Wick Sollers is a heavy hitter. I've opined since he was hired that he knows what happened, and where the evidence is. all the feet dragging in the world only delays the inevitable.
As the Paterno, Spanier and Alum Trustees cases grind forward,
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Wick Sollers is a heavy hitter. I've opined since he was hired that he knows what happened, and where the evidence is. all the feet dragging in the world only delays the inevitable.
The University would have been better served with Jeff Dunham as general counsel. And Erickson is perfect dummy material.
It's 2:56 AM, I'm reading a message board about something that happened over 4 years ago and as usual, feeling my blood pressure rise and my anger ramp up.
Yeah, I'd say I'm still itching and it's incessant.
I know the feeling.
I have no doubt that this was a set up from the get go and it was orchestrated by Surma, who wanted Paterno, and by Corbett who wanted to not only nail Spanier but protect his corrupt buddies who were laundering money thru the 2M....my question is...what media outlet will give a shit? Will FESPN admit they made a mistake? CBS Sports? FoxSports? The Patriot News??? My biggest fear is the truth comes out...but it never gets told...
I know what you are saying. I have struggled with this too, so let's assume you are right. Nobody even reports it and nobody cares anyway. So some guy in Hackensack, NJ and some guy in Leadville, Colorado and some guy in Butthole, Arkansas STILL think Joe covered up a molester. So what? It would be nice if they were not so stupid, but I am not gonna let it ruin my day. I will know the truth, WE will know the truth, and WE will use that truth to put it inescapably in the face of those who foisted this lie about the University they were sworn to protect.
Hackensack and Leadville and Butthole can think what they want. STATE COLLEGE and PHILLY and PITTSBURGH and the rest of PA will have to watch as we drive these liars out of this University's boardroom once and for all. "Emeritus" Trustee implies "honorable former trustee" and if that is not true we will have to fix it. They will get it then even if Hackensack doesn't.
The truth is its own reward.
It'll take much bigger investigative fish. Even Van Natta wimped out. I'd pick Andrew Jennings (FIFA scandal). He's got the chops, the patience and knows how Freeh operates.
(ETA: And if he can't do it, he'll know who can.)
(ETA: And if he can't do it, he'll know who can.)
Anthony, I don't know if you can comment on this, but IIRC, Freeh's original arrangement called for his group to be paid $6.5 million. That figure was later bumped up to (I believe) $8.3 million. I have often speculated on these boards that Freeh told the BOT he had nothing on Joe/CSS and that the additional remuneration was for Freeh to dig into his Washington DC bag of dirty tricks to give the BOT what it and the NCAA wanted.
Whether I'm right or not, it would seem to me that the details surrounding the bump in pay would provide valuable insight into what was really going on.
DEM...I want to turn on the TV and see the faces of Surma, Corbett, Frazier, Freeh, Erickson, Emmert, Peetz, Raykovitz and others plastered all over the screen....just like Corbett had Kelly put CSS on display...
I have a feeling that 60 minutes will jump in once the truth does surface...
Oh, forgot about that. That could be a possibility, and maybe not wanting to uncover that because then the key witness on which they built the narrative would be discredited. Otoh, they could have crafted that into more 'lack of integrity' if they twisted and turned like their already established MO. Just guessing as to motive IF that was what was being referred to. So many evil choices, so little time for truly poor leaders such as they were. Thank God for our dissidents!
Small potatoes (not even a decent hash brown, actually)
Now, would a guy like Rodney the Dickless throw that insignificant nonsense in among a bag of horseshit as some justification for "avoiding an investigation"? Maybe.....who knows with that cabal of Scumbags?
But I think we all know, even if we assume the absolute worst of that situation and "...Now multiply that by infinity, take that to the depth of forever..." it still adds up to squadoosh.
I am still amazed that Gene Smith still has a job as AD after that. Many of my Buckeye friends feel the same way.
About the national media, I honestly believe that there are a few members of the media who don't believe the current narrative. DVN and Bob Costas come to mind along with a few others. The problem is the media is lazy and investigative journalism is dead. I truly believe that if what's being said in this thread about the tactics Freeh and company used to achieve their goals comes true it'll be a big time story. For as much as networks like ESPN led the charge with the current narrative, they'd also lead the charge to restore Joe's reputation. This would make a great 30 for 30. Remember it's all about ratings and clicks and proving the current narrative to be false would ensure that.
When I have trouble going to sleep at night I visualize all the misanthropes doing the "perp walk."
I read somewhere, recently, and can't find it now, something along the lines of "Truth trumps legacy". I have to agree. As I get older, I have so much vile for people that get ahead by lying. At the end of the day, I have to look at myself in the mirror. If to "win" means becoming a liar and cheat, I'd rather take my middle class life with my head held high. I know these people justify it...but in their darkest hours, they have to know.
In the end, these people hurt PSU so much. No matter what, we will ALWAYS be known as Ped State. The kids protesting at Kent were also on the right side of history. yet, Kent is forever the place where our own national guard shot college kids (OK, they were threatening to burn down buildings but still...).
And there it is. Thanks Jimmy. Seems to me Baldwin/OG BOT had plenty of time to alter the "secret" Schultz file shortly after Balwdin was hired as first ever in house counsel in March 2010 and PSU started receiving subpoenas or after Schultz's meeting with her on 1/5/11. He still wasn't hired back yet at that point so he'd have no access to it to review.
Has Horvath ever been deposed or has he testified at any of the pretrial hearings? This guy seems to have gone under the radar somehow. It would be interesting to ask him if Baldwin ever came around in early Jan 2011 asking to see a file in his office.
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The press will care when the CEO of a Fortune 500 company is implicated in a conspiracy.
It would be great if Bob Costas would do a expose on the Penn State fiasco. I believe he has stated that he doesn't believe Joe did anything wrong. He has already played a key role in the story. His interview with Sandusky certainly helped the state in their case against Sandusky while being an unmitigated disaster for Sandusky. I wonder how aware he is of the misdeeds of the BOT, OAG, NCAA, and Freeh
Cruising Route 66
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Interesting in that you have stated on these boards that you do not believe the Paterno had any role in any cover-up. You also have stated your disdain for the NCAA's actions. Those actions were based directly on Freeh's conclusions... which were not reasonably supported by any facts stated in the report.
I want to see them pilloried in front of Old Main, then in front of the Stadium and then in front of Joes House and
I want it during the Arts Festival and the first home game.
You are as big a liar as Freeh. The entire remainder of that paragraph, which you did not include, presumes that the Penn State administrators were guilty.
There was absolutely zero leeway for Freeh to come back and say, "Everyone at Penn State did exactly as they were supposed to" EVEN IF THAT'S WHAT THE EVIDENCE FREEH COLLECTED SHOWED.
https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/1...llow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll
Sadly, those were my thoughts when I read over this as well. These comments could be easily interpreted the way you describe. There will need to be evidence that a) they tampered with data b) they selectively released data to back into their preconceived ideas and/or c) they conspired to back into their agenda.
I respectfully disagree. CR is a bigger prevaricator than Freeh, because he continues to defend what he knows to be lies.
Considering the money that The Misanthropes have spent to hide their malfeasance, my bet is all of the above.
They need to compensate Penn State for every dime their personal vendettas have cost the university and if means that they all end up bankrupt I am fine with that.
well if your going that route you might as well include us Alumni as well, some of us have put up with an awful lot.
Cruising Route 66
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So, unlike Pavlov's dog (who didn't itch iirc...), you would not be a good candidate to prove out the "Peetz Theory" that this would all be forgotten by 2014?
Soon cr , you will not be able to sell the " nobody knows what the evidence is" BS any longer. Then you will disappear.
"I'm comfortable with a former federal prosecutor and head of the FBI…"
Earth to CR:
Freeh's FBI resume isn't nearly impressive as you think it is.
http://louisfreeh.com/#block2
BTW, tell us more about the +300 interviews. Did you hero Louie call you 300 times and ask your opinion?
Earth to CR:
Freeh's FBI resume isn't nearly impressive as you think it is.
http://louisfreeh.com/#block2
BTW, tell us more about the +300 interviews. Did you hero Louie call you 300 times and ask your opinion?
I don't know if you ever watch "reality shows" like survivor. What they do is film thousands and thousands of hours of time. Then, afterward, they go back and edit the thousands of hours to create the narrative that they want. They always have the nice person, the vamp, the athlete, the hick, the city slicker, the smart one, the dumb one, etc.
I believe this is what Freeh did. he simply IDed circumstantial evidence supporting his preconceived notions. I believe that's what the record will show and why its being fought so hard. I think those that pay attention will be vindicated. But I also believe that there will be enough for people like you to hide behind. The big question is will the press react?
To me, the only real question for PSU fans is if there is an email smoking gun. was there a conspiracy? was freeh told to do what he did? I think the timing, leaks and "computer down", press release, (etc.) are a lot of "circumstantial evidence" to suggest that there was.
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