Google what Vegas had for over/under win total.
I’ll save you the time, they had it at 8.5.
As far as talent wise I don’t disagree, they should never be less than10-2.
All the haters were just waiting for this type of game…
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I’ll save you the time, they had it at 8.5.
As far as talent wise I don’t disagree, they should never be less than10-2.
That's just where the money goes--people around the country don't respect Franklin and expect him to lose games he shouldn't. The team with more talent should always be "expected" to win--doesn't mean they will as upsets happen but it should be the expectation.
Honestly, it's been 8 years. Franklin wins on talent. He gets out coached most weeks. PSU does not perform well against teams with similar talent, squeaks by teams with less talent, and rarely beats teams with more talent. He does everything well, except actual football coaching.
It hasn't changed in 8 years. I don't think it's going to in year 9, or ever. IMHO, as a football coach, JF is Steve Spurrier. He may catch lightning in a bottle one year and win a NC, but most years he will get out coached and lose.
Big Game James should try building something before he rebuilds. So far, he has built the equivalent of a fancy port a potty.
His tenure at PSU will not be nearly as long as he assumes. Mr. Kraft is NOT a fan. He will be tolerant, up to a point. PSU being embarrassed will not go over well with him. He will not long tolerate what we saw today - trust me on this.
Can you blame them for expecting Franklin to lose games he shouldn’t?
I’m sure that’s why some were predicting 9-3,8-4.
I’m comfortably retired at 59, and happily married for 32+ years - you should be so unhappy. You havent a clue, and that’s fine -few of your generation do. As for PSU football, you appear to have views as clueless as your views on age and happiness. Do yourself a favor - go outside and play, and allow the actual adults to discuss PSU football, junior.
We need to go to the ACC and win it 8 out of 10 times. Less money, but happier fans
This was embarrassing for sure. Problem is we could rebound and go 9-3 or even 10-2. Why is that a problem? It doesn't solve the problem we have of not being a physical, tough team that wins on both sides of scrimmage against top 20 teams. Yet, 10-2 will keep Franklin going despite him falling further and further behind the only two teams relevant in the B10.
Wish you were right but that ridiculous 10 year contract extension by the prior incompetent AD and the history of PSU administrators doing nothing would suggest the opposite. 😡
Not an absolute hater, but one with a lot of questions. We saw this coming for the last two games. I know, it was raining, but it was NW and we played poorly. And Central Michigan moved the ball far too easily against our Defense.
Just be patient - this season is far more important than most think. Mr. Kraft is not a Franklin-bot. Seriously, I‘m trying to alert Nittany Nation - Franklin is on thinning ice, and what we saw today is not something Mr. Kraft is going to tolerate much longer. Franklin better extract his head out if his nether regions and win at least 9 games this regular season. you wait and see
Wrong. His disgust is palpable. Most of us are disgusted with the piss poor coach that Franklin is. And Franklin is stupid. But he's not as stupid as Sandy and the PSU administration that gave him a handsome new contract for barely mediocre performance. Open you eyes, son. Franklin is a bullshit artist.
I hope you’re right. (Please tell me you’re Kraft’s neighbor and had this discussion with him during the week.
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There is no way that this team should have been embarrassed like that. And for Franklin to raise the issue of his lines being too small? Who is to blame for recruiting small players and trying to get them bigger? Such a terrible game day coach and the reality is that there’s no realistic way of getting him to change or move on. Maybe else can pray that some billionaire NFL owner can pony up the buyout for shipping him to that league
it’s not one data point. Post the results of the last 5 years of top ten matchups.
That's ridiculous, Ohio St had 2 losses last year with the best talent composite in the nation (virtual 3 way tie with Alabama and Georgia). It's unrealistic to expect never worse than 10-2 unless you have top 3 talent. Teams have bad match ups, off games, injuries, etc. It's being played with 18 to 23 year old kids, not a video game profiles.
Excuse me, one data point on this year's team. If you want to look at the last 5 years, you look it up.
Ohio State fans weren't pleased last year either with 2 losses. That's a bad season for them as you're aware and we should reach the point where we feel the exact same way
It’s a data point in a trend going back half a decade and that’s why people have had their patience wear thin. None of this happens in a vacuum. I don’t need to look it up. There are zero wins against top ten teams the last 5 years.
And they should not have lost to Oregon or Michigan they were the better team. Not saying those games could be considered upsets, but upsets happen that’s why they play the game, and losing to teams with less talent should be the exception not the rule.
I don’t expect them to go 10-2 every year, as I said upsets happen or two evenly matched teams can come down to one play and you lose. The problem is PSU does have top 3 talent in big10.
I don't believe he is a great recruiter. He has not recruited at a high level every year, and has too many positions where he has not recruited enough talent to field above average units. This year in addition to the OL which he has never fielded a top 3 B10 unit, it is WR, LB and DL. Many would not put DL on the list as against the weaker teams PSU plays the current DL can hold up well enough against the run and put some pressure on the QB. But not against very good teams.
Great recruiters don't end up with a team that does not have a deep WR threat. Great recruiters don't end up with Elsdon playing Mike and watching all the UM RB's run by (and Sutherland missing tackle after tackle). And Great recruiters don't field an OL as weak in run blocking and pass blocking as what PSU has fielded in their 9th year as head coach.
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The have equal talent to Bama and Georgia but not the recent national championships. Ohio St should be upset with their 2 losses last year because they had more 5 stars than our entire conference combined. They didn't play anyone that they weren't favored by 2 scores against and still managed 2 losses.
Exactly, with the talent OSU has fans should expect 12-0 or 11-1 just about every year.
But PSU shouldn’t be 10-2 more often than not?
As I stated above, PSU has top 3 talent in the big10.
At least 10-2 unless Bama Georgia or another strong OOC is scheduled that's comparable to us.
One data point? That one data point is representative of many going back to Franklin's time at Vanderbilt. One data point fine. Many data points over 12 years is a trend not a singular event.
he’s pulled one out of his butt once and it was 6 years ago. I stopped expecting it to happen again after yesterday.
Once in a while has happened once in 9 years. Not sure what your definition of once in a while is but mine is more frequent than effectively once a decade.
he caught lightning in a bottle with the late run in 2016 and the rose bowl still managed to put a damper on it. I like Franklin but he is what he is, a coach with no top ten wins since 2016.
Once again you nailed it Greg. 43 and 0 are huge liabilities and If he isn't starting 11 THIS SATURDAY NIGHT WITH ALL THE SNAPS then I frankly am going to straight up question his commitment to winning.
How do you know? I think he can go 9-3 forever but I hope you are right. He needs to be held accountable and our previous joke of an AD had no clue.
