ACC

[PSU4U]

UVA brings to the SEC and B10 the same thing that Cal and Stanford brought to the ACC, including the same attitude toward athletics. The conferences would be better served trying to get SMU; at least you get into the Dallas market.

It's really hard to know exactly where and why certain teams will land where they will. My personal best guess based on what I'm told SMU CAL and Stanford will more than likely end up in the all-new Crappy PAC.

UNC and NCS still look like a package deal to the SEC which is most likely or the Big 10 not very likely at this point. However, if the only way the Big 10 can get UNC is to take NCS they will. The Big 10's top choices are in no particular order ND FSU UNC. A fourth team could come from Miami GT VA Utah. No on Stanford because neither USC nor UCLA want them in and both have been campaigning for Utah to get an invite particularly USC. Not saying they will.

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That is just one of many, many articles. Sorry, but cable TV is quickly dying. I would not be surprised if it’s completely dead by the early to mid 2030s . The median age of a cable TV viewer is nearly 65 years old now.

And yet cable companies are stringing new wire every day reaching areas they have never been in yet.

 

[PSU4U]

It is not about TV numbers in many instances. UVA brings UVA credibility which drives research dollars and there are a lot of advantages to bringing them into the fold. Advantages that trump the chump change of college athletics. For a T1 research university, football is a side project. I have seen many people here falsely claim Penn State is what it is because of football. Joe certainly helped (Franklin is a hindrance however) but the University was more than a cow college before Joe won a title and it really took off after joining the Big Ten due entirely to research dollars.

People tend to see everything in the here and now it's a recency bias. If venturers did that, we would Never have anything new. They see things ten to twenty years from now. In the area of UVA and throughout the state there is a boon of population growth and business that investors see no quick end to. VA and GA are two of the hottest states for growth and potential. Under the right situation UVA would be a take for the Big 10. Are they a top choice no. But would be among the teams that would be considered if the Big 10 landed ND UNC and FSU. If the Big 10 misses on any of those then UVA would climb the list as a potential take. Once the Big 12 plucks a team from the ACC and they will the ACC will split wide open.

 

[LMTLION]

And yet cable companies are stringing new wire every day reaching areas they have never been in yet.

They provide the internet access.

 

[PSU4U]

Shaking and Rumbling in ACC land. UNC making all the moves to leave the ACC and are nearing an announcement thought to be happening sometime this spring. Big Ten? SEC? No one knows for sure at this point. ESPN said to be in the middle of this and driving the next round of expansion. UNC FSU Clemson and maybe a Fla school said to be gone. If all of that is accurate it effectually guts the conference sending the ACC and maybe even the Big 12 to a Group of 5 level as none of those schools at this point are projected to go to the Big 12.

It would seem that UNC has done all the work it needs to do to prepare their departure from the league with PE playing a big part. Should be an interesting spring for league expansion?

It's looking more and more like FSU Clemson UNC and VA to the SEC and Duke GT ND and Miami to the Big Ten. First party talks are now going on all obstacles on that have been removed. Being said that ND and Miami are the likely travel partners along with Duke and GT. Stanford and Utah also in the mix as possibilities after the dust settles on initial departures. UNC and VA said most likely first to announce. Everyone is waiting on the NCAA settlement then things start moving.

 

[LMTLION]

It's looking more and more like FSU Clemson UNC and VA to the SEC and Duke GT ND and Miami to the Big Ten. Fist party talks are now going on all obstacles on that have been removed. Being said that ND and Miami are the likely travel partners along with Duke and GT. Stanford and Utah also in the mix as possibilities after the dust settles on initial departures. UNC and VA said most likely first to announce. Everyone is waiting on the NCAA settlement then things start moving.

Thank you for posting. That is certainly interesting. I do have a few questions. What value does Duke bring to the conference? Obviously they are a fantastic basketball school and an academic research powerhouse, but the real money in this equation is football. Secondly who truly believes Notre Dame will ever join a conference? I just don’t see it happening. They are stubbornly independent and make enough revenue to keep them independent. I understand the mutual rationale for GT and Miami.

 

[joeaubie21]

If the ACC folds, someone would have to be goofy to broker a deal allowing them to remain independent.

 

[LMTLION]

If the ACC folds, someone would have to be goofy to broker a deal allowing them to remain independent.

You would think that the collapse of that scheduling arrangement would lead them to membership in a conference, but I’m not so sure. It would take schools like USC and Texas to stop scheduling them, but that may not be likely as Notre Dame is such a draw and revenue producer.

 

[psu00]

ND will try to remain independent but if the ACC were to collapse and the Big Ten/ SEC put together some sort scheduling arrangement or separate out into their own league, ND would be left out and have real scheduling difficulty.

I thought the ACC just settled their differences with the court cases? I haven’t followed all the details from that but I thought FSU and Clemson now agree they’re stuck to the GOR?

 

[PurposePitch]

It's looking more and more like FSU Clemson UNC and VA to the SEC and Duke GT ND and Miami to the Big Ten. Fist party talks are now going on all obstacles on that have been removed. Being said that ND and Miami are the likely travel partners along with Duke and GT. Stanford and Utah also in the mix as possibilities after the dust settles on initial departures. UNC and VA said most likely first to announce. Everyone is waiting on the NCAA settlement then things start moving.

Source?

 

[RickinDayton]

ND will try to remain independent but if the ACC were to collapse and the Big Ten/ SEC put together some sort scheduling arrangement or separate out into their own league, ND would be left out and have real scheduling difficulty.

I thought the ACC just settled their differences with the court cases? I haven’t followed all the details from that but I thought FSU and Clemson now agree they’re stuck to the GOR?

I too thought they dropped their cases and were sticking with the ACC GOR although with an increase of the share?

 

[royboy]

I too thought they dropped their cases and were sticking with the ACC GOR although with an increase of the share?

Yeah, there is a notable absence of links or sources identified by @PSU4U in this discussion of the ACC.

 

[LandoComando]

Yeah, there is a notable absence of links or sources identified by @PSU4U in this discussion of the ACC.

He has his sources...allegedly...but things change constantly I expect the ACC to collapse sooner than later but the breakdown doesn't make a lot of sense. The Big Ten isn't just going to take Duke for the heck of it.

 

[PSU4U]

Yeah, there is a notable absence of links or sources identified by @PSU4U in this discussion of the ACC.

I never use the media and I never give up a source get used to it.

 

[wilbury]

It is not about TV numbers in many instances. UVA brings UVA credibility which drives research dollars and there are a lot of advantages to bringing them into the fold. Advantages that trump the chump change of college athletics. For a T1 research university, football is a side project. I have seen many people here falsely claim Penn State is what it is because of football. Joe certainly helped (Franklin is a hindrance however) but the University was more than a cow college before Joe won a title and it really took off after joining the Big Ten due entirely to research dollars.

Right, that's why the Big Ten added USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon but not Cal or Stanford

 

[PSU4U]

Thank you for posting. That is certainly interesting. I do have a few questions. What value does Duke bring to the conference? Obviously they are a fantastic basketball school and an academic research powerhouse, but the real money in this equation is football. Secondly who truly believes Notre Dame will ever join a conference? I just don’t see it happening. They are stubbornly independent and make enough revenue to keep them independent. I understand the mutual rationale for GT and Miami.

OK a couple things on Duke, one the Big teams in the east want desperately to be in the state of NC and the presidents who still value education and research want Duke if they can't get UNC. With or without UNC there is great value in that state and Duke it's just that Duke in this case is the consolation prize but still an excellent get all things considered. Teams like Duke and GT will rise once in the Big 10 and I believe both are coming.

ND has a scheduling agreement with NBC to play Clemson
FSU and Miami every year, it's part of their NBC contract which by the way is basically a year-to-year contract given the ACC tenuous situation and that scheduling agreement. There are reasons why the details of that agreement where never made public. When The ACC blows up and it's going to that scheduling contract which is part of the NBC contract with ND blows up. Swarbrick was in the room with Petitti and Sankey, they know what's coming down the pike and it's not good for ND. The revenue you site for ND blows up with the ACC and NBC when the ships start fleeing the harbor. Where is ND going to go and where will their revue come from. They are at that point out of options.

Miami is the travel partner with ND and Duke GT comes in together later. The SEC will tale VA UNC Clemson and FSU that's the latest intel out of NC.

 

[PSU4U]

Right, that's why the Big Ten added USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon but not Cal or Stanford

The networks got what they wanted on that one but won't be the case necessarily in the ACC, the universities in the east will be calling the shots aided by OSU and Michigan and ALL will vote for Duke and GT. Minnihaha will vote whatever way Michigan votes that's six votes right there. The four west coast teams will also vote for them there's 10. Indiana will most likely vote yes and I believe Wisky might too. The one most likely to vote no from a football aspect would likely be NW but they will come around because this modern big ten likes unanimous votes. The Big Ten desperately wants to be in three states in ACC country because of the growth potential NC GA and FLA for all the reasons any league would want to be.

 

[LandoComando]

Utah and Colorado make more sense than Duke--so would getting into Arizona
UNC is the prize in NC. Duke & NC State are not.
Ga Tech doesn't need a travel partner if Miami joins (which I'm also not convinced is a priority)
SEC taking FSU and Clemson makes absolutely no sense for them unless they're joining at a huge discount. UVa and UNC make a ton of sense.

 

[LandoComando]

The networks got what they wanted on that one but won't be the case necessarily in the ACC, the universities in the east will be calling the shots aided by OSU and Michigan and ALL will vote for Duke and GT. Minnihaha will vote whatever way Michigan votes that's six votes right there. The four west coast teams will also vote for them there's 10. Indiana will most likely vote yes and I believe Wisky might too. The one most likely to vote no from a football aspect would likely be NW but they will come around because this modern big ten likes unanimous votes. The Big Ten desperately wants to be in three state NC GA and FLA for all the reasons any league would want to be.

This is ALL about the networks.
Why not at UCF and App State at a huge discount instead of taking Miami and Duke then if it's only about being in NC & FL?

 

[PSU4U]

Yeah, there is a notable absence of links or sources identified by @PSU4U in this discussion of the ACC.

OK here I'll help you on doing some research you should be doing on your own. This is just for starters and this is ten months old and was before the current ACC situation which is about to completely fall apart. https://www.pressreader.com/usa/south-bend-tribune/20240618/281822878966486

 

[psu00]

Respectfully disagree teams like Duke and GT ‘will rise once in the Big Ten’. That’s an assumption based only on hope and against all evidence to the contrary.

Rutgers and Maryland have not risen. Hell, Purdue, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, etc have been in far longer and still flounder.

Even once mighty Nebraska with all their tradition and past glory can’t rise in the Big Ten but people seriously expect Georgia Tech and Duke to? Don’t see that happening at all. It would be adding 2 more teams that drag down payments to the rest of the conference.

ND has painted itself into a corner. If the ACC falls, their only option is to get some arrangement with the Big 12. I would highly doubt the B12 would give them an ACC type deal. They’d want more of a commitment and I’m not sure ND alums would be thrilled in a predominantly Texas/ Kansas/ Arizona/ Utah conference.

I can see the SEC taking Clemson, FSU, and UNC. I doubt they’re interested in UVA, Duke, NC St but could see them taking 1 of them if UNC demanded a travel partner from those 3. I don’t know if NC state politics would demand Nc St go with them?

 

[LandoComando]

Respectfully disagree teams like Duke and GT ‘will rise once in the Big Ten’. That’s an assumption based only on hope and against all evidence to the contrary.

Rutgers and Maryland have not risen. Hell, Purdue, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, etc have been in far longer and still flounder.

Even once mighty Nebraska with all their tradition and past glory can’t rise in the Big Ten but people seriously expect Georgia Tech and Duke to? Don’t see that happening at all. It would be adding 2 more teams that drag down payments to the rest of the conference.

ND has painted itself into a corner. If the ACC falls, their only option is to get some arrangement with the Big 12. I would highly doubt the B12 would give them an ACC type deal. They’d want more of a commitment and I’m not sure ND alums would be thrilled in a predominantly Texas/ Kansas/ Arizona/ Utah conference.

I can see the SEC taking Clemson, FSU, and UNC. I doubt they’re interested in UVA, Duke, NC St but could see them taking 1 of them if UNC demanded a travel partner from those 3. I don’t know if NC state politics would demand Nc St go with them?

Great post...I agree with literally everything until then end but I may we wrong. I don't think the SEC wants to add any more great football programs. UNC and UVa make the most sense to me. And I know they say they want to remain in the southeast but if they're in Texas why not Arizona...and if they're in Oklahoma why not Kansas or Colorado.

I just don't see Clemson and FSU as sought after...could be dead wrong though

 

[PSU4U]

Respectfully disagree teams like Duke and GT ‘will rise once in the Big Ten’. That’s an assumption based only on hope and against all evidence to the contrary.

Rutgers and Maryland have not risen. Hell, Purdue, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, etc have been in far longer and still flounder.

Even once mighty Nebraska with all their tradition and past glory can’t rise in the Big Ten but people seriously expect Georgia Tech and Duke to? Don’t see that happening at all. It would be adding 2 more teams that drag down payments to the rest of the conference.

ND has painted itself into a corner. If the ACC falls, their only option is to get some arrangement with the Big 12. I would highly doubt the B12 would give them an ACC type deal. They’d want more of a commitment and I’m not sure ND alums would be thrilled in a predominantly Texas/ Kansas/ Arizona/ Utah conference.

I can see the SEC taking Clemson, FSU, and UNC. I doubt they’re interested in UVA, Duke, NC St but could see them taking 1 of them if UNC demanded a travel partner from those 3. I don’t know if NC state politics would demand Nc St go with them?

Rutgers has been making steady progress MD has not because of a caustic Locksley they have to get rid of him and find a coach who can fight for some of the best instate talent. That can happen but not with Snidely Whiplash at the helm. Plus MD is broke when it comes to football but that will now get better with the revenue sharing and on the next Big Ten media deal. But it will still take a coaching change (money) and some time.

On your only hope comment, aside from FLA, NC and Ga are the two of hottest hotbeds for recruiting on the east coast. You have to think about the ACC schedules compared to OSU MI PS NEB SC OR WA etc coming to town. That's huge TV for Duke and GT along with the uptick in recruiting for them. Being on TV in the Big Ten is way different than being on some TV in that ACC TV contract which nationally nobody really watches except for a few choice games.

The Neb situation is totally different. They lost their recruiting base when they joined the Big Ten and not playing TX and OK. They recruited the State of Texas heavily as did Oklahoma which is one of the reasons OK went to the SEC along with TX. Neb has no instate recruiting base to speak of they have always had to recruit TX and then nationally they are no longer getting the national recruits, but NIL could save them there but so far it hasn't.

On ND and the Big 12 those presidents when polled over whelmingly said no to a Big 12 ND scheduling deal. Plus, ND's alumni base is not in the Midwest it is on both coasts and in the heart of the Big Ten so I seriously doubt they would even consider that.

Also Bevacqua said 10 months ago that IF FSU and Clemson left the ACC that ND would default on keeping their scheduling agreement (part of their contract) with NBC.

 

[PSU4U]

You would think that the collapse of that scheduling arrangement would lead them to membership in a conference, but I’m not so sure. It would take schools like USC and Texas to stop scheduling them, but that may not be likely as Notre Dame is such a draw and revenue producer.

It won't take that at all. ND's contract with NBC blows up in their face when Clemson and FSU leave due to the contractual scheduling agreement with NBC. ND will default on the contract and their paycheck with NBC is gone.

 

[LMTLION]

It won't take that at all. ND's contract with NBC blows up in their face when Clemson and FSU leave due to the contractual scheduling agreement with NBC. ND will default on the contract and their paycheck with NBC is gone.

My understanding is the $50M base contract with nbc to broadcast all their home games is not contingent upon opponent at all. It is the mechanism that allows them to remain independent and last through 2029. They have a secondary ACC contract to supplement their revenue at an additional $17M per year and last through 2037. In my opinion, they are ironclad independent for the long-term.

 

[PurposePitch]

I never use the media and I never give up a source get used to it.

Crazy conspiracy guy asks board to just trust him.

You can’t make this stuff up.

 

[RickinDayton]

My understanding is the $50M base contract with nbc to broadcast all their home games is not contingent upon opponent at all. It is the mechanism that allows them to remain independent and last through 2029. They have a secondary ACC contract to supplement their revenue at an additional $17M per year and last through 2037. In my opinion, they are ironclad independent for the long-term.

What I don't understand is why B1G teams aren't freezing out ND from their scheduling? Do they benefit as much as ND?

 

[LMTLION]

What I don't understand is why B1G teams aren't freezing out ND from their scheduling? Do they benefit as much as ND?

I believe it’s probably a significant revenue stream between the home attendance numbers and the non-conference TV money. I would actually love to have a series with them, but it doesn’t appear we schedule anybody of significance anymore.

 

[Parkland Fan]

Rutgers has been making steady progress MD has not because of a caustic Locksley they have to get rid of him and find a coach who can fight for some of the best instate talent. That can happen but not with Snidely Whiplash at the helm. Plus MD is broke when it comes to football but that will now get better with the revenue sharing and on the next Big Ten media deal. But it will still take a coaching change (money) and some time.

On your only hope comment, aside from FLA, NC and Ga are the two of hottest hotbeds for recruiting on the east coast. You have to think about the ACC schedules compared to OSU MI PS NEB SC OR WA etc coming to town. That's huge TV for Duke and GT along with the uptick in recruiting for them. Being on TV in the Big Ten is way different than being on some TV in that ACC TV contract which nationally nobody really watches except for a few choice games.

The Neb situation is totally different. They lost their recruiting base when they joined the Big Ten and not playing TX and OK. They recruited the State of Texas heavily as did Oklahoma which is one of the reasons OK went to the SEC along with TX. Neb has no instate recruiting base to speak of they have always had to recruit TX and then nationally they are no longer getting the national recruits, but NIL could save them there but so far it hasn't.

On ND and the Big 12 those presidents when polled over whelmingly said no to a Big 12 ND scheduling deal. Plus, ND's alumni base is not in the Midwest it is on both coasts and in the heart of the Big Ten so I seriously doubt they would even consider that.

Also Bevacqua said 10 months ago that IF FSU and Clemson left the ACC that ND would default on keeping their scheduling agreement (part of their contract) with NBC.

I never thought that I would see a Snidely Whiplash reference on this board. Boris Badenough yes, but not Snidely. Dishonest John would certainly fit some of the media players.
For the under 40s posters, you might need to watch more vintage cartoons.

 

[Parkland Fan]

I never thought that I would see a Snidely Whiplash reference on this board. Boris Badenough yes, but not Snidely. Dishonest John would certainly fit some of the media players.
For the under 40s posters, you might need to watch more vintage cartoons.

Make that the under 50s posters.

 

[PSU4U]

I believe it’s probably a significant revenue stream between the home attendance numbers and the non-conference TV money. I would actually love to have a series with them, but it doesn’t appear we schedule anybody of significance anymore.

If Petitti could legally order an edict/executive order to freeze them out I would love it. I've been told that after the next expansion they will require another in league game each year. That might do it.

 

[wilbury]

If Petitti could legally order an edict/executive order to freeze them out I would love it. I've been told that after the next expansion they will require another in league game each year. That might do it.

'You've been told'? These are all widely reported rumors.

 

[PSU4U]

'You've been told'? These are all widely reported rumors.

I don't deal in rumors.