, simply because their genetic limitations (plus weight cut) don't allow it.

Very impressive.

Pre-match meal to try to match MM's pace!

 

[BOSCO2]

my high school head coach never ask is anyone was healthy if we had a match and you could walk you were wrestling no one complained but then that was back in the day!

That's when a concussion was just "getting your bell rung". Get the hell back in there!!

 

[PSU Yinzer]

Yeah, although Hamiti gave up a takedown in the last few seconds of the 2nd period that may have indicated he was getting low on gas.

Agree. It’s funny how Tim Johnson was focusing on MM breathing heavy and being tired. He dropped a few comments during the bout…. things changed quickly as most of us expected, in regards to a momentum shift.

 

[BOSCO2]

Yes, the coaches bought time for Suriano to see if he could go by NCAAs, because Suriano thought he could. and he had earned that opportunity. Turns out he couldn’t go. There is no reason to believe that Carter won’t be healthy enough to wrestle in 2 weeks

At that time we didn't have a backup 125 that could do anything anyway.

 

[vhsalum]

I thought Kennedy was a weird hire... but boy has he paid off. Davis a big ten champ as a true frosh? Wow.

 

[PSU210]

I thought Kennedy was a weird hire... but boy has he paid off. Davis a big ten champ as a true frosh? Wow.

 

[Lionscrebs]

my high school head coach never ask is anyone was healthy if we had a match and you could walk you were wrestling no one complained but then that was back in the day!

That was then, this is now. Nowadays you'll have a kids parents right up your a$$. I saw it many times coaching, or should I say felt it. We live in different times my friend. My old coach used to beat the hell out of us, and my parents would say, GOOD FOR YA!! Nowadays, they just wanna sue ya, or the school or both. We Are.....

 

[PAgeologist]

Per Cael directly

"“He wanted to wrestle the whole tournament and was planning on wrestling the tournament. It is really tough for him. He’s having a hard time about this. He’d wrestle if both of his legs were hurt, He’s just so competitive...He’s just so competitive. He’s pretty upset, but there’s just no reason, when he meets the criteria to get an at-large (bid), to put himself in a position to set himself back.

He’s not happy, with me, but that’s why he’s Carter Starocci.”

So, that pretty much says exactly what most have been thinking. Nothing more.

 

[victorNit1]

I just watched the replay of Bernie's match-why all the empty seats??

 

[victorNit1]

Are there any videos available showing Nagao and Kasak's third place matches?

 

[Ski]

I just watched the replay of Bernie's match-why all the empty seats??

My guess -- Some just wanted to beat the traffic out and others were from teams that didn't have any wrestlers left in the tournament at that point and they booked.

 

[victorNit1]

My guess -- Some just wanted to beat the traffic out and others were from teams that didn't have any wrestlers left in the tournament at that point and they booked.

Pause at the very start of the match-entire empty sections in the background- maybe blocked off for some reason??

 

[Dogwelder]

Per Cael directly

"“He wanted to wrestle the whole tournament and was planning on …

That’s Cael. I’m not going to decide until I hear psubiomed’s rebuttal. 😀

 

[nakedirishman]

Pause at the very start of the match-entire empty sections in the background- maybe blocked off for some reason??

Those were seats that MD apparently saved for wrestlers during the tournament. If my memory serves me correctly, they were used during the semi-finals by a few but mainly empty the rest of the tournament.

 

[82bordeaux]

I just watched the replay of Bernie's match-why all the empty seats??

It was the Iowa section.

 

[a_mshaffer]

My guess -- Some just wanted to beat the traffic out and others were from teams that didn't have any wrestlers left in the tournament at that point and they booked.

a lot left after Brooks...

 

[railbirrd]

Not sure the issue is "was he healthy or wasn't he"? He clearly was ready to go and appeared to have been pulled at the last minute. Was that Cael, Medical, or PSU Admin? I'm guessing that Cael would have made the call a lot earlier than that...

Whoever Carter would have faced this past weekend surely would have gone out of their way to target his R leg/knee to take him out (ie, beat him). It's possible that was Cael's concern.

 

[AndEEss]

Are there any videos available showing Nagao and Kasak's third place matches?

 

[Pinfan]

You make it sound like they held him out out of spite. If he was really healthy enough to wrestle they'd have let him, they had to see something that made them uncomfortable.

Maybe the Erie busload was there to see Van Dee? Actually though, unless they bought their
Big tickets before the Edinboro match, the Erie/Carter fans would have had a pretty good idea he wouldn't wrestle.

 

[victorNit1]

It was the Iowa section.

Great answer!!!

 

[victorNit1]

a lot left after Brooks...

this was before Brooks match

 

[railbirrd]

Agree. It’s funny how Tim Johnson was focusing on MM breathing heavy and being tired. He dropped a few comments during the bout…. things changed quickly as most of us expected, in regards to a momentum shift.

question about that: after MM was taken down early on, he took the down position and was breathing hard open-mouthed. I don't think that was heavy breathing per se, but a training tool to consciously regulate his energy/oxygen. Is that right?

 

[Psubiomed]

question about that: after MM was taken down early on, he took the down position and was breathing hard open-mouthed. I don't think that was heavy breathing per se, but a training tool to consciously regulate his energy/oxygen. Is that right?

Askren today on Mitchell: "Gibbons is a fool, Mitchell LIVES in deep waters, he lives in a house under the sea"

 

[Dogwelder]

question about that: after MM was taken down early on, he took the down position and was breathing hard open-mouthed. I don't think that was heavy breathing per se, but a training tool to consciously regulate his energy/oxygen. Is that right?

Dave Schultz was not too good to learn from a high schooler (Kolat). Mitchell Mesenbrink is not too good to learn from childbirth class. 🫄

 

[PSUbluTX]

question about that: after MM was taken down early on, he took the down position and was breathing hard open-mouthed. I don't think that was heavy breathing per se, but a training tool to consciously regulate his energy/oxygen. Is that right?

I think that’s right, and he may have even mentioned that in one of his post match interviews. He seems like a very deliberate and cerebral tactician.

 

[victorNit1]

It was the Iowa section.

Great answer!!!

 

[Psubiomed]

Also Askren on Mitchell today: "Even IF Hamiti doesn't go to his back, Mitchell would have taken him down at least 2 or 3 more times in the last minute. And Hamiti didn't roll on his back, Mitchell sent him there."

This is devastating news to GIA of course, who obviously was wrong.

 

[RandyL]

I saw that heavy breathing especially while in down position to begin the 2nd period and thought he looked like was hyper-ventilating, like he couldnt get his breath. Have to admit I thought he was doomed at that point.
He clearly was more tired than we have ever seen him. Tho he kept coming his shots were never crisp after the first. But they did keep coming,

 

[Psubiomed]

I saw that heavy breathing especially while in down position to begin the 2nd period and thought he looked like was hyper-ventilating, like he couldnt get his breath. Have to admit I thought he was doomed at that point.
He clearly was more tired than we have ever seen him. Tho he kept coming his shots were never crisp after the first. But they did keep coming,

Watch Askren in FRL today. Just ff to the place where he explains it.

 

[Aardvark86]

Mongoose's activity level always reminds me of Matt Hendricks taking a penalty shot...

 

[82bordeaux]

Tho he kept coming his shots were never crisp after the first. But they did keep coming,

His shots were crisper than Hamiti’s defense. 😉