2024 Big Ten Tournament match, PBP, and discussion thread
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BTN put all the finals up on youtube.
They didn't take the time to overlay Byers though.
They didn't take the time to overlay Byers though.
I think Hamiti was pinned. Rivera was a shade late getting there. Rivera got down to look in one position, then they shifted and blocked his view.
That was awesome. Mitchell put up 36 points against 2 of the top 165s on back to back matches, and gets a ‘How do you do’ from Byers. 🥳
I absolutely love his attitude! What a great mindset!
I sure hope so. But everyone isn’t, and there are some fans who think there is some greater injustice in this thread.
Hard to believe this thread regarding Carter is still going. It's up to the athlete? That's laughable. Who's running the program now? The athletes? No. Cael has the final word. Some of y'all act like coaches don't sit players.
IMO, no way in hell does Carter walk away. If he does, it might be the worst decision I've ever seen an athlete make. However, it's his decision. It will also change how people view him in the wrestling and PSU world forever.
IMO, no way in hell does Carter walk away. If he does, it might be the worst decision I've ever seen an athlete make. However, it's his decision. It will also change how people view him in the wrestling and PSU world forever.
Exactly right. There is zero upside to Carter's current stance, both short term and long term. It's a decision I might have made at 21 too in the heat of the moment so I cut some slack, and hopefully Cael will too. That isn't a given though. Cael must retain control while negotiating with Carter. Carter is going to need to bend here, and not the other way around.
I've seen it three times now and it's remarkable how good Hamiti looked early (through 2) and how thoroughly broken he was after the final takedown and back points. Aside from the fact that it's so fun for the PSU fans, that was really a big training moment for Mesenbrink as well.
Yeah, although Hamiti gave up a takedown in the last few seconds of the 2nd period that may have indicated he was getting low on gas.
My thought as well. He gave up that TD way too easy and without a lot of fight for being so close to the end of the period. His last burst of energy was used on the reversal and then he was cooked.
and….he can’t train into that kind of pace in 10 days. None of them can. Many tried vs Nolf and Taylor. Some even bragged they could.
I think it's well known by now that pace is a big issue when wrestling MM. Guys like KOT are going to want to get into hand fighting and tieups to drain the clock. Only the very best can actually succeed in doing that, and they also have to be great defensively. Basically they need to change their name to Kyle Dake.
Great hearing this kid talk about action and excitement. This dude has an awesome mindset and articulates incredibly well.
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Still would have been 11-10 Hamiti (12-10 after MM would have cut him) with MM getting the last 2 TDs (kinda 3 if you count the reversal) in relatively quick fashion with over a minute left.
Hamiti blew the match when he gave up an escape and a TD with under 15 seconds to go in the 2nd. Then in the 3rd, he was done. He MAY have been able to hold on if he was up 9-3 going into that period. At 9-6, it was just a matter of time.
I'm with Cael. nice job balancing team goals and individual goals. Winning the BIGS was never in doubt. Carter's points weren't needed, rest your horse for the big show. Who in the 174 bracket did he have to man up too. To Carter, go wrestle in KC and get your forth.
The only thing that would throw a kink in things would be if Carter was a healthy scratch in KC. that would get things going on this board.
The only thing that would throw a kink in things would be if Carter was a healthy scratch in KC. that would get things going on this board.
My son was getting worried as the second period clock ticked. I told him to be patient because Hamiti couldn’t keep MM’s pace the whole match. I should remind my boy dear old dad is right every once in a while. 🤔 😉
That's a thing that takes, quite literally, years to develop. Just like no one steps onto the 400m oval and starts knocking out 57 second laps en route to a 3:48 mile, it takes a long, long time to build a motor like Mesenbrink's that can just fire off attacks and motion like that for 7 minutes. Many never will be able to, simply because their genetic limitations (plus weight cut) don't allow it.
Very impressive.
Couple of thoughts:
- strange not seeing Bonnie.. did anyone? Hope she is well.
- MM - I called it with the backpoints (whoever giveths will lose)
- Davis is a lot of fun. Interview was OK... he just doesn't 'care'
- I think a lot of our guys are 60-40 or 70-30 favored to win with the best in the country. Obviously the best wrestler in the bldg, Brooks is a 'next question'.
- I like revenge matches - Tyler's was very enjoyable over Iowa.
- When was the last time Iowa did not finish in the top 3?
- I thought we got 'burned' by really slick moves against Beau and Bernie. Hat's off!
- UMD was filled by PSU fans
- I'm too old for 2nd level viewing
- Broken record but cannot stand the inconsistencies of stalling being called. I saw it apply to fleeing the mat - in a hold or being held, push-outs, pull-outs, top, bottom, etc. Just crazy. Same behavior in the 1st period doesn't warrant a call but the 3rd does. I think the ref's need to not track the score (I know they aren't supposed to). Maybe we do need the FS rules, but I don't like the brute force of pushing people out. Interesting with all the hand fighting on the mat when one or the other is called. In that case it looked like they took turns (Kerk)... oh well.
- Brick throws. Ridiculous... you all probably saw what I did... However, if there is going to be challenges then we need to support them so they don't take as long.
- Let's get Starr healthy and make another run!
- UMD was only a couple of hours away, but I got reminded of hating traffic quickly.
- strange not seeing Bonnie.. did anyone? Hope she is well.
- MM - I called it with the backpoints (whoever giveths will lose)
- Davis is a lot of fun. Interview was OK... he just doesn't 'care'
- I think a lot of our guys are 60-40 or 70-30 favored to win with the best in the country. Obviously the best wrestler in the bldg, Brooks is a 'next question'.
- I like revenge matches - Tyler's was very enjoyable over Iowa.
- When was the last time Iowa did not finish in the top 3?
- I thought we got 'burned' by really slick moves against Beau and Bernie. Hat's off!
- UMD was filled by PSU fans
- I'm too old for 2nd level viewing
- Broken record but cannot stand the inconsistencies of stalling being called. I saw it apply to fleeing the mat - in a hold or being held, push-outs, pull-outs, top, bottom, etc. Just crazy. Same behavior in the 1st period doesn't warrant a call but the 3rd does. I think the ref's need to not track the score (I know they aren't supposed to). Maybe we do need the FS rules, but I don't like the brute force of pushing people out. Interesting with all the hand fighting on the mat when one or the other is called. In that case it looked like they took turns (Kerk)... oh well.
- Brick throws. Ridiculous... you all probably saw what I did... However, if there is going to be challenges then we need to support them so they don't take as long.
- Let's get Starr healthy and make another run!
- UMD was only a couple of hours away, but I got reminded of hating traffic quickly.
LOL only Carter knows his health and Cael does do things a little diff than most Carter said he was healthy then I am sure he could wrestle!Would have liked to been on the room when Cael told him!
my high school head coach never ask is anyone was healthy if we had a match and you could walk you were wrestling no one complained but then that was back in the day!
I thought Aaron looked off, that's all. Maybe conditioning. Star comment was directed at all the commentary and speculation
New team rule. No more game day tourney decisions when injury is the concern. The unintended consequences are completely avoidable. Enough said!
PS - it's Cael and Dan's call, and it was the right one. Better when made on Friday.
PS - it's Cael and Dan's call, and it was the right one. Better when made on Friday.
I took it that it was indeed a joke, the #1 seed at 125 is always doomed this year.
Not sure the issue is "was he healthy or wasn't he"? He clearly was ready to go and appeared to have been pulled at the last minute. Was that Cael, Medical, or PSU Admin? I'm guessing that Cael would have made the call a lot earlier than that...
The least trustworthy guy in the conversation is the athlete. They will always say GO if they have a pulse.
Edit to add that I'm sure Cael and Carter have spoken by now.
Yes, the coaches bought time for Suriano to see if he could go by NCAAs, because Suriano thought he could. and he had earned that opportunity. Turns out he couldn’t go. There is no reason to believe that Carter won’t be healthy enough to wrestle in 2 weeks
I have to agree with you here. While Carter had every right to be upset if he truly believed that he was fit to compete, he has to know that the coaches did what they thought was best for his long-term prospects at Nationals and for competing freestyle this Spring.
If he had gone out there this weekend and reinjured himself everyone would be going apes*** over his participation in the event. Penn State is going to win nationals with or without Carter Starocci. I simply can't see Carter throwing away the chance to win 4 national titles over being upset over this weekend. That said it's his decision to live with one way or another. Personally, I'm going to focus on the great things he has already done in a Blue and White Singlet regardless of this year's outcome.
I still think Mongoose is the most appropriate nickname...taking into account comparability of motor, movement, and badass factors.
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Do we know the decision wasn't made Friday? It was probably made last Friday. I'd bet Carter knew there was a really good chance he wasn't going.
Cael spouts BS to the media. He isn't going to mislead one of his wrestlers.
Byers goes ballistic again!
Braeden Davis vs Patrick McKee(Minnesota) - 125 LBS Finals Full Match, with the Jeff Byers Call
Braeden Davis vs Patrick McKee(Minnesota) - 125 LBS Finals Full Match, with the Jeff Byers Call
Yes there is. That's precisely why roids and concussions have destroyed so many athletes. That's how a groin goes from 6 weeks to 6 months. How an MCL goes from a strain to tearing off the bone.
There's nothing to gain and risk by wrestling at the B1G's, and everything to gain and risk at the National Championship.
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