2024 Big Ten Tournament match, PBP, and discussion thread
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NCAA or https://www.themat.com/news/2023/de...trials-qualifier-set-for-fairfax-va-april-6-7 are the last two options for qualifying.
I will pay the Ferrari’s asking price to attend Iowa if MM would walk out to this soundtrack Saturday night in KC
I am not talking about concussion protocol. THat should follow the accepted protocol that I. have discussed in the past . I am talking about the process of deciding when athletes are cleared to compete following a musculoskeletal injury that is not a life or limb threatening condition.
In professional sports the team has the final say. In high school sports the athlete and their parents have more say and the coach has less say. In college, especially with athletes who are on scholarship, the team has less say than in the pros and more than in high school. In addition to the medical information, there are other considerations, even though I think the medical people should have the last say.
In cases where there is clear evidence that participation is going to hurt the athlete, the medical input is usually sufficient. In less clear cut cases, where the likelihood of significant additional injury is less, there is more input from the athlete and coaches. Whether we like it or not, there are aspects of liability, gains to the school both in money and prestige, gains to the athlete (gaining or losing position in pro drafts for example), athletes desire to compete even with chance of further injury. These all go into the decision, and frequently do not involve the medical people other than to give their initial opinion.
We all know that there have been wrestlers competing with a variety of injuries, some of which require surgery to correct. I doubt that in all those cases the medical people have said that they recommend the athletes participate.
In professional sports the team has the final say. In high school sports the athlete and their parents have more say and the coach has less say. In college, especially with athletes who are on scholarship, the team has less say than in the pros and more than in high school. In addition to the medical information, there are other considerations, even though I think the medical people should have the last say.
In cases where there is clear evidence that participation is going to hurt the athlete, the medical input is usually sufficient. In less clear cut cases, where the likelihood of significant additional injury is less, there is more input from the athlete and coaches. Whether we like it or not, there are aspects of liability, gains to the school both in money and prestige, gains to the athlete (gaining or losing position in pro drafts for example), athletes desire to compete even with chance of further injury. These all go into the decision, and frequently do not involve the medical people other than to give their initial opinion.
We all know that there have been wrestlers competing with a variety of injuries, some of which require surgery to correct. I doubt that in all those cases the medical people have said that they recommend the athletes participate.
Ayala vs Davis for seeding
H2H Ayala 25
RPI Ayala 10
Coaches Rank Ayala 10
Conference placement Davis 15
Win % Davis 10
Results against common TBD
Quality wins TBD
Not saying Ayala will be seeded higher but it will be close.
Again, in NCAA Sports, the Team Physician must clear the athlete - and the Team Physician does not answer to the coach.
Ayala should be the 1 seed IMO
The stall call on Haines didn’t make any more sense watching it on DVR than it did watching it live. Really unbelievable. Wonder which mat the ref was watching.
Ayala lost twice to the guy Davis is 2-0 against Drake will be looking at a 3-6 seed.
Just because they are cleared doesn't mean the coach is required to let them compete. If you think the docs don't come under pressure about clearing athletes you are mistaken.
I believe that there was a big lawsuit at Penn State over docs being fired and replaced, based mostly on how athletes were cleared/treated.
I believe that there was a big lawsuit at Penn State over docs being fired and replaced, based mostly on how athletes were cleared/treated.
You predict he will have a hard time against a 2 time returning national champion? Riveting insight! lol just busting your balls but of course KOT is going to be really hard
Joke about how the Number 1 at 125 this year has been the kiss of death
Do you honestly believe anyone expected you to "Leave it alone" Las Vegas wouldn't even give odds on that happening
Common opponents should go to Davis.
DeAugustino 2-0 against Ayala. 0-2 against Davis
Kaylor 1-0 against Ayala. 0-1 against Davis
Caleb Smith 0-1 against Ayala. 1-0 against Davis.
McKee 0-2 against Ayala. 0-1 against Davis.
Both beat Peterson and Barnett as well.
Ayala will stay ahead in RPI and if he stays ahead in coaches he will be at 45 points. Davis will have win %, common opponent and conference finish for a total of 35.
Quality wins can be split 20/0, 15/5, or 10/10.
I can see that -- not sure how Ayala stays ahead in the Coaches' Poll, though that's not always predictable.
But will Ayala beat enough of the other guys in the seeding simulation, who he doesn't have H2H over?
Dr. Scott Lynch, 1984 NCAA 134 pound champion. He claims that he was wrongfully demoted.
Fired Penn State football doctor who clashed with Franklin fights for day in court
Dr. Scott Lynch’s 4-year legal odyssey in his wrongful dismissal case is one step away from a Dauphin County jury.
After seeing that interview, I am convinced he will be a great coach someday, if he chooses that path.
Wow.....finally a post where you didn't swear insults at others. There might be hope for you.
Very true. 125 will be nuts for seeding and people will be bitching no matter what. 😃😃 I just hope DeAugustino is opposite Ayala.
Best line of the night was when Sparks noted Lewan had a pin in the earlier round. Johnson or Gibbons said
"Fall? Lewan?"
lol.
His post was actually edited to remove swearing insults at others.Wow.....finally a post where you didn't swear insults at others. There might be hope for you.
I would question this statement. Team physicians dictate concussion returns. Currently an ex football team doctor is suing James Franklin and Penn State for not following proper procedure.
I think Cael looked at the big picture and Carter was living for the moment.
I believe if this past weekend was NCAAs Carter wrestles and Cael would of had no issue with that.
if Cael told him he was wrestling then changed his mind well that's just wrong on Caels part!
I was not discussing concussion protocols.
I have discussed that in past, including the commonly used protocols, and those are in the hands of the medical people. I did comment that I didn't think they were handled correctly in some situations, but it had nothing to do with the coaches. I just didn't think the medical personnel did the appropriate evaluation.
I have discussed that in past, including the commonly used protocols, and those are in the hands of the medical people. I did comment that I didn't think they were handled correctly in some situations, but it had nothing to do with the coaches. I just didn't think the medical personnel did the appropriate evaluation.
Not really. Coaches change minds all the time.
You all are really taking this too seriously. A guy got his feelings hurt and is pouting. Whether he comes back or doesn’t come back only impacts him from here on out.
Davis is PSU’s first conference champ at 125 since Jeremy Hunter in 1999.
I agree with your assessment. Furthermore, as the emotions of the moment subside and his teammates talk with him, he will realize that his judgment was impaired by emotion if he in fact said he was done wrestling at PSU.
I predict things will blow over in the next few days. If not, he will regret ending his career on this note.
Amazing that NCAA champ/3x finalist Nico never won B10s.
Even if the team doc cleared Carter, Cael still has ultimate say. They can not over rule each other.
Ultimately this is a big picture issue. A BIG title is nice, but 4X NCAA champ is legendary.
Here’s what you guys have been waiting for! Byers going nuts! Love it!
Mitchell Mesenbrink vs Dean Hamiti(Wisconsin) - 165 LBS Full Match, with the Jeff Byers Call
Mitchell Mesenbrink vs Dean Hamiti(Wisconsin) - 165 LBS Full Match, with the Jeff Byers Call
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