And arm punts...Then gopher athletic supporters will have to get used to delayed handoffs five yards behind the line of scrimmage for losses of eight yards.
And Moorhead is fired
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Let's see....
> In 2018 he inherited a loaded roster full of excellent prospects courtesy of Dan Mullin.
> He inherited 18 returning starters.
> He inherited 3 NFL 1st round draft picks on Defense.
> He proceeded to have 8 disciplinary or NCAA violations in the 2 years.
> He proceeded to have his starting QB injured for a bowl game from a fight with a starting LB
Yes. 2 years is a "short leash" in terms of years. But gheez, in 2 years old Mastermind sure was digging a hole. At that rate, Miss State would have been scheduled for Rutgers homecoming game.
I agree that he inherited a reasonably talented roster but doesn't that mean he also inherited the same kids that had all of these discipline problems?
Franklin talks about recruiting kids that fit the program and that is both on and off the field. I guess you can take chances on kids that are top talents but look like future headaches but too many of them and you have a recipe for Urban Meyer/UF - like bombs going off after the prior regime has departed. Did Mullin leave more than talent in that locker room?
No tears for Moorhead, assuming they buy him out fully, he'll have made close to $15 million for 2 years' work.
Great post - I just shake my head at the idiots on this board who claim JM "made a mistake" by going to MSU.
Yes. Please do. I live in ATL. A co-worker of mine is an MSU alum who attends 2-3 games per year. He talks Bulldog football ad-nauseum to me ....... Please explain to me how you know more about MSU football than him.
He didn't make a financial mistake going to MSU by any means. If he had his pick of the the litter after his 2 years in Happy Valley however, I think he chose the wrong school to be HC at. He certainly could have made a lot of money and had far better job security at a host of openings after 2017 or if he had waited another year, 2018. Either way, he can certainly rest his head easy on his pillow stuffed with cash and be off to another place to make lots of money at dawn.
What disciplinary problems did MSU have under Dan Mullin?? Mullin is not known to have disciplinary problems on his teams, so not sure what you are implying with that. Dan Mullin did not "sneak" out of Starkville under suspicion like Urban did in Gainesville. Dan Mullin left Starkville on the up & up, only because he got the opportunity to coach at Florida.
Miss State had 18 returning starters on the 2018 team. That included 4 of the top 44 players selected in the NFL Draft (Jeffrey Simmons #19, Montez Sweat #26, Johnathan Abram #27 and Elgton Jenkins #44). None and I repeat NONE of those guys were considered disciplinary problems.
There is no denying or defending... Joe Moorhead inherited a very loaded roster. Many MSU people actually thought it was going to be a special year and thought if Dan Mullin could have stayed just 1 more year and coached that roster in 2018 they could have had a special season.
MSU people feel the 2018 team grossly under-achieved. And 2019 was just a mess. They also feel it was going downhill. The MSU people I know are pretty realistic. They all understand they are not going to beat Bama & LSU consistently in the SEC West. They realize they are not LSU or Bama. But they felt that under Dan Mullin they were consistently a 7-9 win team per year and on occasion could jump up, have a 10 win season, and knock one of those teams off. Under Moorhead, they were going in the wrong direction.
30 catches for 467yds and 4tds is super productive?
Do we know how many he dropped this year?
And that not meant as a knock on the guy.
"Probably saved Franklin's career"? I really enjoy your posts, but that's just nuts. So Moorhead is so marvelous, talented, innovative, bright, etc., that he saved Franklin's career, but can't save his own? And he's all those things, but winds up choosing a HC job in a conference, geographic, cultural, and recruiting environment that he knew absolutely nothing about? It sounds like all the accolades must have gone to his head and turned a smart guy dumb and blind. I have tremendous respect for Joe and will honor his contributions to PSU'S program forever, but no other major HC in college football has to put up with this kind of narrative but Franklin. And no one ever seems to be able to articulate why that is.
I do hope that Moorhead gets another opportunity and kills it, as long as it's not against PSU.
I didn't say that he had a bad year but i sure wouldn't call it a super productive year.
Translation from MSU-Adminspeak:
"We dont't want to pay the full buyout so we'll trash your good name and threaten lawfare until you agree to settle for less."
The poster i replied to called it super productive.
I'd be OK with productive.
Sign me up for a mistake that puts 15 million in the bank.
Moorhead is laughing all the way to the bank and probably happy to be out of there.
And Rahne in 2018 had McSorley and Miles Sanders and an Oline Moorhead would have given his right thumb for, an actual b1g caliber OL. And veteran receivers and a the best freshman TE I have ever seen. And the offense was ... well definitely no cure for cancer.
Coaching matters a lot. If you don't think coaching had a lot to do with what happened in 2016, we'll just have to disagree.
Coaching matters a lot. If you don't think coaching had a lot to do with what happened in 2016, we'll just have to disagree.
Great narrative but Moorhead was PSU's OC in 2017, not Rahne. Also, Barkley was still on the team. You probably mean 2018.
Once they settle in to their respective offices......fire them both.
Isn't firing someone for "discipline problems" in the SEC sort of like a politicians stepping down to "spend more time with their family"?
Guessing it was just a convenience excuse.
Or Urban stepping down due to health reasons?
Moorhead puts others ahead of himself. He’s a special friend that Franklin is very lucky to have.
I highly doubt Moorhead showed up and told the kids that skipping class or whatever the violations were was cool.
We don't know what lengths ANY school goes to to keep these kids eligible most of the time unless it comes out. Unless Moorhead had similar incidents at Fordham...
As for Mullen...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sb.../jeffery-simmons-mississippi-state-suspension
"Quick with a handshake and pat on the back, he gave off a welcoming vibe despite his northern mannerisms that seemed to put off a certain segment of diehard fans from the beginning. In hindsight, it took a lot of guts to come down here from where he did to take on one of the most sacred roles in the south. And while the aforementioned traits may translate into strong relationships for a banker or lawyer in the community, it just wasn’t meant to be for this particular football coach in this particular college town."
I suppose the next coach will not be a northerner. I can't get over "one of the most sacred roles in the south." What are the other sacred roles in the south?
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Reference Oregon version of Juwan Johnson...30 catches for 467 yards is a super productive career? Gotcha.
And that is why they can’t compete in the $Ec
One of the most sacred roles in the south? WTF? I hope they aren’t referring to the head coaching job at Mississippi State. Even if they are only talk about A head coaching job in the south, they have a really ****ed up culture.
The firing may have saved him from himself. He struck while the iron was hot, but in hindsight it was the wrong job, in the wrong part of the country, with the wrong fan base. Now he has another opportunity, if he desires, to get it right. Some folks here say he "won" regardless because of the $s, but if he's the man you say he is I'm sure he wants his story to be more than that. I watched several of his press conferences after losses and the stress he was under was painful to see. If "all things work together for good" is true he'll be fine.
Sounds to me like an attempt to "fire with cause." This is probably an attempt to get JoMo's reps to "negotiate down" his buyout. I hope that their recruiting class members appeal to the NCAA and leave them flat. Its a slimy move by MSU at this point in the year and looks like a sinister attempt by their administration to excuse their poor timing and keep the top recruiting class in tact.
Ridiculous. The most successful coach in MSU history is Dan Mullen, a good ‘ol boy from....the deep woods and dark swamps of Drexel Hill, PA. These excuses are pathetic. Best of luck to them in finding the right peckerwood to be the next HC.
Almost $15M for 2 years work? As Larry Zbyszko, IMHO one of the all-time great good guy to heel turns ever, once said, "The more bucks you got, the more friends you got."
JoMo has plenty of friends to show for the time he spent at MSU...
JoMo has plenty of friends to show for the time he spent at MSU...
