allar.

[Little J]

I am a fan of Allar and though my lens he is quite good but not great (yet). If you read this board, you will see that a chunk of you think the kid walks on water. The excuses are rampant - it's the line....it's the receivers...it's the conditions.... its Franklin stressing him out ...it's the scheme or play calling. It's nauseating!

He had a good game yesterday. Not an "A" game but a good game, nonetheless. He is stable and made plays with his feet. It is all about making the right decisions to win games. Drew has done this all season. He is not perfect, and he knows it, but he is working and progressing to be better. The tape does not lie, nor do our eyes when he misses open receivers. And YES, there were plenty of open receivers yesterday. The receives suck bit is getting old as is the pedestal many of you put him on and the excuses made about his game.

I look forward to watching him get better. It is a process we have been watching. Be honest about it and stop making excuse after excuse.

 

[lurkerlion]

Allar just doesn’t have it. We should move on from him to someone else.

I said this in 1981 about Blackledge and in 1993 about Collins. I learned I am pretty stupid about quarterback development. Allar has the talent. Let him play and learn. This was a whole new system this year which made him a first year starter. My hope is he learns to clean up his mechanics. Guys like Rodgers and Mahomes never forget their mechanics.

 

[LandoComando]

I am a fan of Allar and though my lens he is quite good but not great (yet). If you read this board, you will see that a chunk of you think the kid walks on water. The excuses are rampant - it's the line....it's the receivers...it's the conditions.... its Franklin stressing him out ...it's the scheme or play calling. It's nauseating!

He had a good game yesterday. Not an "A" game but a good game, nonetheless. He is stable and made plays with his feet. It is all about making the right decisions to win games. Drew has done this all season. He is not perfect, and he knows it, but he is working and progressing to be better. The tape does not lie, nor do our eyes when he misses open receivers. And YES, there were plenty of open receivers yesterday. The receives suck bit is getting old as is pedestal you put him on and the excuses so many of you make about his game.

I look forward to watching him get better. It is a process we have been watching. Be honest about it and stop making excuse after excuse.

This "there were plenty of receivers open" when he didn't have time to get to his second read the majority of the time let alone through his progressions.

Drew was not great yesterday yet infinitely better than Jennings who is also a great college QB. No QB was going to have a great day passing yesterday yet, a true pocket passer, accepted that and made plays with his feet.

How many sacks did Drew escape yesterday? Yes, he missed some throws and reads...like every QB that has ever played has in every game.

 

[LandoComando]

Allar just doesn’t have it. We should move on from him to someone else.

I said this in 1981 about Blackledge and in 1993 about Collins. I learned I am pretty stupid about quarterback development. Allar has the talent. Let him play and learn. This was a whole new system this year which made him a first year starter. My hope is he learns to clean up his mechanics. Guys like Rodgers and Mahomes never forget their mechanics.

And here's the dumbest post in months.
If you don't think Rodgers and Mahomes ever have their mechanics break down then you aren't watching.

 

[lurkerlion]

And here's the dumbest post in months.
If you don't think Rodgers and Mahomes ever have their mechanics break down then you aren't watching.

Duh. They have the talent to disregard mechanics. If your kid is talented, never let him watch those quarterbacks. They invent as they go along.

I think Allar has the talent and arm strength to succeed without sticking to convention but criticism will follow any mistake.

Sorry my tongue in cheek wasn’t clear.

 

[LandoComando]

Duh. They have the talent to disregard mechanics. If your kid is talented, never let him watch those quarterbacks. They invent as they go along.

I think Allar has the talent and arm strength to succeed without sticking to convention but criticism will follow any mistake.

Sorry my tongue in cheek wasn’t clear.

My apologies

 

[baircub1!]

what is the openion on how he did today?

Average Saturday but many factors contributed.. I think he lights up Boise State , though..

 

[MacNit2.0]

Average Saturday but many factors contributed.. I think he lights up Boise State , though..

Hopefully he plays a solid game against Boise. Without WRs, he will “light up” no one.

 

[87 Penn St8]

In my opinion, it's highly possible he was concerned about getting hurt. I’d guess the coaches' concerns were in his mind, even if they didn’t specifically mention it to him. Honestly, losing Beau was a bigger blow than most are willing to admit.

And the fact that Grunk pulled a version of a Taquon- false start and int on first pass deep in own territory- magnified the situation.

What do coaches have to do now? Rotate 3 qbs so that they avoid this situation? B/C all of the opportunities that Beau got didn't keep him around...if anything it created more of a market for him.

Strange management challenge for sure...just the way it is...

 

[MacNit2.0]

And the fact that Grunk pulled a version of a Taquon- false start and int on first pass deep in own territory- magnified the situation.

What do coaches have to do now? Rotate 3 qbs so that they avoid this situation? B/C all of the opportunities that Beau got didn't keep him around...if anything it created more of a market for him.

Strange management challenge for sure...just the way it is...

Allow kids to to transfer but stay with team thru playoffs. It’s not like anyone is worried about education anymore.

Pure NFL minor leagues.

 

[87 Penn St8]

And the fact that Grunk pulled a version of a Taquon- false start and int on first pass deep in own territory- magnified the situation.

What do coaches have to do now? Rotate 3 qbs so that they avoid this situation? B/C all of the opportunities that Beau got didn't keep him around...if anything it created more of a market for him.

Strange management challenge for sure...just the way it is...

Plus 1 of the handoffs to 25 was clearly out of sync. And this was garbage time at home...

Kids gotta make plays in games- practice isn't the same.

Georgia may be the favorite if Beck was healthy- still formidable with a solid defense that could disrupt us more than SMU if we get them down the road

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Fiesta Bowl not the Orange.

No. I meant Orange. This is what I wrote:

".... If Penn State gets to the Orange Bowl and wins that game then the pressure will drop considerably. "

A win over Boise State means very little. It's a game we are expected to win.

The pressure is to win a game as an underdog, or at least against one of the better programs. I would put Notre Dame and certainly Georgia in that class.

 

[PA college fan]

Not best day for Allar— but the cold and wind made it hard and he knew turnovers could be huge in this weather. He was maybe over cautious with the elements and he plays better when he is not over thinking- it is a balance however as the Oregon interceptions were costly.

Allar is the best thing that has happened to this program and main reason along with supporting cast that we are where we are- in final eight and great chance for final four. He will have a great game in Fiesta Bowl, I predict. Having him back next year is like having a smart coach on field. We are finally thawed out from yesterday— I was surprised and proud of the fan turnout in the element. Took a while a get into parking lot and stadium due to crowd size amd early start (which was good for change with the weather— sun was out briefly and felt great).

 

[WaffleShopper]

Average Saturday but many factors contributed.. I think he lights up Boise State , though..

Agreed. Maybe a C+ or B- yesterday but with perfect conditions in State Farm Stadium I expect an A or A+.

 

[m.knox]

Allar is good but he has yet to jump to the elite level. Next year maybe if Franklin does not stress him out (wtf - lol!). I love his fire and work ethic.

There was a comment from one the announcers and I am not sure how to interpret it. He said that Allar "only" had 7 years experience playing the position. Honestly, at his age, isn't that a decent number? Or do kids need to start at 10 years old these days?

He made the right decision staying. Imagine him getting beat up like Caleb Williams or Trevor Lawrence. Yes, he certainly could have cashed in, it would have likely been short lived.

 

[GSPMax]

There was a comment from one the announcers and I am not sure how to interpret it. He said that Allar "only" had 7 years experience playing the position. Honestly, at his age, isn't that a decent number? Or do kids need to start at 10 years old these days?

He made the right decision staying. Imagine him getting beat up like Caleb Williams or Trevor Lawrence. Yes, he certainly could have cashed in, it would have likely been short lived.

Allar won't be 21 until march. Means he started playing qb at 13 or 14. Seems about right to me.
Glad he is staying and is the right decision.

 

[TheWizardofCamelot]

The weather made that game extremely difficult for both QBs, a potent passing attack just wasn’t possible. Coach K was driving me nuts with the playcalling, it’s almost like being in the box he couldn’t understand how bad the conditions were for passing. We were getting 5 yards a clip running the ball too.

While Allar didn’t look good throwing the rock, his legs and escape ability were great in critical moments. He didn’t have his fastball and still found a way to impact the game. Sign of a winner.

 

[LandoComando]

Allow kids to to transfer but stay with team thru playoffs. It’s not like anyone is worried about education anymore.

Pure NFL minor leagues.

Beau had that option but didn't take it

 

[LandoComando]

Agreed. Maybe a C+ or B- yesterday but with perfect conditions in State Farm Stadium I expect an A or A+.

If Allar gets a C for yesterday should Jennings quit playing football? lol
Allar definitely didn't earn top grades but he was fine yesterday given the circumstances

 

[PennState_one]

No. I meant Orange. This is what I wrote:

".... If Penn State gets to the Orange Bowl and wins that game then the pressure will drop considerably. "

A win over Boise State means very little. It's a game we are expected to win.

The pressure is to win a game as an underdog, or at least against one of the better programs. I would put Notre Dame and certainly Georgia in that class.

People will still say they only beat Georgia because Georgia was without their starting QB, and they'll argue that Notre Dame was overrated and never played anyone. I’ve stopped paying attention to that stuff. For some, Franklin will never be enough, no matter what he does.

 

[LandoComando]

People will still say they only beat Georgia because Georgia was without their starting QB, and they'll argue that Notre Dame was overrated and never played anyone. I’ve stopped paying attention to that stuff. For some, Franklin will never be enough, no matter what he does.

Even without Beck it's a big win because it's Georgia and Smart
Even though ND is overrated it's still a big win
Franklin is "enough" but he has to start beating teams on our level or better than him--he doesn't do that
He also has to stop the stupid shit like going for 4th and 1 at our 20 up by 14

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

People will still say they only beat Georgia because Georgia was without their starting QB, and they'll argue that Notre Dame was overrated and never played anyone. I’ve stopped paying attention to that stuff. For some, Franklin will never be enough, no matter what he does.

Disagree. The facts are the facts. Views are being driven by the facts.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Even without Beck it's a big win because it's Georgia and Smart
Even though ND is overrated it's still a big win
Franklin is "enough" but he has to start beating teams on our level or better than him--he doesn't do that
He also has to stop the stupid shit like going for 4th and 1 at our 20 up by 14

And then saying that he would do it again for no better reason than because he told the team that he wanted them to be aggressive. It's stuff like that which makes people question the intellect. You do it when the situation dictates, i.e., when it makes sense -- not because of perceptions.

 

[PennState_one]

Disagree. The facts are the facts. Views are being driven by the facts.

Yep, can't make everyone happy. Fwiw, they are big games to me.

 

[SR108]

what is the openion on how he did today?

Not a great game passing, but kept drives alive, eluded the rush at times to make plays.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Yep, can't make everyone happy. Fwiw, they are big games to me.

No one disputes this. It's a matter of having different standards. If you were around during the 70s, 80s, and 90s you learned to expect that every few years you would have a team that could play with anyone.

In today's game all playoff games are "big games." What is being disputed is whether such playoff wins change the narrative, i.e., from losing every time the opposition comes in with equal or better talent. Yesterday's Big Game did nothing to that end. The Fiesta Bowl will not change that. Winning one or both of the final two games would be different. We would at least then be 500 in games against top tier teams. Even us old timers would find that acceptable.

 

[Obliviax]

Not a great game passing, but kept drives alive, eluded the rush at times to make plays.

Yep. He made two great plays. The first was when he found an open guy on the flee flicker and the second was when there was a broken play due to the SMU defense barking and our center snapped the ball. He picked up five or six yards then snapped at the ref.


Plus zero turnovers.

 

[baircub1!]

Even without Beck it's a big win because it's Georgia and Smart
Even though ND is overrated it's still a big win
Franklin is "enough" but he has to start beating teams on our level or better than him--he doesn't do that
He also has to stop the stupid shit like going for 4th and 1 at our 20 up by 14

Penn State frankly went toe to toe with two of the best teams in College Football ; Oregon and Ohio State.

There is a very good chance we see an all Big 10 National Championship ; PSU vs OSU…
I do think Buckeyes beat Oregon.. PSU matches up well against Boise State.. and assuming Georgia wins.. think we match up well against them also…

 

[joeaubie21]

The same old fart odor.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

Allar will lead this team to the finals. One or both of our RBs will beck next year. The final against Oregon or OSU will be a toss up. There are no allstar QBs when the wind chill is 15 degrees. Aĺlar led them to a great win.

 

[AWS1022]

There was a comment from one the announcers and I am not sure how to interpret it. He said that Allar "only" had 7 years experience playing the position. Honestly, at his age, isn't that a decent number? Or do kids need to start at 10 years old these days?

He made the right decision staying. Imagine him getting beat up like Caleb Williams or Trevor Lawrence. Yes, he certainly could have cashed in, it would have likely been short lived.

Most QB’s at least play in middle school.

 

[AWS1022]

No one disputes this. It's a matter of having different standards. If you were around during the 70s, 80s, and 90s you learned to expect that every few years you would have a team that could play with anyone.

In today's game all playoff games are "big games." What is being disputed is whether such playoff wins change the narrative, i.e., from losing every time the opposition comes in with equal or better talent. Yesterday's Big Game did nothing to that end. The Fiesta Bowl will not change that. Winning one or both of the final two games would be different. We would at least then be 500 in games against top tier teams. Even us old timers would find that acceptable.

Until they joined the Big, then they could play with anyone except OSU, Michigan and Iowa.

 

[bono47]

Penn State frankly went toe to toe with two of the best teams in College Football ; Oregon and Ohio State.

There is a very good chance we see an all Big 10 National Championship ; PSU vs OSU…
I do think Buckeyes beat Oregon.. PSU matches up well against Boise State.. and assuming Georgia wins.. think we match up well against them also…

Toe to toe but lost both.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Until they joined the Big, then they could play with anyone except OSU, Michigan and Iowa.

During the 1990s:

Iowa: PSU 4 wins, Iowa 1 win
Michigan: PSU 3 wins, Michigan 4 wins
Ohio State: PSU 3 wins, Michigan 4 wins

During the 1970s and 80s

Iowa: PSU 6 wins, Iowa 2 wins
Michigan: No games
Ohio State: PSU 2 wins, OSU 2 wins

This hardly supports your argument, unless you are in fact not addressing my post and are instead trying to start a Straw Man Argument by merging the Post 2000 period with the Pre-2000 period, which was the period referenced in my post.

I would argue that, even during the 1990s (the first few years in the conference) we could still say that every few years we fielded a team that "could play with anybody." That had been my point, and the point of many others here. Sure we had some underperforming years, but there were also years where we could line up with anyone and not expect to lose the game. It's been a very long time since we have been able to feel that way, even with the addition of a young coach closing in on a hundred million dollars.

We certainly had a team that could beat anybody in 1994, and probably in 1999 -- a loaded team that was expected to contend for an NC, but screwed up by losing to Minnesota by one point. A lack of leadership then saw that team quit and lose two more games to close out the regular season. (Expectations were that the 1999 team would be like the 1994 team and go undefeated.) By then JVP was too old to be the HC, but hung on. He wound down on recruiting and the program went down hill. We had the Dark Years, Nepotism, then of course the Sandusky fiasco.

These were distinct periods -- pre-2000 versus post-2000. You are doing a disservice to our history by trying to blur the two, especially given the B1G's officiating corruption.

So our record in this conference should come with an asterisk. For many years B1G officiating crews, Witvoet chief among them, were hell-bent on protecting OSU and Michigan. Their game at the end of the year would be of lesser value if blemished by a loss to PSU. The corruption reached a crescendo in 2014 when even the feed for Instant Replay was somehow "lost." It was so bad that the issue could no longer be hidden. We got an apology, but still were not selected to play for an NC. That of course would be granted to OSU. But now we do things to lose these games anyway.

 

[bourbon n blues]

During the 1990s:

Iowa: PSU 4 wins, Iowa 1 win
Michigan: PSU 3 wins, Michigan 4 wins
Ohio State: PSU 3 wins, Michigan 4 wins

During the 1970s and 80s

Iowa: PSU 6 wins, Iowa 2 wins
Michigan: No games
Ohio State: PSU 2 wins, OSU 2 wins

This hardly supports your argument, unless you are in fact not addressing my post and are instead trying to start a Straw Man Argument by merging the Post 2000 period with the Pre-2000 period, which was the period referenced in my post.

I would argue that, even during the 1990s (the first few years in the conference) we could still say that every few years we fielded a team that "could play with anybody." That had been my point, and the point of many others here. Sure we had some underperforming years, but there were also years where we could line up with anyone and not expect to lose the game. It's been a very long time since we have been able to feel that way, even with the addition of a young coach closing in on a hundred million dollars.

We certainly had a team that could beat anybody in 1994, and probably in 1999 -- a loaded team that was expected to contend for an NC, but screwed up by losing to Minnesota by one point. A lack of leadership then saw that team quit and lose two more games to close out the regular season. (Expectations were that the 1999 team would be like the 1994 team and go undefeated.) By then JVP was too old to be the HC, but hung on. He wound down on recruiting and the program went down hill. We had the Dark Years, Nepotism, then of course the Sandusky fiasco.

These were distinct periods -- pre-2000 versus post-2000. You are doing a disservice to our history by trying to blur the two, especially given the B1G's officiating corruption.

So our record in this conference should come with an asterisk. For many years B1G officiating crews, Witvoet chief among them, were hell-bent on protecting OSU and Michigan. Their game at the end of the year would be of lesser value if blemished by a loss to PSU. The corruption reached a crescendo in 2014 when even the feed for Instant Replay was somehow "lost." It was so bad that the issue could no longer be hidden. We got an apology, but still were not selected to play for an NC. That of course would be granted to OSU. But now we do things to lose these games anyway.

We were 7-6 in 2014, the season OSU won the title. In 2016 we didn't make the playoffs but we did lose an early game to Pitt. We beat Pitt( we would've made the playoffs. Yes we did beat osu but they only had one loss.

 

[AWS1022]

During the 1990s:

Iowa: PSU 4 wins, Iowa 1 win
Michigan: PSU 3 wins, Michigan 4 wins
Ohio State: PSU 3 wins, Michigan 4 wins

During the 1970s and 80s

Iowa: PSU 6 wins, Iowa 2 wins
Michigan: No games
Ohio State: PSU 2 wins, OSU 2 wins

This hardly supports your argument, unless you are in fact not addressing my post and are instead trying to start a Straw Man Argument by merging the Post 2000 period with the Pre-2000 period, which was the period referenced in my post.

I would argue that, even during the 1990s (the first few years in the conference) we could still say that every few years we fielded a team that "could play with anybody." That had been my point, and the point of many others here. Sure we had some underperforming years, but there were also years where we could line up with anyone and not expect to lose the game. It's been a very long time since we have been able to feel that way, even with the addition of a young coach closing in on a hundred million dollars.

We certainly had a team that could beat anybody in 1994, and probably in 1999 -- a loaded team that was expected to contend for an NC, but screwed up by losing to Minnesota by one point. A lack of leadership then saw that team quit and lose two more games to close out the regular season. (Expectations were that the 1999 team would be like the 1994 team and go undefeated.) By then JVP was too old to be the HC, but hung on. He wound down on recruiting and the program went down hill. We had the Dark Years, Nepotism, then of course the Sandusky fiasco.

These were distinct periods -- pre-2000 versus post-2000. You are doing a disservice to our history by trying to blur the two, especially given the B1G's officiating corruption.

So our record in this conference should come with an asterisk. For many years B1G officiating crews, Witvoet chief among them, were hell-bent on protecting OSU and Michigan. Their game at the end of the year would be of lesser value if blemished by a loss to PSU. The corruption reached a crescendo in 2014 when even the feed for Instant Replay was somehow "lost." It was so bad that the issue could no longer be hidden. We got an apology, but still were not selected to play for an NC. That of course would be granted to OSU. But now we do things to lose these games anyway.

After 94, we were 9-3 every year in the 90’s but one with losses to OSU almost every year…that’s hardly showing we could play with anyone. Overall, we were a slightly above average team since we joined the Big until recently except in the early 2000’s when we couldn’t beat anyone. We’ve been far better in the Big under Franklin than any other time in our existence in the league except for 94. And Franklin’s had to deal with OSU’s absolute dominance and Michigan’s dominance for a few years…things Paterno did not have to deal with. Had OSU been a perennial top 3 team every year while Joe was coaching, he likely would have been 1-10 against them as well.

 

[Obliviax]

 

[Lion_Backer]

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He reminds me alot of a young Ben Rothlisberger re his movement and pocket presence.

I wonder if DA is capable of doing those Big Ben pump fakes. I'm not sure if it was his hand size or grip strength, but Ben had the ability to move defenses using that technique.

 

[LandoComando]

He reminds me alot of a young Ben Rothlisberger re his movement and pocket presence.

I wonder if DA is capable of doing those Big Ben pump fakes. I'm not sure if it was his hand size or grip strength, but Ben had the ability to move defenses using that technique.

Drew talks about Josh Allen has the guy he tries to emulate but I agree with you--there's more Big Ben in his game. He's not Allen as a runner but with his arm, size and mobility I see a lot of Ben.

 

[Obliviax]

He reminds me alot of a young Ben Rothlisberger re his movement and pocket presence.

I wonder if DA is capable of doing those Big Ben pump fakes. I'm not sure if it was his hand size or grip strength, but Ben had the ability to move defenses using that technique.

Yep. Ben perfected the pump fake and moved Safeties with his eyes. It doesn't look like Drew has gotten there yet. Ben wasn't very fast as his 40 was 4.7+. Many people say Josh Allen or Herbert (Chargers) but Allar is not as fast as them. But if I am a GM, I don't want my QB running the ball with a 17-game schedule and four or five playoff games. Keeping a QB healthy has to be a priority. However, extending plays in the pocket and making the D respect your ability to run is important. Ben also entered the NFL draft at age 21 after playing 4 and starting 3 seasons in the MAC. All three played for years and entered the NFL draft at age 21. (Ben/Miami of Ohio, Allen Freely/Wyoming, Herbert/Oregon). All are in that 6-5/240 range.