Anyone know if new safety/defensive co-coord was one of the carpetbaggers who came to campus in 2012

[LaJolla Lion]

Cute. When and if Franklin has a track record as long as Joe's we'll make that decision, and even Joe was not infallible. Just because it may not be an issue with Franklin doesn't mean shit,

Right Art. Spare me your online moral authority act. Maybe we should question every coach that recruited and PSU commit during the sanctions. They are evil men. So now the line is 60 years at a school. Gee, that seems realistic in 2016. Good luck getting your next savior to come in here. He better walk on water. It's as if some can't accept things have changed. Oh well, look for your huge answer from Coach Banks Art.

 

[Art]

Right Art. Spare me your online moral authority act. Maybe we should question every coach that recruited and PSU commit during the sanctions. They are evil men. So now the line is 60 years at a school. Gee, that seems realistic in 2016. Good luck getting your next savior to come in here. He better walk on water. It's as if some can't accept things have changed. Oh well, look for your huge answer from Coach Banks Art.

There is no act here. I just want a question asked and answered. If it's not, so be it. Just don't see why there is difficulty with that position.

 

[10 Years After]

I think it is a fair question for Coach Banks to be asked. But to be accurate, I thought it had been established these coaches were in State College but not on campus, no?

There were definitely coaches outside Lasch. Whether or not that included Illinois coaches, I do not know. Beckman claimed at the time that they were only off campus but that was only after a schnit storm was kicked up about it and it reached the national media. There were also coaches outside of players apartments. A number of players tweeted about them being outside as they tweeted. Most likely these apartments would have been Nittany apartments. I don't think anyone but the players would know which coaches were where physically.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

No reason? Would you feel the same way if 6-10 players had transferred to Illinois?

I think I would.....but who knows.

I see your point - I think.
The actions of the Illinois staff were disgusting...no doubt. I assume we agree in that regard.

While the door was opened by the NCAA/PSU BOT...and I think those are the truly deplorable folks in this affair (and I think we agree on that as well).....no one was holding a gun to the head of the Illinois staff to leap headlong through the door (and I think we agree on that)

I suppose, for me, in this situation my outrage more-or-less stops with Beckman.....and I would probably have been apoplectic if he was added to the staff......and so, by extension, perhaps I SHOULD be more disgruntled wrt this guy joining the staff.
I suppose I couldn't really argue with that sentiment. Maybe that makes me a bit hypocritical.

My feelings are probably influenced by the fact that when I read the OP, my first vision/thought was some guy like Cory Giger dropping his boxers and waggling himself at the thought of spending a week on this "scandal"



But, the contention that the "new guy" should address it - quickly and proactively ? I suppose I would have a hard time arguing against that.

 

[NapaNit]

OK, a big MEA CULPA. I used Nuremberg, with a magnitude qualifier (albeit not enough), to demonstrate that we live with our history and often must answer, in some manner, for our actions. Being told to do something by a superior and blindly following w/o questioning the ethics of the proposed action is poor judgement. Stating you were simply following orders is cowardly. Did Banks question Beckman's strategy? I don't know. If I'm Mauti, Hodges, et al, I'm going to wonder. If I'm Banks I'm going to wonder how my history will affect those around me. If I think my history has been harmful in any way I'm going to explain myself in an attempt to dispel notions or alleviate hurt. Hope this makes some sense.

 

[BBG65]

Cute. When and if Franklin has a track record as long as Joe's we'll make that decision, and even Joe was not infallible. Just because it may not be an issue with Franklin doesn't mean shit.

Hopefully we never have a coach again who has a track record as long as Joe's. We don't need guys who selfishly refuse to hang it up until they're 85.

 

[sluggo72]

Hopefully we never have a coach again who has a track record as long as Joe's. We don't need guys who selfishly refuse to hang it up until they're 85.

I know I'd never look forward to a coach going 409-136, and going to 37 bowl games, winning 24. that would suck. What really sucks is his graduation record, I would hope the next HC does better than what JVP did in that regard. JVP really, really hurt PSU.

 

[AWS1022]

Wow - really? Nuremburg is the analogy you want to make here?

Too soon?

 

[Evan Ceg]

Why does Banks need to be asked? What's the point? Do you think Franklin's going to fire him if he doesn't meet the standard of approval of a bunch of anonymous message board posters? I'm going to say it, "Move the f*ck on!"

 

[NittPicker]

There were definitely coaches outside Lasch. Whether or not that included Illinois coaches, I do not know. Beckman claimed at the time that they were only off campus but that was only after a schnit storm was kicked up about it and it reached the national media. There were also coaches outside of players apartments. A number of players tweeted about them being outside as they tweeted. Most likely these apartments would have been Nittany apartments. I don't think anyone but the players would know which coaches were where physically.

That's one of the things which still burns my ass. The NCAA and Erickson agreed to allow other coaches to come on campus and actively poach players with the specific stipulation the university could not interfere. They apparently felt they could do this and supersede the laws of the commonwealth. If I was a player and was getting bothersome telephone calls and knocks on my door I'd be calling the cops. I very much doubt they would have arrived and said, "Sorry son. I'd like to help you out but the NCAA says I can't". It's just one example of the NCAA and Emmert seeing themselves as their own little kingdom which answers to nobody.

 

[Chris92]

If only Beckman thought to have a sleepover at Nittany Apartments, he might still have his job....

 

[manatree]

Something to consider, back in 1987, it was reported that Penn State was one of the schools that were on SMU's campus trying to recruit players when the NCAA lowered the boom.

SHAME ON YOU, SMU
By Robert Sullivan, Sports Illustrated
March 09, 1987

They stood in the drizzle outside Ownby Stadium on the campus of Southern Methodist University last Thursday afternoon. Scores of them had descended in a hungry flock—like "vultures." said SMU linebacker Ricky Roden—to pick the Mustang football program clean of its 56 remaining scholarship players. "Everybody's trying to get a good piece of meat." said fullback Jed Martin angrily.

They were recruiters. More than 100 of them from such schools as Oklahoma. Alabama. Penn State and even Northwestern had hurried to the SMU campus in Dallas a day after the NCAA pronounced the "death penalty" for the Mustangs' recidivist football program. The ruling bars SMU from all competition in 1987 and saddles it with other sanctions through 1990. In a surprisingly bold stroke, the NCAA had effectively demolished one of the nation's most glorious—and historically corrupt—football teams. It had also sent a stern message to all who cheat in college athletics.​

SCOUTS SEEK S.M.U. PLAYERS
By PETER H. FRANK, Special to the New York Times
Published: February 28, 1987

About 130 football coaches from some 80 colleges have descended on the campus of Southern Methodist University over the past two days, attempting to lure away the best of the college's football team.....

....Among the larger schools that were reportedly represented on campus were Penn State, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, Houston, U.C.L.A., Arizona, Tulsa, Alabama and Kansas. ​

 

[Zenophile]

Something to consider, back in 1987, it was reported that Penn State was one of the schools that were on SMU's campus trying to recruit players when the NCAA lowered the boom.

SHAME ON YOU, SMU
By Robert Sullivan, Sports Illustrated
March 09, 1987

They stood in the drizzle outside Ownby Stadium on the campus of Southern Methodist University last Thursday afternoon. Scores of them had descended in a hungry flock—like "vultures." said SMU linebacker Ricky Roden—to pick the Mustang football program clean of its 56 remaining scholarship players. "Everybody's trying to get a good piece of meat." said fullback Jed Martin angrily.

They were recruiters. More than 100 of them from such schools as Oklahoma. Alabama. Penn State and even Northwestern had hurried to the SMU campus in Dallas a day after the NCAA pronounced the "death penalty" for the Mustangs' recidivist football program. The ruling bars SMU from all competition in 1987 and saddles it with other sanctions through 1990. In a surprisingly bold stroke, the NCAA had effectively demolished one of the nation's most glorious—and historically corrupt—football teams. It had also sent a stern message to all who cheat in college athletics.​

SCOUTS SEEK S.M.U. PLAYERS
By PETER H. FRANK, Special to the New York Times
Published: February 28, 1987

About 130 football coaches from some 80 colleges have descended on the campus of Southern Methodist University over the past two days, attempting to lure away the best of the college's football team.....

....Among the larger schools that were reportedly represented on campus were Penn State, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, Houston, U.C.L.A., Arizona, Tulsa, Alabama and Kansas. ​

Was SMU eligible to compete in the following season?

 

[AWS1022]

Was SMU eligible to compete in the following season?

Great point. As usual, the anti-PSU folks are comparing apples and oranges to make PSU look bad. Keep trying though.

 

[Art]

Something to consider, back in 1987, it was reported that Penn State was one of the schools that were on SMU's campus trying to recruit players when the NCAA lowered the boom.

SHAME ON YOU, SMU
By Robert Sullivan, Sports Illustrated
March 09, 1987

They stood in the drizzle outside Ownby Stadium on the campus of Southern Methodist University last Thursday afternoon. Scores of them had descended in a hungry flock—like "vultures." said SMU linebacker Ricky Roden—to pick the Mustang football program clean of its 56 remaining scholarship players. "Everybody's trying to get a good piece of meat." said fullback Jed Martin angrily.

They were recruiters. More than 100 of them from such schools as Oklahoma. Alabama. Penn State and even Northwestern had hurried to the SMU campus in Dallas a day after the NCAA pronounced the "death penalty" for the Mustangs' recidivist football program. The ruling bars SMU from all competition in 1987 and saddles it with other sanctions through 1990. In a surprisingly bold stroke, the NCAA had effectively demolished one of the nation's most glorious—and historically corrupt—football teams. It had also sent a stern message to all who cheat in college athletics.​

SCOUTS SEEK S.M.U. PLAYERS
By PETER H. FRANK, Special to the New York Times
Published: February 28, 1987

About 130 football coaches from some 80 colleges have descended on the campus of Southern Methodist University over the past two days, attempting to lure away the best of the college's football team.....

....Among the larger schools that were reportedly represented on campus were Penn State, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, Houston, U.C.L.A., Arizona, Tulsa, Alabama and Kansas. ​

Ricky Roden? Is that the same Ricky Roden who, in the immediate aftermath of sanctions, left the following message on his answering machine:

''Hello, this is the home of Ricky Roden and Ken Grant. Ricky is 6-1, 215, linebacker, 4.6 speed and Ken is 6-6, 250-pound defensive tackle. We're ex-S.M.U. football players. We're looking for a school to go to, so if you're a coach or recruiter, leave your name, a number and the school you're with and we'll get back in touch with you. Thanks a lot. Beep.''

And Texas was on SMU's campus? I guess the coaches hadn't heard that their AD said that SMU players were "unwelcome" on UT's campus.

 

[Evan Ceg]

Recruiting SMU kids in the wake of their Death Penalty and recruiting Penn State players in the wake of the Sanctions, when Penn State was still trying to field a team for the upcoming season season, are different situations, as noted above. OT Matt McCartin was the player we recruited from SMU, and he was pretty good.

As a historical note, the NCAA gave SMU a one-year Death Penalty and the university (board/president) immediately decided to suspend the program a second year. Also, the Death Penalty was delivered when it was found out for a second time that SMU was paying players. No doubt the NCAA's decision reflected this second deception and that SMU board president Bill Clements, a two-time Texas governor, and a few other powerful SMU board members were aware that the payments to some key players continued after the mess had supposedly been cleaned up after the first violation.