Also, the Big Ten title means nothing. The whole point of the tournament is to figure out who the 15-33 seeds will be. Carter will either get the #3 or #4 seed which means he'll be wrestling a top-4 guy in the semis just like he would be if he wrestled. AB did it last year and Carter will have it just as easy.
2024 Big Ten Tournament match, PBP, and discussion thread
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There was another injury situation that prompted that, right? Guy MFF twice, got a bid, and didnt wrestle? So they ruled you have to compete at conference championships but left the :01 loophole.
Yes he does. And I think his future is even brighter in freestyle than folk so we have years and years of him. That's just crazy.
I made my point and that's about Terrell. If Carter goes then fantastic, if not, my point stands.
Cooper Flynn lost his ACC final to Jakob Camacho, 4-2.
That should give Davis the 2 seed at NCAAs, behind Lehigh's Stanich.
That should give Davis the 2 seed at NCAAs, behind Lehigh's Stanich.
I was thinking the same thing. Unless he's going right to MMA he pretty much has to show up for Nationals and win it.
By his own account, he was never really a full-size 197. Have read several statements attributed to him to the effect he weighed in the high 180's to low 190's his last year in that weight class, and that he believes 184 is his most natural wrestling weight.
If there's one thing I wouldn't want to be at NCAAs it's the #1 or #2 seed at 125.
At one Point cael walked by Dan and pùt his hand on his shoulder. Hmm...
Disagree. You get 31, then 16/17, and by the time you get to quarters, who knows?
David Taylor is going to have his hands full. Taylor likes to counter and Brooks will give him that opportunity.
I hear you but I'm not so sure a #2 seed will be a favorite against a 16/17 guy. Hell, the #1 guy probably wouldn't be favored in some HS tournaments.
Isn’t deliberating putting a foot or hand off the mat for a fresh start supposed to be stalling or a violation? Cause it happens a ton.
I get the sentiment but considering how many guys are capable of beating each other, give me the easiest possible first 2 matches while they are busy facing each other.
The only hitch is if Figueroa ends up 15 or 18 -- which is threading a needle and especially unlikely if Figs beats Kaylor in the Pac 12 final tonight.
I think Babyfaces toughest style match ups aren't falling that far down. We will see.
Bring it like he did this weekend and let it fly. It's March and it's Penn freaking State
So why would hundreds of his supporters show up expecting him to wrestle..... only to be treated to two Forfeits??? Why would Carter be pissed if he was told this was going to be the way it was??? Why would Carter leave College Park and not be there for the remainder of Tournament and trophy presentation??? Given how this has played out, it's rather ridiculous to claim that Carter was not led to believe he would be allowed to compete.
If anything the PSU medical staff spoke to Cael and coaches about competing over the 2 days and the risk injury. I truly think Cael said no. Maybe that should have been discussed and determined by Thursday.
No way did administration get involved.
Well that's wrong - the Official and opponent are notified prior to handshake that PSU's wrestler is Forfeiting. You're full of shit that Carter could still have made his own decision and wrestled - you don't know what you're talking about. Once a team puts in a Fofeit prior to match start, the wrestler doesn't have the authority to reverse it.
Exactly. It would probably be way better for our Olympic team had Spencer Lee been stopped from his “excuses are for wusses” tour and allowed to fully heal - but he called the shots.
Sometimes the adults have to step in
We should fire Cael and hire a Brands brother. Let the athletes run the show like it seems in Iowa...
I think Davis has a legit claim to the #1 seed. Stanich's two losses (Figs and Spratley) are much worse than Davis' (Ayala and Smith).
Hi. This is Bobby Telford from the Iowa University of Pennsylvania State.
It will be a blemish on the University - no way someone gets this pissed-off unless they believe they were intentionally misled. Apparently several hundred supporters from Erie showed up at College Park for B1Gs (got the tickets, lodging, etc....) only to be treated to two MFFs he knew he was MFFing and told them all to come check it out [insert eyeroll].
This is one way, and if he leaves the team as some suggest, he cannot win NCAA's.
Losses aren't part of the NCAA seeding criteria.
Stanich will be ahead of Davis in both Coaches' Rank and RPI. Davis wins Win %. They're tied in Conference Placement, H2H, and Common Opponents.
That leaves Quality Wins -- Davis might surpass Stanich here.
For those that want to hear Byers call of the Messenbrink match, go here https://gopsusports.com/watch/?Archive=9185&type=Archive and advance to 1:54:10.
Your, and the OP's, notion that Cael makes the final determination is utter nonsense - Cael is largely in the same position as Carter, it matters not whether he wants him to go or not. The Team Physician does not report to the any of the Coaches, or AD for that matter. You are full of shit in your belief he does. Just as you are full of shit in your notion that CS doesn't believe he was intentionally misled to his own embarrassment.
If you think the team physicians really have the last word you are kidding yourself. Their opinions are taken into consideration, and the various odds of further injury, etc are considered. They don't have the last word, even though they should.
I'm pretty sure tickets for the tournament sold out some time ago. It's likely a bunch of his friends and family bought tickets a long time ago and still went because they thought he'd go.
They do have the last word your full of shit - and they don't report to anyone in the Athletic Department. You don't understand Concussion Protocol very well if you really believe the final word is with the coach - it isn't. I'm not going to argue with you, you're wrong - don't know what you're talking about.
you are full of shit if you believe the team physician couldn't have said CS was a go, but Cael said no reason to risk it, let's focus on the big prize
I should have just stopped after the first 5 words of this post
Not the case - they may have already had tickets, but Carter told his own family he was wrestling. Carter believed he was wrestling - you really think he is this pissed-off without believing he was significantly misled?
Just a thought, but maybe Big Tens could rotate between MD, Rutgers and PSU (hosting) only.
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