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Any interest in a BWI board Last Man Standing contest?

Tom McAndrew

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I've thought of setting one up the past 2 seasons. For the most part, I've held off as I didn't want to commit to tracking everyone's selections. This year, I'm still concerned about the time required for tracking, but I figured it enough folks were interested, it could be a lot of fun.

Here's how it would work:

1. each contestant would enter 2 college wrestlers, a primary and a backup
2. your primary, and your backup, are the wrestler you think will go the farthest in the season without a loss

The rules would be as follows:

1. neither of your choices can have AAed (been an All-American) in any prior college season
2. your entrants will be out if a) they lose, forfeit, or default; b) they do not compete in a dual or tournament in which 5 starters from their team compete
3. your two entrants can not be the same college wrestler
4. you can not pick the same two wrestlers, in the same order (primary and backup) as someone who has already entered a selection (if you pick 1. Jim Smith & 2. Joe Jones, somebody else can pick 1. Joe Jones, and 2. Jim Smith)
5. the only competitions that count are against D1 wrestlers. As such, a loss to a non-D1 wrestler by an entrant would not knock you out

This would be a contest that is basically identical to the LMS contest that is held on The Mat.

Your primary entrant would be key. If your primary entrant loses, forfeits, or defaults, etc., and any other player has their primary entrant still undefeated, you would be out of the contest. If multiple folks have the same primary, and he's the last primary to lose, then the contest comes down to which backup is the last to lose.

A few additional rules:
- ideally, this would have started before any competition started on Nov. 1. However, I don't think there's enough time to see if there is a) enough interest, and b) make entries by Nov. 1. So. I'll gauge the interest (based on replies to this post) between now and 5 pm EDT on 10/31. If I feel there is enough interest, then entries will start on Tuesday morning (I'll give a specific time in a subsequent post), and they will end at 6 pm EDT on 11/4.
- matches in the NWCA All-Star Classic do not count in the contest
- early season tournaments, when teams are still fiddling with their rosters, do not count in terms of if an entrant does not participate (and 5 other starters do) it's considered a loss. The Cliff Kean LV tournament is the first tournament that will count. The others are Reno, Midlands, and the Scuffle. Note: if one of your entrants does participate in an early tournament, and loses to a D1 wrestler, then that does count as a loss
- if an entrant's team is in a one-day, multiple duals situation, they can miss ONE of the duals and not have it count as a loss or not wrestling. However, if they miss TWO of the duals on the day, then that entrant will have a loss.

Got all that? I hope I made it pretty clear. If you have questions, post them.

If you're interested in participating in a BWI Board LMS contest, indicate as much in a reply to this post.

Also, this would not be restricted to PSU fans. If you've posted on this board before, you would be eligible to participate.
 
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I've thought of setting one up the past 2 seasons. For the most part, I've held off as I didn't want to commit to tracking everyone's selections. This year, I'm still concerned about the time required for tracking, but I figured it enough folks were interested, it could be a lot of fun.

Here's how it would work:

1. each contestant would enter 2 college wrestlers, a primary and a backup
2. your primary, and your backup, are the wrestler you think will go the farthest in the season without a loss

The rules would be as follows:

1. neither of your choices can have AAed (been an All-American) in any prior college season
2. your entrants will be out if a) they lose, forfeit, or default; b) they do not compete in a dual or tournament in which 5 starters from their team compete
3. your two entrants can not be the same college wrestler
4. you can not pick the same two wrestlers, in the same order (primary and backup) as someone who has already entered a selection (if you pick 1. Jim Smith & 2. Joe Jones, somebody else can pick 1. Joe Jones, and 2. Jim Smith)
5. the only competitions that count are against D1 wrestlers. As such, a loss to a non-D1 wrestler by an entrant would not knock you out

This would be a contest that is basically identical to the LMS contest that is held on The Mat.

Your primary entrant would be key. If your primary entrant loses, forfeits, or defaults, etc., and any other player has their primary entrant still undefeated, you would be out of the contest. If multiple folks have the same primary, and he's the last primary to lose, then the contest comes down to which backup is the last to lose.

A few additional rules:
- ideally, this would have started before any competition started on Nov. 1. However, I don't think there's enough time to see if there is a) enough interest, and b) make entries by Nov. 1. So. I'll gauge the interest (based on replies to this post) between now and 5 pm EDT on 10/31. If I feel there is enough interest, then entries will start on Tuesday morning (I'll give a specific time in a subsequent post), and they will end on at 6 pm EDT on 11/4.
- matches in the NWCA All-Star Classic do not count in the contest
- early season tournaments, when teams are still fiddling with their rosters, do not count in terms of if an entrant does not participate (and 4 other starters do) it's considered a loss. The Cliff Kean LV tournament is the first tournament that will count. The others are Reno, Midlands, and the Scuffle. Note: if one of your entrants does participate in an early tournament, and loses to a D1 wrestler, then that does count as a loss
- if an entrants team is in a one-day, multiple duals situation, they can miss ONE of the duals and not have it count as a loss or not wrestling. However, if they miss TWO of the duals on the day, then that entrant will have a loss.

Got all that? I hope I made it pretty clear. If you have questions, post them.

If you're interested in participating in a BWI Board LMS contest, indicate as much in a reply to this post.

Also, this would not be restricted to PSU fans. If you've posted on this board before, you would be eligible to participate.
Count me in as well.
 
I'd be in but rule 4 is simply unfair. There's 3-4 guys who have far and away the best shot to do this and those who pick early would have a massive advantage
 
I'd be in but rule 4 is simply unfair. There's 3-4 guys who have far and away the best shot to do this and those who pick early would have a massive advantage

Agree, but there does have to be a way to avoid ties.

Not that I expect the rules are negotiable, but I can see a rule "1a" leveling the playing field a bit more:
"Both of your choices must have competed in a previous NCAA Championships tournament."

The spirit of the "non-AA" rule would seem to be to take the obvious picks off the table. My suggested "1a" rule would further that cause by eliminating the highly touted freshmen (true or redshirt), guys that were expected to AA the previous year but had their seasons cut short by injury, or studs that have been waiting in the wings as back-ups and would seemingly be sure-fire AAs.

In other words, everyone in the contest is working with seasoned, "non elite" wrestlers with NCAA championship experience.
 
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I've thought of setting one up the past 2 seasons. For the most part, I've held off as I didn't want to commit to tracking everyone's selections. This year, I'm still concerned about the time required for tracking, but I figured it enough folks were interested, it could be a lot of fun.

Here's how it would work:

1. each contestant would enter 2 college wrestlers, a primary and a backup
2. your primary, and your backup, are the wrestler you think will go the farthest in the season without a loss

The rules would be as follows:

1. neither of your choices can have AAed (been an All-American) in any prior college season
2. your entrants will be out if a) they lose, forfeit, or default; b) they do not compete in a dual or tournament in which 5 starters from their team compete
3. your two entrants can not be the same college wrestler
4. you can not pick the same two wrestlers, in the same order (primary and backup) as someone who has already entered a selection (if you pick 1. Jim Smith & 2. Joe Jones, somebody else can pick 1. Joe Jones, and 2. Jim Smith)
5. the only competitions that count are against D1 wrestlers. As such, a loss to a non-D1 wrestler by an entrant would not knock you out

This would be a contest that is basically identical to the LMS contest that is held on The Mat.

Your primary entrant would be key. If your primary entrant loses, forfeits, or defaults, etc., and any other player has their primary entrant still undefeated, you would be out of the contest. If multiple folks have the same primary, and he's the last primary to lose, then the contest comes down to which backup is the last to lose.

A few additional rules:
- ideally, this would have started before any competition started on Nov. 1. However, I don't think there's enough time to see if there is a) enough interest, and b) make entries by Nov. 1. So. I'll gauge the interest (based on replies to this post) between now and 5 pm EDT on 10/31. If I feel there is enough interest, then entries will start on Tuesday morning (I'll give a specific time in a subsequent post), and they will end at 6 pm EDT on 11/4.
- matches in the NWCA All-Star Classic do not count in the contest
- early season tournaments, when teams are still fiddling with their rosters, do not count in terms of if an entrant does not participate (and 5 other starters do) it's considered a loss. The Cliff Kean LV tournament is the first tournament that will count. The others are Reno, Midlands, and the Scuffle. Note: if one of your entrants does participate in an early tournament, and loses to a D1 wrestler, then that does count as a loss
- if an entrant's team is in a one-day, multiple duals situation, they can miss ONE of the duals and not have it count as a loss or not wrestling. However, if they miss TWO of the duals on the day, then that entrant will have a loss.

Got all that? I hope I made it pretty clear. If you have questions, post them.

If you're interested in participating in a BWI Board LMS contest, indicate as much in a reply to this post.

Also, this would not be restricted to PSU fans. If you've posted on this board before, you would be eligible to participate.
ok, will give it a go
 
Looks like we have enough folks to make this interesting.

Here's how it will work:
- I'll make a post around 1 pm EDT on Tuesday, 11/1, with my entrants, and announcing that you should place your entries as replies.
- If you discover that both of of your entrants were submitted by another player, then you have to change your entrants (either edit your post, or make a 2nd post)
- if one of your entrants AAed in a prior college season, then any poster can call you out on it, and you have to change your entrants
- entries will close on 6 pm EDT on 11/4

Even if you didn't respond to this thread to say you were in, you're still welcome to play.

Lastly, don't post your entrants as replies in this thread, or before I make my post on 11/1 announcing the entries are now welcome. Any such entries will not be accepted or counted.
 
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