Anthony Lubrano, any thoughts on what to expect on Monday?

[StinkStankStunk]

Are you going to run? I would love to see you at these meetings tearing the old guard a new one. Seriously.

Hopefully demlion will run again. Of course, it will come down to whomever PS4RS endorses, which likely will be the established trustees.

PS4RS has always endorsed the folks who get the most votes from "us" (aside from, IIRC, the year that only one person submitted nominations - when Tribeck replaced Abstinator Talieferro - and there wasn't any real "primary")....so, in the end, it is most definitely OUR choice, no matter how you slice it.

I agree, Larry Schultz would be a huge asset on the Board.

 

[wensilver]

Maybe the saddest element of this situation:

We SHOULD be hoping that this story should be broadcast far and wide........and as loudly as possible.

Without question.

Because the "story" is this: A small Star Chamber of Scoundrels - led by Ira Lubert - decided to declare C/S/S/JVP both aware of, and liable for, Sandusky's activities......and how they used GINORMOUS sums of Penn State's $$$$$$ to silence the claimants (even those with the most ludicrous "claims") in order to buy protection for themselves and their 2nd Mile Cohorts (Heim, Raykovic, etc)



It is no one's fault but ours that THAT story is not "leading the news" (OK, in fairness, there are probably a lot of folks that share the blame......but it is certainly true that "we" have done NOTHING to bring that story to the forefront. And we are the ones who will now bitch about the "stupid" media, so we probably have the greatest obligation to have brought the true story forward)

If nothing else - we've had 9 folks sitting behind microphones for hours on end, every other month - and for YEARS (aside from A Lubrano) we haven't even seen those folks (the folks placed in a fiduciary role, and granted authority and responsibility to speak to the issues) say dick.

It has been inexcusable, bewildering, and pathetic. And it is very costly.

Personally, I am sick to the point of nausea with the "the media is stupid", "people are stupid", "the Scoundrels are bad" crap (all of which are true).....when we have folks who are SUPPOSED to be on the righteous side, sitting there with their thumbs up their asses - and we refuse to tell them to "shit or get off the pot".......when we have BOT meetings (that at one time would draw 100, 200 members of the public) that now draw a few dozen die-hards - - - largely because their own representatives have become wax figures (or worse) wrt anything that doesn't involve "JVP and 409"


If that doesn't change........nothing else is gonna' matter.

Does anyone care?

FWIW - several reporters at the Philadelphia Inquirer have made aware repeatedly of Philadelphia businessman Ira Lubert's chairing of the Legal Subcommittee and the secretive "vetting" process, Second Mile, along with other issues of concern and to probe further for the story there.


Susan Snyder, Angela Couloumbis, Craig McCoy, Mark Fazlollah, Jeremy Roebuck & Chris Palmer - I'm looking at you.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Lord was vocal for awhile. What happened there?

Too many skeletons in the closet....that would be my guess, anyway. And some of those skeletons were being floated around the media. Alumni voters probably should have heeded the early warnings on that one.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Pic of PSU BOT vetting and settling with 'victims'....

 

[GTACSA]

Although I have no idea what the specific language is in PMA's contract with PSU it's hard to believe that any liability insurer would ever form a contract of insurance which would permit an insured to negotiate a settlement using the insurer's money. Which is why I've never understood from the get-go how PSU expected to do its own negotiation with Sandusky victims and still be indemnified by PMA.

You might find this interesting regarding how this bad faith litigation started.

http://www.kilpatricktownsend.com/~...nitz VDuke ABA Section of Litigation 311.ashx

 

[StinkStankStunk]

FWIW - several reporters at the Philadelphia Inquirer have made aware repeatedly of Philadelphia businessman Ira Lubert's chairing of the Legal Subcommittee and the secretive "vetting" process, Second Mile, along with other issues of concern and to probe further for the story there.


Susan Snyder, Angela Couloumbis, Craig McCoy, Mark Fazlollah, Jeremy Roebuck & Chris Palmer - I'm looking at you.

Absolutely W.

Re-reading my post, perhaps I should have been more specific and more pointed in my comment. The way I wrote it could be taken as dismissive of all of the efforts that have been put forward.

Plenty of the "Us" folks - you, folks at PS4RS, and other regular folk HAVE BEEN screaming from the mountaintops - - - - and, more importantly, working like the Devil to engage the media folks.

I was trying to be "nice" by not calling out any more specifically those folks who have the responsibility and the standing to say more - and to make a greater impact - but time after time after time, refuse to do so. Those folks, of course, include our Elected 9 Trustees (among others) - whom we DO HAVE the power to elect ....

 

[lubrano]

In fairness......next March we will here from three folks (the three who are up for re-election ) for about a 60 day window - telling us about all they are doing "behind the scenes"....and posting some "409 Selfies".

Now, that being said, "it is up to us" to use those seats - that we have the power to fill - in a more productive way.
Take away A Lub....and what do we have?

In a rather ironic twist, Ira Lubert served three years from 1997-2000 as a Trustee elected by the "Industrial Societies." This process was controlled by PMA not unlike the control exerted by the Farm Bureau in the election of Trustees by the Agricultural Societies.

This story illuminates the relationship:

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archives/article_a5b37c28-faa9-528d-92f7-321a5a437d0e.html

In 2000, Fred Anton, President and CEO of the Pennsylvania Manufacturers Association (PMA) and Pennsylvania Manufacturers Insurance Company, wanted to replace Ira. He turned to Ted Junker, then Board Chair, to do the dirty work. Needless to say, Ira was infuriated. Consequently, Ira made known his intentions to remove Penn State from his will. That led to Joe Paterno inviting Ira to attend Super Bowl XXXV at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, FL as Joe's guest on January 28, 2001. Along with Tim Curley, they flew with Ira on his plane but Joe paid for the tickets out of his pocket.

Ira was subsequently appointed to the Board by former Gov Ed Rendell and re-appointed by former Gov Tom Corbett.

In 2002, then Board Chair Ed Hintz, a Trustee "elected" by Industrial Societies, appointed Cynthia Baldwin, then Board Vice-Chair, to chair an Ad Hoc Committee to study and recommend changes to the election process of the Industrial Societies. The result of this effort was to take this process "in house" and refer to this group as Business and Industry Trustees. Of course, some of Penn State's largest donors are from this group.

Here's a link to information on the 2002 election:

http://www.psu.edu/ur/2002/bot18jan02officers.html

So here we are, in litigation with PMA.

 

[Ski]

In fairness......next March we will hear from three folks (the three who are up for re-election ) for about a 60 day window - telling us about all they are doing "behind the scenes"....and posting some "409 Selfies".

Now, that being said, "it is up to us" to use those seats - that we have the power to fill - in a more productive way.
Take away A Lub....and what do we have?

All the more reason that the alumni need to put Larry Schultz and Ryan Bagwell on their ballots. These are people that have taken public action and been persistent throughout the last 4+ years. Campaign promises are not enough. When they come up for reelection, we will have seen 3 years of action (inaction) from those people. Facebook posts and alleged 'behind the scenes' actions are not good enough.

We have maxed out on the quantity of non-a$$ kissing alumni reps we can put on the board. It is now time to up the quality of the alumni representatives on it. BoT, up yours.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

All the more reason that the alumni need to put Larry Schultz and Ryan Bagwell on their ballots. These are people that have taken public action and been persistent throughout the last 4+ years. Campaign promises are not enough. When they come up for reelection, we will have seen 3 years of action (inaction) from those people. Facebook posts and alleged 'behind the scenes' actions are not good enough.

We have maxed out on the quantity of non-a$$ kissing alumni reps we can put on the board. It is now time to up the quality of the alumni representatives on it. BoT, up yours.

Bing-Freaking-O!!!!

More Winston Churchills....less Neville Chamberlains

We need "wartime consiglieres".....we need - as I have said many times before - Heroes.

 

[artsandletters]

FWIW - several reporters at the Philadelphia Inquirer have made aware repeatedly of Philadelphia businessman Ira Lubert's chairing of the Legal Subcommittee and the secretive "vetting" process, Second Mile, along with other issues of concern and to probe further for the story there.


Susan Snyder, Angela Couloumbis, Craig McCoy, Mark Fazlollah, Jeremy Roebuck & Chris Palmer - I'm looking at you.

A resourceful out of town reporter would sit her/his ass on a barstool weeknights for a month at Smith & Wollensky on Rittenhouse Square and learn plenty. Isn't that how it used to be done?

 

[PSUSignore]

All the more reason that the alumni need to put Larry Schultz and Ryan Bagwell on their ballots. These are people that have taken public action and been persistent throughout the last 4+ years. Campaign promises are not enough. When they come up for reelection, we will have seen 3 years of action (inaction) from those people. Facebook posts and alleged 'behind the scenes' actions are not good enough.

We have maxed out on the quantity of non-a$$ kissing alumni reps we can put on the board. It is now time to up the quality of the alumni representatives on it. BoT, up yours.

Agree, but unfortunately a PS4RS endorsement is pretty much required for anyone that wants to get elected. Bagwell did not seek that last time, and I can understand that decision. Larry sought one but did not receive it. In the current environment, running without one is basically pointless, PS4RS controls the election.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Agree, but unfortunately a PS4RS endorsement is pretty much required for anyone that wants to get elected. Bagwell did not seek that last time, and I can understand that decision. Larry sought one but did not receive it. In the current environment, running without one is basically pointless, PS4RS controls the election.

The PS4RS primary is - without a doubt - VERY important.

I don't know how many times I posted here last spring - "Go over to the PS4RS site, register, and VOTE" (must have been over 100 times)

I don't know how many folks did that (I hope it was quite a few).....but, in any event:
Anyone who did - way to go!
Anyone who did not - shame on you - - - - and don't be lazy next time!

It is up to us.

 

[wensilver]

A resourceful out of town reporter would sit her/his ass on a barstool weeknights for a month at Smith & Wollensky on Rittenhouse Square and learn plenty. Isn't that how it used to be done?

A resourceful reporter would sit his or her ass on a digital barstool for a month at the McAndrew 19th Hole & BBQ Emporium and learn plenty.

 

[psudukie]

Hmmm I have heard the former restaurant in town here (prospectors) was quite and information hub.

 

[Bobpsu]

In fairness......next March we will hear from three folks (the three who are up for re-election ) for about a 60 day window - telling us about all they are doing "behind the scenes"....and posting some "409 Selfies".

Now, that being said, "it is up to us" to use those seats - that we have the power to fill - in a more productive way.
Take away A Lub....and what do we have?

Look asshole try walking in their shoes before you bitch so much. You only think you know what is going on .

 

[Aoshiro]

Lord was vocal for awhile. What happened there?

He got dragged into the Fatah mess.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Look asshole try walking in their shoes before you bitch so much. You only think you know what is going on .

Appreciate your insight

 

[91Joe95]

You might find this interesting regarding how this bad faith litigation started.

http://www.kilpatricktownsend.com/~/media/Files/articles/2015/EDominitz VDuke ABA Section of Litigation 311.ashx

Who wants to bet PSU simply didn't like PMA's answer to verify the claims first and PSU went ahead anyways?

 

[artsandletters]

A resourceful reporter would sit his or her ass on a digital barstool for a month at the McAndrew 19th Hole & BBQ Emporium and learn plenty.

Where are they? And what's a digital barstool? Thumb up the butt?

 

[jerseylion109]

Is this definitely being released today? Can anyone confirm

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Is this definitely being released today? Can anyone confirm

 

[jubaaltman]

All in one enema kit for Oracle.

 

[artsandletters]

Don't need no xanax. I'm looking forward to getting angry.

 

[artsandletters]

All in one enema kit for Oracle.

Classic pnnylion.

 

[lyndj]

Given the incestuous relationship between the BOT and PMA, it's difficult to imagine that this entire scenario wasn't the plan from very early on.

The university was always going to take the hit, and they knew it.

If anyone believed otherwise, they must be the folks who are still waiting for Iraqi oil to pay for the war. That check isn't coming either.

So, if this is indeed the case, who has the capability to hold the BOT (or the Settlement Kings of the BOT) responsible for being financially irresponsible and settling claims for which they did not have PMA cooperation? Yes, I know the Alumni on working on exposing them but who has the power to relieve them of their duties on the BOT? Is it the Gov?

 

[wensilver]

So, if this is indeed the case, who has the capability to hold the BOT (or the Settlement Kings of the BOT) responsible for being financially irresponsible and settling claims for which they did not have PMA cooperation? Yes, I know the Alumni on working on exposing them but who has the power to relieve them of their duties on the BOT? Is it the Gov?

I would think, perhaps, the Auditor General could stick the proverbial camel's nose under the tent flap.

 

[artsandletters]

I would think, perhaps, the Auditor General could stick the proverbial camel's nose under the tent flap.

Do you think Rendell's phone has been busy?

 

[91Joe95]

In a rather ironic twist, Ira Lubert served three years from 1997-2000 as a Trustee elected by the "Industrial Societies." This process was controlled by PMA not unlike the control exerted by the Farm Bureau in the election of Trustees by the Agricultural Societies.

This story illuminates the relationship:

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archives/article_a5b37c28-faa9-528d-92f7-321a5a437d0e.html

In 2000, Fred Anton, President and CEO of the Pennsylvania Manufacturers Association (PMA) and Pennsylvania Manufacturers Insurance Company, wanted to replace Ira. He turned to Ted Junker, then Board Chair, to do the dirty work. Needless to say, Ira was infuriated. Consequently, Ira made known his intentions to remove Penn State from his will. That led to Joe Paterno inviting Ira to attend Super Bowl XXXV at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, FL as Joe's guest on January 28, 2001. Along with Tim Curley, they flew with Ira on his plane but Joe paid for the tickets out of his pocket.

Ira was subsequently appointed to the Board by former Gov Ed Rendell and re-appointed by former Gov Tom Corbett.

In 2002, then Board Chair Ed Hintz, a Trustee "elected" by Industrial Societies, appointed Cynthia Baldwin, then Board Vice-Chair, to chair an Ad Hoc Committee to study and recommend changes to the election process of the Industrial Societies. The result of this effort was to take this process "in house" and refer to this group as Business and Industry Trustees. Of course, some of Penn State's largest donors are from this group.

Here's a link to information on the 2002 election:

http://www.psu.edu/ur/2002/bot18jan02officers.html

So here we are, in litigation with PMA.

I didn't think it was possible to have even less respect for Ira Lubert, until I read that.

 

[KSLion]

You might find this interesting regarding how this bad faith litigation started.

http://www.kilpatricktownsend.com/~/media/Files/articles/2015/EDominitz VDuke ABA Section of Litigation 311.ashx

Have to wonder if PMA's initial communications limitation with PSU regards its position on the Doe A claim might've been the result of a belief that no coverage existed and thus the refusal to "participate and cooperate" in any defense.

 

[artsandletters]

Have to wonder if PMA's initial communications limitation with PSU regards its position on the Doe A claim might've been the result of a belief that no coverage existed and thus the refusal to "participate and cooperate" in any defense.

They are all sleeping in the same bed. Someone is hogging the blankets.

 

[GTACSA]

Have to wonder if PMA's initial communications limitation with PSU regards its position on the Doe A claim might've been the result of a belief that no coverage existed and thus the refusal to "participate and cooperate" in any defense.

Typically when an insurer gives an insured a notice of reservation of rights, it means that although the insurer believes there is no coverage for the underlying claim, they still afford the insured a defense. Without looking at the Complaint I'm not sure what was going on with regard to the defense of the initial suit.

 

[lubrano]

He got dragged into the Fatah mess.

Al Lord remains extremely engaged. He too has been rigorously involved in a review of the Freeh Source Materials.

I do not expect him to go quietly into the night.

By the way, the Fattah prosecution had no bearing on Al Lord. Outside of testifying on the second day of that trial, he was uninvolved.

On a personal level and without disrespect to my Board colleagues, I wish the Board had more Al Lord's.

 

[bwifan]

Al Lord remains extremely engaged. He too has been rigorously involved in a review of the Freeh Source Materials.

I do not expect him to go quietly into the night.

By the way, the Fattah prosecution had no bearing on Al Lord. Outside of testifying on the second day of that trial, he was uninvolved.

On a personal level and without disrespect to my Board colleagues, I wish the Board had more Al Lord's.

Now that is good to hear. Keeping pushing and shining lights in dark rooms!

 

[Michael.Felli]

The facts, details and relevance of the story are totally determined by the media. People have basically become mindless sheep. Their ideas are formulated and manipulated by what the media drones into their ears and puts in front of them on the Internet. So, IMO what happens today really depends on the news cycle. Obviously the biggest story going right now which is dominating the news is the Black Lives Matter/Police story. Is this still the biggest story later today? Does the news media place stories about Penn State/Joe Paterno and Sandusky ahead of the BLM/Police stories? The BLM/Police story has been the huge story since last week. Does the media decide that this story is getting old and they need a new headline piece, or do they feel it is still grabbing the attention of the masses?? Unfortunately 90% of the public will have an opinion based solely on what the media outlets tell them by way of their narrative. If this story is buried deep below other stories such as more BLM/Police stuff or Trump/Hillary stuff, then we are OK. If this story gets elevated to headline status, then it is another sh%$-storm.

Funny. When I meet the anti-JoePa "He covered up for a pedophile" crowd, in addition to other questions, I always ask why they are getting their criminal news - and believing it, btw - from a sports channel (ESPN)?

I usually get a blank stare, afterwards.

 

[lyndj]

Ya' think?

Laugh, or cry? And where was the outrage - - or at least the questioning - - for the last four years?







Why?

Agree, but unfortunately a PS4RS endorsement is pretty much required for anyone that wants to get elected. Bagwell did not seek that last time, and I can understand that decision. Larry sought one but did not receive it. In the current environment, running without one is basically pointless, PS4RS controls the election.

But isn't that a problem too?

 

[Aoshiro]

Al Lord remains extremely engaged. He too has been rigorously involved in a review of the Freeh Source Materials.

I do not expect him to go quietly into the night.

By the way, the Fattah prosecution had no bearing on Al Lord. Outside of testifying on the second day of that trial, he was uninvolved.

On a personal level and without disrespect to my Board colleagues, I wish the Board had more Al Lord's.

Thanks for the clarification. I do think that there are some people here on this board who mistakenly believe that because the alumni trustees are not posting on this board every day, they are not doing anything at all.

 

[simons96]

Thanks for the clarification. I do think that there are some people here on this board who mistakenly believe that because the alumni trustees are not posting on this board every day, they are not doing anything at all.

most of them have FB pages they update frequently. and twitter accounts.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Thanks for the clarification. I do think that there are some people here on this board who mistakenly believe that because the alumni trustees are not posting on this board every day, they are not doing anything at all.

FWIW - and I DO NOT assume you are including me in the group you reference, but just my opinion on the matter - I don't care if any of the Elected Trustees EVER post on this board (or any other board).

I ABSOLUTELY appreciate that ALub uses the forum to deliver some information that most of us find useful, but I most certainly don't expect, or even much care, if they all do that.


What I DO care about - - - - VERY MUCH - - - is that the Trustees, all of them, but most importantly the handful of Trustees that we actually elect (because I think we can "write off" the large majority of the un-elected)......DO - THEIR - FREAKING - JOB!

ie Act as proper fiduciaries, and CONSISTENTLY stand up against acts of malfeasance and fiduciary misconduct.

THAT is what I would like to see.
They - as a group - HAVE NOT done that. It is that simple.

That does not require that all 9 elected Trustees be "fighters" (though we have far too little of that on the Board).....but it DOES require that all 9 are VERY active, and VERY engaged, and VERY public in opposing those things they should be opposing, and in supporting those things they should support.

In a perfect world (or even a non-completely-FUBAR world), with an appropriate Board structure, all you need are folks who are intelligent, have some level of expertise, and are committed to putting the INSTITUTION ahead of personal self-interests.

We DO NOT have a perfect world on the BOT
Therefore, we NEED something different (something more)....

1 - We need righteous fighters - who will vociferously oppose the Scoundrels (that is the case with any minority voice, and especially when the majority has shown the clear willingness to impose their will through brute force)
2 - We need folks with legal expertise - because "fighting against the Scoundrels" with "intelligent argument and diplomacy", alone, is a non-starter. Any battles that we will win are likely to require legal intervention
3 - We need folks with $$$$ or access to $$$$ - because the fights will not be cheap.
4 - And we need folks who will rally and inform the constituency - because being aware of the Scoundrel's malfeasance, and rallying masses to support the opposition, are CRITICAL if true reform is to occur.

We don't need 9 Anthony Lubranos......or 9 Al Lords....or whatever - - - - but we NEED those skills on the Board (the ones I listed above) - and we need them in abundance.
I could go into this in a lot more detail (as I have done in the past), but I won't revisit that entire deal right now. I could list and discuss - in detail - numerous relevant instances.......but all we have to do is look at what is coming down the pike right now (the "settlement release" and the "coronoation of Lubert/Dambly") and honestly ask ourselves

"Why the F hasn't there been a forceful voice? We've had FOUR YEARS to make a stand wrt both of these issues (by standing up to crooks like Dambly, and standing up with questions and opposition about the "secret settlement committee")?
Where was that voice? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

I won't go through the entire BOT roster........but we, clearly, do NOT have enough of what we need (to even have a decent shot).
We need to get better.......a lot better.

It is what it is.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

most of them have FB pages they update frequently. and twitter accounts.

FWIW......the MOST RECENT FB posts for some of these folks:

Bob Jubelirer - April 13:




Bob Jubelirer - PSU Alumni Trustee
April 13 ·


I am pleased to endorse for re-election to the Penn State Board of Trustees my three colleagues, Ted Brown, Barb Doran and Bill Oldsey. I've had the privilege of working with them for two years on the Board. It is a very tough job and they work very hard and are totally committed to Penn State and to seeking the truth after the actions taken by the Board on November 9, 2011. Ted, Barb, Bill and the rest of our team support the restoration of the Joe Paterno statue and continuing our fight for transparency. It has been an honor for me to work with them and the other alumni- elected trustees in the best interests of Penn State. Please vote to send them back to the Board to finish the job started by Anthony Lubrano, Ryan McCombie and others just a few short years ago!

Ted Brown:

Aside from campaign posts that ran from February through May....and the occasional JVP Memorial Posts.....I don't see anything

Barb Doran - April 16:



Barbara Doran with Ted Brown and Bill Oldsey in University Park, Pennsylvania.
April 16 ·


At the Penn State blue white game today...!




I could go through the whole list - but you get the point.


As I said......I DO NOT CARE if a Trustee EVER posts on FB or Twitter or this board....I only want them to DO THEIR JOB.
What WOULD be meaningful to see - available publically one way or the other - are "position papers", commentary on issues of interest, etc etc etc

But, I just wanted to illustrate that they - most of them, as a rule - most certainly DO NOT maintain any type of "social media" interaction regarding issues or positions with the constituents.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

Where are they? And what's a digital barstool? Thumb up the butt?

I believe CR666 has a digital barstool at Teterboro.