Anthony Lubrano, any thoughts on what to expect on Monday?

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

They are all sleeping in the same bed. Someone is hogging the blankets.

Problem is they're all now sharing the wet spot...

 

[BobPSU92]

So nothing has been unsealed today?

 

[jerseylion109]

Judge said 31 days from June 10 so maybe tomorrow

 

[Zenophile]

I believe CR666 has a digital barstool at Teterboro.

 

[Cruising Route 66]

Are you going to run? I would love to see you at these meetings tearing the old guard a new one. Seriously. Now that's pretty funny. Someone who who took money from the university as an instructor and then didn't give his students the class time they were paying for...... running for a Board seat and being critical of the old guard. The only seat Stink deserves is the one at Rockview that's wired for fireworks.

Hopefully demlion will run again. Maybe he will but IMO I doubt it. When Dem in his current "search for the truth, is unable to turn up anything that impeaches Freeh's conclusions, apathy will set in just like it looks like it has for some of the alumni elected trustees and Joebots. Of course, it will come down to whomever PS4RS endorses, which likely will be the established trustees.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Thank you.....a "zippy" little comedy show by the Piss-Boy is always good for a Monday afternoon!!

 

[Phil's Rug]

 

[Aoshiro]

FWIW - and I DO NOT assume you are including me in the group you reference, but just my opinion on the matter - I don't care if any of the Elected Trustees EVER post on this board (or any other board).

I ABSOLUTELY appreciate that ALub uses the forum to deliver some information that most of us find useful, but I most certainly don't expect, or even much care, if they all do that.


What I DO care about - - - - VERY MUCH - - - is that the Trustees, all of them, but most importantly the handful of Trustees that we actually elect (because I think we can "write off" the large majority of the un-elected)......DO - THEIR - FREAKING - JOB!

ie Act as proper fiduciaries, and CONSISTENTLY stand up against acts of malfeasance and fiduciary misconduct.

THAT is what I would like to see.
They - as a group - HAVE NOT done that. It is that simple.

That does not require that all 9 elected Trustees be "fighters" (though we have far too little of that on the Board).....but it DOES require that all 9 are VERY active, and VERY engaged, and VERY public in opposing those things they should be opposing, and in supporting those things they should support.

In a perfect world (or even a non-completely-FUBAR world), with an appropriate Board structure, all you need are folks who are intelligent, have some level of expertise, and are committed to putting the INSTITUTION ahead of personal self-interests.

We DO NOT have a perfect world on the BOT
Therefore, we NEED something different (something more)....

1 - We need righteous fighters - who will vociferously oppose the Scoundrels (that is the case with any minority voice, and especially when the majority has shown the clear willingness to impose their will through brute force)
2 - We need folks with legal expertise - because "fighting against the Scoundrels" with "intelligent argument and diplomacy", alone, is a non-starter. Any battles that we will win are likely to require legal intervention
3 - We need folks with $$$$ or access to $$$$ - because the fights will not be cheap.
4 - And we need folks who will rally and inform the constituency - because being aware of the Scoundrel's malfeasance, and rallying masses to support the opposition, are CRITICAL if true reform is to occur.

We don't need 9 Anthony Lubranos......or 9 Al Lords....or whatever - - - - but we NEED those skills on the Board (the ones I listed above) - and we need them in abundance.
I could go into this in a lot more detail (as I have done in the past), but I won't revisit that entire deal right now. I could list and discuss - in detail - numerous relevant instances.......but all we have to do is look at what is coming down the pike right now (the "settlement release" and the "coronoation of Lubert/Dambly") and honestly ask ourselves

"Why the F hasn't there been a forceful voice? We've had FOUR YEARS to make a stand wrt both of these issues (by standing up to crooks like Dambly, and standing up with questions and opposition about the "secret settlement committee")?
Where was that voice? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

I won't go through the entire BOT roster........but we, clearly, do NOT have enough of what we need (to even have a decent shot).
We need to get better.......a lot better.

It is what it is.

Getting access to the Freeh files was a HUGE accomplishment for the alumni-elected trustees.
And going through that material is a HUGE undertaking.
I don't know why you are actively seeking to undermine the people who have been working so hard.

 

[gslachta]

I think the B

Although I have no idea what the specific language is in PMA's contract with PSU it's hard to believe that any liability insurer would ever form a contract of insurance which would permit an insured to negotiate a settlement using the insurer's money. Which is why I've never understood from the get-go how PSU expected to do its own negotiation with Sandusky victims and still be indemnified by PMA.

I think the BOT said "Who knew? (TIC). They were told early in this debacle this would happen. Everyone knew but them!!!!!

 

[Aoshiro]

Maybe he will but IMO I doubt it.When Dem in his current "search for the truth, is unable toturn up anything that impeaches Freeh's conclusions, apathy will set in just like it looks like it has for some of the alumni elected trustees and Joebots

There is going to be plenty that impeaches Freeh's conclusions. Heck, we already know that he lied about Schultz's "secret" file. Louis is a liar. He says and does anything for money. Just last week he was in Paris to support Iranian terrorists.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Getting access to the Freeh files was a HUGE accomplishment for the alumni-elected trustees.
And going through that material is a HUGE undertaking.
I don't know why you are actively seeking to undermine the people who have been working so hard.

LOL.....Your last comment is just silly.

I have been, and will continue to, do whatever I can to further proper governance for Penn State - no matter how small the impact may be......even if it includes trying to drag an uncooperative horse to water.

Period.

I have - often - acknowledged the magnitude of the tasks (including the Freeh Stuff). I also know that unless the folks who are going to be the "face of the Freeh Debunking" are proper governors themselves....it will all be for naught (as far as having any positive impact on University governance is concerned).

Many folks (and this may or may not include you, I won't presume) are clearly more concerned with "undermining" an individual, or "undermining" some tangential cause.....even if that means they are sabotaging - or at least handicapping - the pursuit of responsible governance.

Other than that, I will hold to my belief that you are a fundamentally good and decent lady - - - and leave it at that.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I would think, perhaps, the Auditor General could stick the proverbial camel's nose under the tent flap.

Or the "Solicitor General", Bruce Castor, since the AG has effectively granted all their authority to him.

 

[Bob78]

So, John, by stating that Freeh's conclusions were accurate, you are reversing your previously stated position that JVP had no part in any cover-up of Sandusky's crimes. (And I was never clear if you stated that you thought there was a cover-up of any sort by anyone in the first place.)
Now you are stating that Freeh's conclusions regarding JVP and his participation in a cover-up have merit? Why the change?
To state that Freeh's conclusions have merit is a bold statement. Not even all the OGBOT seem to believe that.

What is your opinion on the involvement of TSM, whose leaders have stated that they were informed by PSU (anti-cover-up) and purposely decided to do nothing, not even the minimum as required by law? No implications for TSM? And by extension, those OGBOT members who were very involved with TSM.... e.g. Lubert? No responsibility in your mind? Or not even any curiosity about what they knew and when and what they did NOT do about it?
But now Freeh's conclusions are spot-on? Interesting. You did not answer me the last time I posed this to you. Maybe you don't want to dig into this particular bunker too deeply?

 

[Royal_Coaster]

I believe CR666 has a digital barstool at Teterboro.

ZIppy turns the stool upside down so he and 3 of his closest friends can perch on the feet.

 

[91Joe95]

 

[Cruising Route 66]

So, John, by stating that Freeh's conclusions were accurate, you are reversing your previously stated position that JVP had no part in any cover-up of Sandusky's crimes. (And I was never clear if you stated that you thought there was a cover-up of any sort by anyone in the first place.)
Now you are stating that Freeh's conclusions regarding JVP and his participation in a cover-up have merit? Why the change?
To state that Freeh's conclusions have merit is a bold statement. Not even all the OGBOT seem to believe that.

If memory serves me I don't believe Freeh ever used the words "cover up" in his report. What he did say is that "four of the most powerful people of the university failed to protect a child sexual predator from harming children". IMO, their actions support that conclusion.

What is your opinion on the involvement of TSM, whose leaders have stated that they were informed by PSU (anti-cover-up) and purposely decided to do nothing, not even the minimum as required by law? No implications for TSM? And by extension, those OGBOT members who were very involved with TSM.... e.g. Lubert? No responsibility in your mind? The "child in the shower" event was witnessed by a PSU person in a PSU facility. From where I sit, PSU had the primary responsibility to notify the police and/or child services and no one else whether it was Jerry Sandusky or Ira Lubert being the perp. End of story. Or not even any curiosity about what they knew and when and what they did NOT do about it? I could care less what anyone from TSM knew or was told about the shower incident. The only people who worry about that stuff are those trying to shift the blame to other parties and that's what PSU did and Graham couching it by saying "it was the humane thing to do".
But now Freeh's conclusions are spot-on? I don't think I ever used the word "spot on". If I'm wrong please correct me. Interesting. You did not answer me the last time I posed this to you. Maybe you don't want to dig into this particular bunker too deeply?

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Douchebagius Zippius Maximus

 

[Nellie R]

Pic of PSU BOT vetting and settling with 'victims'....

HAHAHAHAHA! May I please borrow this to be used "at the appropriate time" ?

 

[berkland4]

"I could care less what anyone from TSM knew or was told about the shower incident. The only people who worry about that stuff are those trying to shift the blame to other parties and that's what PSU did and Graham couching it by saying "it was the humane thing to do".
But now Freeh's conclusions are spot-on? I don't think I ever used the word "spot on". If I'm wrong please correct me."

Wow! You don't care that the executive director (who is a licensed child psychologist) of a state licensed children's charity (whose mission was to serve AT RISK youth) was told of an incident in which its founder and face was discovered in a shower (again) with a child from the charity you are at the helm of and his response was "next time you shower with a child, make sure you wear swim trunks.". Really?

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

'Twas a shame the 4 most powerful people at Penn State didn't have access to the Dallas PD robot. They could have sent it into the shower based on MMs unequivocal belief, and blown Sandusky up. Damn shame. CR666 would now be appeased.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

HAHAHAHAHA! May I please borrow this to be used "at the appropriate time" ?

Not my creation and borrowed it myself from another meme - I'm sure you'll use it well . You may also call Ira 'Spanky'.

 

[Nellie R]

FWIW - several reporters at the Philadelphia Inquirer have made aware repeatedly of Philadelphia businessman Ira Lubert's chairing of the Legal Subcommittee and the secretive "vetting" process, Second Mile, along with other issues of concern and to probe further for the story there.


Susan Snyder, Angela Couloumbis, Craig McCoy, Mark Fazlollah, Jeremy Roebuck & Chris Palmer - I'm looking at you.

Emphasis added. Do these people creep for stories here by any chance?

 

[Nellie R]

'Twas a shame the 4 most powerful people at Penn State didn't have access to the Dallas PD robot. They could have sent it into the shower based on MMs unequivocal belief, and blown Sandusky up. Damn shame. CR666 would now be appeased.

Too soon for me on that one. We're having the Public Vigil tonight.

 

[Bob78]

You implied that Freeh was now spot on by indicating that Dem et. al. would find nothing to refute his conclusions. Whether or not he used the phrase "cover up", he implied it and the media ran with it and no one on the OGBOT refuted it. Much later, and too late, Barron stated it but it had no legs given where he stated it.

So, while you answered the 'cover up' question from me way back when, without parsing words, you're now skirting the question.

I disagree that four people at PSU failed to protect a child - they reported it appropriately to people who had explicit responsibility to handle the issue thoroughly. And to ignore TSM is completely disingenuous - it is where the focus should be! You know damn well they had responsibility and failed miserably. The question is why did TSM allow this to transpire? And why did key members of the OGBOT, who had strong ties to TSM, allow it to play out the way they did?

I think anyone with a genuine intellectual curiosity should be asking those questions in earnest, and until truthful answers are provided. Thankfully, we have a group of people who have the courage to stand up and do just that.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Zippy, er I mean Black Elmo sure is making this thread fun to read. With all his made up 'Facts' and supposed Due Process.

 

[kentuckycb]

Joe testified under oath that he didn't cover anything up...why do you not believe him? Or why do you believe Freeh over Joe...it's really that simple of a question.

 

[BobPSU92]

Joe testified under oath that he didn't cover anything up...why do you not believe him? Or why do you believe Freeh over Joe...it's really that simple of a question.

Obviously because of freeh's track record versus Joe's.

In other words, because he's a troll or an idiot or both.

 

[kentuckycb]

Obviously because of freeh's track record versus Joe's.

In other words, because he's a troll or an idiot or both.

It's interesting to me that people forget that Joe testified under oath. The question most people care about was asked and answered. You either believe Joe or you don't. I'd be interested to hear why someone doesn't believe Joe...regardless of Freeh.

 

[lubrano]

John, are you so certain that the review will result in the findings you suggest?

I'm certainly not.

 

[BobPSU92]

John, are you so certain that the review will result in the findings you suggest?

I'm certainly not.

john zipay (aka cruising route 66) hasn't been right about anything on this subject yet. Five years, and wrong every time. Now that's some track record.

 

[kentuckycb]

John, are you so certain that the review will result in the findings you suggest?

I'm certainly not.

I'm fine with a review. But we really don't need one. All of the men in question testified under oath that they did nothing with intent to put children in danger. That's really the end of the story.

Spanier has done so multiple times now...which is all public record.

 

[BowieLion]

CR66 said above in post #97, "I could care less what anyone from TSM knew or was told about the shower incident." Hmmmm, why is that? Because TSM is where the victims were from and you have "friends" there? BECAUSE THEY WERE THE PROFESSIONALS PERHAPS?!?!?!

 

[bwifan]

Hey Zipster a.k.a. Black Elmo... Where are the documents Mr. Lubrano asked you for 2 months ago? Your lying again son... Back to your broken a/c window units...

 

[wensilver]

"Making The World A Better Place Just By Showing Up"

What.A.Tool

 

[green2623]

If there were payments made and accepted, confidentiality statements made and signed, prior to the Grand Jury Presentment, and the indictments. The question remains... who was covering whose * .

 

[91Joe95]

John, are you so certain that the review will result in the findings you suggest?

I'm certainly not.

Hey, whoa there. Please don't try to change Johnny's mind, he's got a perfect record of being wrong that I have come to rely on.

 

[Royal_Coaster]

To make things worse, Zip tarnishes not one, but two classic American songs.

 

[BlueBand]

Typically, and in the case of PSU, the insured has a self insured retention. Claims within the self insured retention, SIR, are handled by the insured or their representative. Once the insured is aware the value of the claim exceeds the SIR they are required to place the insurer on notice. The insured would then tender the SIR to the insurer and the Insurer typically then takes over the claim, investigation and negotiations. At that point the insurer has the right to bring in their own defense counsel. There is both a per occurrence SIR and an aggragate SIR. PSU either failed to tender the SIR to PMA or PMA failed to take over the defense and handling of the case. It is very unusual that an insured would settle claims so far in excess of the SIR and later demand indemnification.

Or maybe Penn State had an absurdly high SIR?

 

[BlueBand]

Yes, the shower incident was observed by McQueary. It was his responsibility to report it to the authorities. It was also the responsibility of any mandated reporters to report it. Joe and C/S/S were not mandated reporters. I believe Dranov was. Despite that, PSU reported it to TSM. I believe Raykovitz would have been a mandatory reporter.

Funny, the people charged with a cover-up did more than the primary witness and mandated reporters.

 

[91Joe95]

Or maybe Penn State had an absurdly high SIR?

You mean after $93MM+ they still haven't reached it?