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Anyone else prefer an 8 team playoff than a 12 team playoff?

That's true that most if not all sports do this. It's because of MONEY. Your mlb team is 15 games out of first place but you think your team has a shot at a wildcard. If you get it you can win a "championship ". No you win the tournament. You want a tournament? That's fine just don't call it a national championship "playoff" because it isn't. It's just the best money making scheme they can come up with.? When there were 2 MLB leagues, American and National only the winners played for the championship. That was a true championship. No lucky losers allowed in.

PS This has nothing to do with Ohio State but since you keep bringing it up Ohio State proved my point with their performance.
It's not just because of money but yes money matters.
All sports call it a playoff. Why would this be different?
This has everything to do with Ohio State and their performance didn't prove anything.
 
It's not just because of money but yes money matters.
All sports call it a playoff. Why would this be different?
This has everything to do with Ohio State and their performance didn't prove anything.
Just because you call it a playoff doesn't mean it is. Ohio State proved they didn't deserve to be there.
 
Just because you call it a playoff doesn't mean it is. Ohio State proved they didn't deserve to be there.
Everyone calls it a playoff?
Do pro sports not have playoffs?
Do no collegiate sports have a playoff?
No sport is only conference winners--none--MLB was the only one and the died forever ago
Performance in the playoff never determines if you deserved the bid. Never.
 
Everyone calls it a playoff?
Do pro sports not have playoffs?
Do no collegiate sports have a playoff?
No sport is only conference winners--none--MLB was the only one and the died forever ago
Performance in the playoff never determines if you deserved the bid. Never.
Anytime a "wildcard" or lucky loser as I call them can win it's not a playoff for a real deserving championship. It's just a glorified end of season tournament. Pro sports no longer have "playoffs" to determine a deserving champion. They have very profitable tournaments at the end of the season. Entertaining, but not a real playoff to determine a deserving champion, emphasis on deserving. The regular season should mean something and winning should also mean something. When MLB went to 4 divisions it still had real playoffs as only the winners got in. They then figured out that "wildcards" generated more income for more teams. Why do you think the NFL has "wildcards". It's not because they are deserving but because it keeps more fans interested and spending MONEY.

Go on deluding yourself into believing that any competition that let's a second or third place team win determines the "champion" of the sport. Entertaining yes, tournament winner yes, but nothing more than a tournament designed to maximize profits during the season by keeping LOSING teams in the running. Calling it a "playoff" simply generates more income than calling it what it really is, an end of season tournament. At least NCAA basketball calls it what it is, a tournament. No matter what you say, it's all about the money. It's always about the money.

I don't care how many teams they let it. I'd just much prefer that they only let conference winners in and it would be a true playoff. If an Alabama beats a Georgia in a conference championship, they shouldn't have to do it again in a so called playoff. They have already demonstrated they are the superior team by winning the conference.

I still believe that winning should matter. You don't. I get it. You only want what you perceive to be "better" games. Well that end of season tournament will give you that. Might be a great entertaining tournament, it just doesn't determine the "championship" of the sport. Maybe that's semantics, but I'll always believe that in sport, winning matters.
 
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Anytime a "wildcard" or lucky loser as I call them can win it's not a playoff for a real deserving championship. It's just a glorified end of season tournament. Pro sports no longer have "playoffs" to determine a deserving champion. They have very profitable tournaments at the end of the season. Entertaining, but not a real playoff to determine a deserving champion, emphasis on deserving. The regular season should mean something and winning should also mean something. When MLB went to 4 divisions it still had real playoffs as only the winners got in. They then figured out that "wildcards" generated more income for more teams. Why do you think the NFL has "wildcards". It's not because they are deserving but because it keeps more fans interested and spending MONEY.

Go on deluding yourself into believing that any competition that let's a second or third place team win determines the "champion" of the sport. Entertaining yes, tournament winner yes, but nothing more than a tournament designed to maximize profits during the season by keeping LOSING teams in the running. Calling it a "playoff" simply generates more income than calling it what it really is, an end of season tournament. At least NCAA basketball calls it what it is, a tournament. No matter what you say, it's all about the money. It's always about the money.

I don't care how many teams they let it. I'd just much prefer that they only let conference winners in and it would be a true playoff. If an Alabama beats a Georgia in a conference championship, they shouldn't have to do it again in a so called playoff. They have already demonstrated they are the superior team by winning the conference.

I still believe that winning should matter. You don't. I get it. You only want what you perceive to be "better" games. Well that end of season tournament will give you that. Might be a great entertaining tournament, it just doesn't determine the "championship" of the sport. Maybe that's semantics, but I'll always believe that in sport, winning matters.
No one cares.
 
Anytime a "wildcard" or lucky loser as I call them can win it's not a playoff for a real deserving championship. It's just a glorified end of season tournament. Pro sports no longer have "playoffs" to determine a deserving champion. They have very profitable tournaments at the end of the season. Entertaining, but not a real playoff to determine a deserving champion, emphasis on deserving. The regular season should mean something and winning should also mean something. When MLB went to 4 divisions it still had real playoffs as only the winners got in. They then figured out that "wildcards" generated more income for more teams. Why do you think the NFL has "wildcards". It's not because they are deserving but because it keeps more fans interested and spending MONEY.

Go on deluding yourself into believing that any competition that let's a second or third place team win determines the "champion" of the sport. Entertaining yes, tournament winner yes, but nothing more than a tournament designed to maximize profits during the season by keeping LOSING teams in the running. Calling it a "playoff" simply generates more income than calling it what it really is, an end of season tournament. At least NCAA basketball calls it what it is, a tournament. No matter what you say, it's all about the money. It's always about the money.

I don't care how many teams they let it. I'd just much prefer that they only let conference winners in and it would be a true playoff. If an Alabama beats a Georgia in a conference championship, they shouldn't have to do it again in a so called playoff. They have already demonstrated they are the superior team by winning the conference.

I still believe that winning should matter. You don't. I get it. You only want what you perceive to be "better" games. Well that end of season tournament will give you that. Might be a great entertaining tournament, it just doesn't determine the "championship" of the sport. Maybe that's semantics, but I'll always believe that in sport, winning matters.
You literally shouldn't watch sports with this rant. You don't believe winner matters because not all conferences are equal. Not all wins are the same.
 
Anytime a "wildcard" or lucky loser as I call them can win it's not a playoff for a real deserving championship. It's just a glorified end of season tournament. Pro sports no longer have "playoffs" to determine a deserving champion. They have very profitable tournaments at the end of the season. Entertaining, but not a real playoff to determine a deserving champion, emphasis on deserving. The regular season should mean something and winning should also mean something. When MLB went to 4 divisions it still had real playoffs as only the winners got in. They then figured out that "wildcards" generated more income for more teams. Why do you think the NFL has "wildcards". It's not because they are deserving but because it keeps more fans interested and spending MONEY.

Go on deluding yourself into believing that any competition that let's a second or third place team win determines the "champion" of the sport. Entertaining yes, tournament winner yes, but nothing more than a tournament designed to maximize profits during the season by keeping LOSING teams in the running. Calling it a "playoff" simply generates more income than calling it what it really is, an end of season tournament. At least NCAA basketball calls it what it is, a tournament. No matter what you say, it's all about the money. It's always about the money.

I don't care how many teams they let it. I'd just much prefer that they only let conference winners in and it would be a true playoff. If an Alabama beats a Georgia in a conference championship, they shouldn't have to do it again in a so called playoff. They have already demonstrated they are the superior team by winning the conference.

I still believe that winning should matter. You don't. I get it. You only want what you perceive to be "better" games. Well that end of season tournament will give you that. Might be a great entertaining tournament, it just doesn't determine the "championship" of the sport. Maybe that's semantics, but I'll always believe that in sport, winning matters.
Dude, you must hate March Madness, kind of a buzz kill. You must only want to see the top 8 hoops teams playoff. No little guys and by the way PSU hoops would never make it. What a bore. You're probably the only person in America rooting for Purdue, for example, to beat the #16 seed in addition to Purdue fans. The #16 team isn't good enough and does not deserve to be there.
 
Didn't they just add more playoff games? Or did you miss the expansion to 12?
Again, this will happen either as 1 large playoff or FBS having multiple tiers. Although you're probably still upset, mad and confused about 12 teams.
Well, they changed the rules to shorten the game after the decision to go to 12 teams was made. Or did you mis that?
 
Well, they changed the rules to shorten the game after the decision to go to 12 teams was made. Or did you mis that?
Nope followed that and they didn't revisit the playoff nor would it prevent them from cutting more games
We all know the changes weren't to create less plays but to shorten the length of the games for TV reasons. Right?
 
Nope followed that and they didn't revisit the playoff nor would it prevent them from cutting more games
We all know the changes weren't to create less plays but to shorten the length of the games for TV reasons. Right?
So, you're telling me that they passed the changes to the time clock before they decided on the twelve team playoff? You might want to check your google machine on that one.

I agree on your second point, but I think there would be more pushback if they tried to expand beyond 12.
 
So, you're telling me that they passed the changes to the time clock before they decided on the twelve team playoff? You might want to check your google machine on that one.

I agree on your second point, but I think there would be more pushback if they tried to expand beyond 12.
To clarify, maybe my fault, I said they didn't revisit the 12 team decision AFTER the first down/clock stop change. I'm sick so maybe I didn't explain that well
The money will make the pushback disappear quickly
I understand not everyone is going to want a 20-24 team playoff but those dismissing it flat out aren't being realistic
 
Anytime a "wildcard" or lucky loser as I call them can win it's not a playoff for a real deserving championship. It's just a glorified end of season tournament. Pro sports no longer have "playoffs" to determine a deserving champion. They have very profitable tournaments at the end of the season. Entertaining, but not a real playoff to determine a deserving champion, emphasis on deserving. The regular season should mean something and winning should also mean something. When MLB went to 4 divisions it still had real playoffs as only the winners got in. They then figured out that "wildcards" generated more income for more teams. Why do you think the NFL has "wildcards". It's not because they are deserving but because it keeps more fans interested and spending MONEY.

Go on deluding yourself into believing that any competition that let's a second or third place team win determines the "champion" of the sport. Entertaining yes, tournament winner yes, but nothing more than a tournament designed to maximize profits during the season by keeping LOSING teams in the running. Calling it a "playoff" simply generates more income than calling it what it really is, an end of season tournament. At least NCAA basketball calls it what it is, a tournament. No matter what you say, it's all about the money. It's always about the money.

I don't care how many teams they let it. I'd just much prefer that they only let conference winners in and it would be a true playoff. If an Alabama beats a Georgia in a conference championship, they shouldn't have to do it again in a so called playoff. They have already demonstrated they are the superior team by winning the conference.

I still believe that winning should matter. You don't. I get it. You only want what you perceive to be "better" games. Well that end of season tournament will give you that. Might be a great entertaining tournament, it just doesn't determine the "championship" of the sport. Maybe that's semantics, but I'll always believe that in sport, winning matters.
If he wanted “better games”, he wouldn’t be pushing for the G5 teams to make it. That’s not better games, that’s just more games where one team is severely over matched.
 
Dude, you must hate March Madness, kind of a buzz kill. You must only want to see the top 8 hoops teams playoff. No little guys and by the way PSU hoops would never make it. What a bore. You're probably the only person in America rooting for Purdue, for example, to beat the #16 seed in addition to Purdue fans. The #16 team isn't good enough and does not deserve to be there.
And how many of the “little guys” have actually won the tournament? None. The basketball tournament has become way too enamored with the little guys and all they do is take away spots from teams that would provide better games. The basketball tournament used to be better, now it’s getting to the point where it’s not a big deal if one of the smaller teams win in the first round or second round because there are more of them than the big guys. Only two 16 seeds have ever won…how many do you think would have won over the years if those 16 seeds were P5 teams? Maybe 30-40%.
 
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To clarify, maybe my fault, I said they didn't revisit the 12 team decision AFTER the first down/clock stop change. I'm sick so maybe I didn't explain that well
The money will make the pushback disappear quickly
I understand not everyone is going to want a 20-24 team playoff but those dismissing it flat out aren't being realistic
Well, I hope you feel better soon.
 
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If he wanted “better games”, he wouldn’t be pushing for the G5 teams to make it. That’s not better games, that’s just more games where one team is severely over matched.
And it's worth it for the rare occasion they make a run...see the love of March Madness.
Better games would be the SEC and Big Ten creating their own league which is still my first choice
 
You just have to admit with a 4 or 8 team playoff every game just matters that much more. 12 teams water it down a little imo.
I don’t get the every game matters BS. The fewer teams the less games actually matter because teams are eliminated faster with fewer teams. Heck most teams would ge eliminated and become meaningless after 1 loss. Even if they went 16 teams every game matters because there still a slim margin for error. Now maybe you will see some teams play more challenging schedules.

On top of that who doesn’t want more playoff games that actually matter. The bowl system is dead and boring.
 
I can't believe fan of a P5 team would want an 8 team playoff, with a winner of each conference going? Is it fair that the winner of the MAC would get in over the runner up of the BIG or SEC?
 
Boring regular season. We are already in the playoff, we arent losing more than 2 games. Wake me up when the playoff is here.
I don’t get the every game matters BS. The fewer teams the less games actually matter because teams are eliminated faster with fewer teams. Heck most teams would ge eliminated and become meaningless after 1 loss. Even if they went 16 teams every game matters because there still a slim margin for error. Now maybe you will see some teams play more challenging schedules.

On top of that who doesn’t want more playoff games that actually matter. The bowl system is dead and boring.
 
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If he wanted “better games”, he wouldn’t be pushing for the G5 teams to make it. That’s not better games, that’s just more games where one team is severely over matched.
The same people that like the consolidation of all major programs into 2 conferences for "better games" seem to be the same ones that want to expand the playoffs which degrades the average quality of the playoff teams.
 
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The same people that like the consolidation of all major programs into 2 conferences for "better games" seem to be the same ones that want to expand the playoffs which degrades the average quality of the playoff teams.
Because with 2 conferences those other teams have their own playoff.
 
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