Auburn

[ryoder1]

Look at the recruiting rankings--we have more talent. And they demonstrated that against SJSU. It's a simple concept

Oh people absolutely were celebrating beating Purdue trying to hype them up as a quality win when we all know better.

We're pretending Purdue > Pitt?

I agree we have more overall talent than Auburn. But the asessment is not that simple to conclude that then we should win easily or expect to win for sure because we have more talent.

I think the reason you take flak (is that a word?) from other posters is you tend to black and white things when we live in a gray world. You have to look at other factors like Vegas does when evaluating a game and trying to predict an outcome. There are intangibles (revenge game, hostile road atmosphere, White Out which helps us obviously, weather on and on), injuries, matchups at positions or position groups, experience vs youth. To boil it down to a generic "we have more talent so we should win" is pretty flimsy. Yes. I agree you can fall back on this when we play an Ohio but with other teams closer in talent you need to be careful. Purdue is a good example.

I think the other thing and I'm sure this is your schtick and perogative so keep doing it, is you don't come across as a supporter of the team. You call other people fan boys with low expectations for being happy about gutting out a close win against a quality or actually non quality opponent from your perspective. Apparently any team with lesser talent even just slightly lesser is not a quality win. Or maybe it is a quality win in your mind, not really sure what your standards are, I think you move the goalposts a little. Point being there are a lot of fans on this board including myself who love PSU and (I guess you do too) and are thrilled when we pull out a clutch win even against a supposedly inferior opponent. No, not Ohio but Purdue falls in this camp. You on the other hand seem to throw a wet blanket over it all. But hey that is your perogative.

 

[bdgan]

History tells us Auburn tends to be unpredictable. They'll look mediocre and then pull some big upsets here and there. I am not underestimating them at all going into this weekend, it very well could be a dogfight.

Auburn struggled to beat San Jose who struggled to beat Portland State. You would think we'd be more than 3 pt favorites. Obviously the odds makers and bettors aren't completely sold on PSU.

Both Mercer & San Jose were able to pass on Auburn but neither were able to do much on the ground. Let's hope Clifford has a good game. We might do well to run for >120 yds.

Just no turnovers.

 

[LandoComando]

Yes, actually a global pandemic that disrupted everything about life, including college athletics is a pretty damn good excuse. Get real.

Correct, we aren't in 2012 (when there was no portal). It is much harder to keep quality backups (especially at QB) on the team now than it was in 2012.

Did you watch the Notre Dame game? Back ups are almost always a significant drop off. Roberson was probably QB4 before Levis left.

You can't possibly know that CV would have done any better.

You are not a logical person and have unrealistic expectations about sports.

Become a realist.

I'm not the person here being unrealistic.
Did you watch the ND game--their start threw 2 picks. Their backup threw one but also finally got them into the end zone. ND didn't struggle because of a backup QB. I hope you realize that--actually I don't care--you continue to just say things you know are false as you double down when you're wrong

 

[LandoComando]

I agree we have more overall talent than Auburn. But the asessment is not that simple to conclude that then we should win easily or expect to win for sure because we have more talent.

I think the reason you take flak (is that a word?) from other posters is you tend to black and white things when we live in a gray world. You have to look at other factors like Vegas does when evaluating a game and trying to predict an outcome. There are intangibles (revenge game, hostile road atmosphere, White Out which helps us obviously, weather on and on), injuries, matchups at positions or position groups, experience vs youth. To boil it down to a generic "we have more talent so we should win" is pretty flimsy. Yes. I agree you can fall back on this when we play an Ohio but with other teams closer in talent you need to be careful. Purdue is a good example.

I think the other thing and I'm sure this is your schtick and perogative so keep doing it, is you don't come across as a supporter of the team. You call other people fan boys with low expectations for being happy about gutting out a close win against a quality or actually non quality opponent from your perspective. Apparently any team with lesser talent even just slightly lesser is not a quality win. Or maybe it is a quality win in your mind, not really sure what your standards are, I think you move the goalposts a little. Point being there are a lot of fans on this board including myself who love PSU and (I guess you do too) and are thrilled when we pull out a clutch win even against a supposedly inferior opponent. No, not Ohio but Purdue falls in this camp. You on the other hand seem to throw a wet blanket over it all. But hey that is your perogative.

To clarify--I didn't say it would be "easy". I said "it is the expectation".
Purdue is a team that we haven't lost to since 2003/2004 when we were at an all-time. We should NEVER lose to Purdue. It will happen but when it does we should be livid.

I don't comprehend why anyone would be thrilled. I get relieved but not thrilled about the Purdue win. I was relieved that we escaped because the alternative is far worse but "happy" or "thrilled" isn't where I'm at. I do believe the standards of our fan base are WAY too low given our resources. There's not excuse for us not being a step below the top-tier schools and until that happens I'm not going to make excuses for 11-11 the past 2 years or pretend that, in any way, that's accepted. Our "bad years" should be 9 or 10 wins and when we fall below that we should be ready to riot. We're not a mid-level program and we can't to act like it.

For example, I loved watching Marshall beat Notre Dame because that's outright embarrassing for Notre Dame. That should never happen.

I also don't think ant of this is a "wet blanket" over it. Hell, the Steelers beat the Bengals and my main takeaway are the injuries. There's always a bigger picture to see then we survived Purdue...

 

[YYZ86]

To clarify--I didn't say it would be "easy". I said "it is the expectation".
Purdue is a team that we haven't lost to since 2003/2004 when we were at an all-time. We should NEVER lose to Purdue. It will happen but when it does we should be livid.

I don't comprehend why anyone would be thrilled. I get relieved but not thrilled about the Purdue win. I was relieved that we escaped because the alternative is far worse but "happy" or "thrilled" isn't where I'm at. I do believe the standards of our fan base are WAY too low given our resources. There's not excuse for us not being a step below the top-tier schools and until that happens I'm not going to make excuses for 11-11 the past 2 years or pretend that, in any way, that's accepted. Our "bad years" should be 9 or 10 wins and when we fall below that we should be ready to riot. We're not a mid-level program and we can't to act like it.

For example, I loved watching Marshall beat Notre Dame because that's outright embarrassing for Notre Dame. That should never happen.

I also don't think ant of this is a "wet blanket" over it. Hell, the Steelers beat the Bengals and my main takeaway are the injuries. There's always a bigger picture to see then we survived Purdue...

There is no bigger picture in your world. OSU should never lose to PSU because of superior talent. You have to include Michigan in that too. Season was over before it started.

 

[LandoComando]

There is no bigger picture in your world. OSU should never lose to PSU because of superior talent. You have to include Michigan in that too. Season was over before it started.

But that doesn't always happen--that's the point. The expected isn't always the outcome but that doesn't mean you can't root for more but you should never root for less or be okay with less. It's very simple

And, yes, technically, since 1994 we haven't been relevant so...

 

[ryoder1]

To clarify--I didn't say it would be "easy". I said "it is the expectation".
Purdue is a team that we haven't lost to since 2003/2004 when we were at an all-time. We should NEVER lose to Purdue. It will happen but when it does we should be livid.

I don't comprehend why anyone would be thrilled. I get relieved but not thrilled about the Purdue win. I was relieved that we escaped because the alternative is far worse but "happy" or "thrilled" isn't where I'm at. I do believe the standards of our fan base are WAY too low given our resources. There's not excuse for us not being a step below the top-tier schools and until that happens I'm not going to make excuses for 11-11 the past 2 years or pretend that, in any way, that's accepted. Our "bad years" should be 9 or 10 wins and when we fall below that we should be ready to riot. We're not a mid-level program and we can't to act like it.

For example, I loved watching Marshall beat Notre Dame because that's outright embarrassing for Notre Dame. That should never happen.

I also don't think ant of this is a "wet blanket" over it. Hell, the Steelers beat the Bengals and my main takeaway are the injuries. There's always a bigger picture to see then we survived Purdue...

So is it 9 or 10 wins as the benchmark? Big difference. If 9 then '16-19 were satisfactory but I don't get that vibe from you. Must be 20 or is it we have to beat everyone not named scUM and O$U? What is your criteria to meet your expectations? Of course '20 and '21 were unacceptable. Then again you do seem to ignore the pandemic but other schools got through it much better so I get it.

 

[PSU2UNC]

I'm not the person here being unrealistic.
Did you watch the ND game--their start threw 2 picks. Their backup threw one but also finally got them into the end zone. ND didn't struggle because of a backup QB. I hope you realize that--actually I don't care--you continue to just say things you know are false as you double down when you're wrong

I definitely not wrong, Super Chief. Take your L and enjoy the rest of your week.

 

[PSU2UNC]

To clarify--I didn't say it would be "easy". I said "it is the expectation".
Purdue is a team that we haven't lost to since 2003/2004 when we were at an all-time. We should NEVER lose to Purdue. It will happen but when it does we should be livid.

I don't comprehend why anyone would be thrilled. I get relieved but not thrilled about the Purdue win. I was relieved that we escaped because the alternative is far worse but "happy" or "thrilled" isn't where I'm at. I do believe the standards of our fan base are WAY too low given our resources. There's not excuse for us not being a step below the top-tier schools and until that happens I'm not going to make excuses for 11-11 the past 2 years or pretend that, in any way, that's accepted. Our "bad years" should be 9 or 10 wins and when we fall below that we should be ready to riot. We're not a mid-level program and we can't to act like it.

For example, I loved watching Marshall beat Notre Dame because that's outright embarrassing for Notre Dame. That should never happen.

I also don't think ant of this is a "wet blanket" over it. Hell, the Steelers beat the Bengals and my main takeaway are the injuries. There's always a bigger picture to see then we survived Purdue...

I bet you are super fun at parties. SMFH.

 

[scrivener]

I bet you are super fun at parties. SMFH.

Since Lando brought up that Our "bad years" should be 9 or 10 wins, (which I wholeheartedly agree), what is your benchmark? You didn't really address that in your replies to Lando. Aren't we at the point with JF where PSU should be competing for conference titles, legitimately, on an annual basis? Of course, we won't win the B1G every yr, but as Pat Kraft said, all of our programs should be competing for championships. The football team hasn't truly been in the running since 2017. Without being snarky on your end, do you have those expectations for football or are you content with 10-2 at best?

 

[LuvDaLions]

Auburn’s recruiting rankings have basically been the same as PSU from 2018 to 2022. So their talent level is on par with ours. So logically anyone who thinks Franklin is a terrible coach should not expect to beat Auburn. So the only reasons to say that is idiocy, intellectual dishonesty, or most likely to set up a can’t lose situation if PSU wins or loses.

Actually one of the other sites had a break down of their starter's recruiting rankings versus our. On both sides of the ball, PSU was reasonably higher.

 

[AuburnProud]

I read about a quarter of this thread. Hard to argue anything said. With that said, it is human nature for a team to take less talented teams for granted, and get up for more talented rosters. I'm not saying that has happened to us this year, or that it will this weekend. But it happens every Saturday in cfb. Auburn will play its best game this weekend IMO. Don't take us lightly, not that you will. Good luck

 

[marshall23]

Fans can have "high" expectations. Fans can have opinions. Fans can hold their breath and stomp their feet if they don't get what they want.
To what end?
I suppose collective bitching and moaning here is cathartic for some.
But the reality.....unless someone or a group of individuals here have 63 million dollars (after this year)....9 more years!
Jim Harbaugh was 2-4 and the Michigan fanbase "deserved better."
Jimmy studied real hard....learned how to coach from the fan base and won the conference last year.
James Franklin really needs our help. He needs to know the last two years are unacceptable. He needs to learn to spot failure and weakness in scheme and execution like we do.
Most of all he needs to want a winning program as much as WE do.

 

[PSU2UNC]

Since Lando brought up that Our "bad years" should be 9 or 10 wins, (which I wholeheartedly agree), what is your benchmark? You didn't really address that in your replies to Lando. Aren't we at the point with JF where PSU should be competing for conference titles, legitimately, on an annual basis? Of course, we won't win the B1G every yr, but as Pat Kraft said, all of our programs should be competing for championships. The football team hasn't truly been in the running since 2017. Without being snarky on your end, do you have those expectations for football or are you content with 10-2 at best?

10-2 is a successful year by anyone's metric. If we do that more often than not, everyone should be thrilled with that.

You cannot say "10-2 at best" because CJF has had THREE eleven win seasons in eight years. Do you have any idea how many program would kill to be able to say that?

PSU should have been in the playoff in 2016. The playoff system is somewhat broken and perhaps a fix is coming (or perhaps it will be worse, who knows).

So for my "non-snarky" expectations, anything less than 9 wins is disappointing (with the caveat that there are things are outliers, such as covid, that get granted exceptions), 10 wins is perfectly fine. In the current system making the playoffs every four years should be the goal. The new system (12 teams), we will have to see how it plays out, but every other year should probably be the goal.

Having said that, as eight win season isn't ground to fire your coach. Please never let PSU go down that path of other schools (Nebraska, Texas, most of the SEC) who fire good coaches and end up with worse coaches.

Finally, "Aren't we at the point with JF where PSU should be competing for conference titles, legitimately, on an annual basis? ": They are.

 

[marshall23]

I read about a quarter of this thread. Hard to argue anything said. With that said, it is human nature for a team to take less talented teams for granted, and get up for more talented rosters. I'm not saying that has happened to us this year, or that it will this weekend. But it happens every Saturday in cfb. Auburn will play its best game this weekend IMO. Don't take us lightly, not that you will. Good luck

Games are played by highly skilled athletes.....coached by men who have reached the highest echelon of their chosen profession. Athletes, coaches and officials err in the heat of competition.
Some here think that athletes are like computer components and their performance is somehow preordained by rating. LOL
Why play the game? Put all pertinent info in a computer program and generate results....declare a national champ. Would the fanboys still blame their coaches if we went to this?

 

[scrivener]

10-2 is a successful year by anyone's metric. If we do that more often than not, everyone should be thrilled with that.

You cannot say "10-2 at best" because CJF has had THREE eleven win seasons in eight years. Do you have any idea how many program would kill to be able to say that?

PSU should have been in the playoff in 2016. The playoff system is somewhat broken and perhaps a fix is coming (or perhaps it will be worse, who knows).

So for my "non-snarky" expectations, anything less than 9 wins is disappointing (with the caveat that there are things are outliers, such as covid, that get granted exceptions), 10 wins is perfectly fine. In the current system making the playoffs every four years should be the goal. The new system (12 teams), we will have to see how it plays out, but every other year should probably be the goal.

Having said that, as eight win season isn't ground to fire your coach. Please never let PSU go down that path of other schools (Nebraska, Texas, most of the SEC) who fire good coaches and end up with worse coaches.

Finally, "Aren't we at the point with JF where PSU should be competing for conference titles, legitimately, on an annual basis? ": They are.

Good post...agreed about not firing coaches with a bad year or two. The programs that have been doing that are in rinse and repeat mode. the only thing I disagree with is your last sentence. You think PSU is legitimately competing for conference titles annually? When was the last time?

 

[PSU2UNC]

Good post...the only thing I disagree with is your last sentence. You think PSU is legitimately competing for conference titles annually? When was the last time?

Depends on how you define "competing for conference titles".

Obviously they won in 2016.
In 2017, they lost a 1 pt game to OSU. They win that game, they win the East. I define that as "competing" but you may not.
In 2018, they lost a 1 pt game to OSU. The season went off the rails a bit after that but my WAG is that if they beat OSU there, they only lose one more game that season.
In 2019, they lost close games to Minnesota and Ohio State. I'd call that competing but you may not.
2020, covid year, does not count.
2021, I maintain if Clifford doesn't get injured they lose no more than one game, but there is obviously no way to know that. But this falls into my "exception" category as stated above (injury to QB is a big deal for any team).

Teams like Rutgers, Ilinois and Maryland are not competing for conference titles. PSU is. Again, just MHO. Your views may differ.

 

[scrivener]

Depends on how you define "competing for conference titles".

Obviously they won in 2016.
In 2017, they lost a 1 pt game to OSU. They win that game, they win the East. I define that as "competing" but you may not.
In 2018, they lost a 1 pt game to OSU. The season went off the rails a bit after that but my WAG is that if they beat OSU there, they only lose one more game that season.
In 2019, they lost close games to Minnesota and Ohio State. I'd call that competing but you may not.
2020, covid year, does not count.
2021, I maintain if Clifford doesn't get injured they lose no more than one game, but there is obviously no way to know that. But this falls into my "exception" category as stated above (injury to QB is a big deal for any team).

Teams like Rutgers, Ilinois and Maryland are not competing for conference titles. PSU is. Again, just MHO. Your views may differ.

I appreciate the back and forth discussion -- always nice to be able to friendly on a message board. No doubt, 2017, we were right there...one sack or batted pass away vs JT Barrett would have sealed the deal. Respectfully, you are far more generous than I am in your view as to how close PSU has been to a division crown since then In 2018, PSU lost three conference games...whether a couple were real close or not doesn't matter. It ended up being a four loss season. In 2019, yes, they had two losses, but still ended up two games behind OSU in the standings. 2020 doesnt count due to COVID. It's 2021 where I strongly disagree with you...that team was at its core, not very good, even with a healthy CLiff. The O-line was awful, both running and protection, obviously. The worst running game in decades. They got pounded at the LOS by Ill, Michigan, and Arkansas...it was embarrassing. PSU losing to Illinois was a disaster, with or without a healthy CLiff. The team lost six games...I disagree that a healthy Cliff subtracts five losses off the schedule...that team last year was just not very good. As for this year, I think Auburn will be a good litmus test for this group, especially up front as to the progress they have or haven't made, and where this season can go.

 

[PSU2UNC]

I appreciate the back and forth discussion -- always nice to be able to friendly on a message board. No doubt, 2017, we were right there...one sack or batted pass away vs JT Barrett would have sealed the deal. Respectfully, you are far more generous than I am in your view as to how close PSU has been to a division crown since then In 2018, PSU lost three conference games...whether a couple were real close or not doesn't matter. It ended up being a four loss season. In 2019, yes, they had two losses, but still ended up two games behind OSU in the standings. 2020 doesnt count due to COVID. It's 2021 where I strongly disagree with you...that team was at its core, not very good, even with a healthy CLiff. The O-line was awful, both running and protection, obviously. The worst running game in decades. They got pounded at the LOS by Ill, Michigan, and Arkansas...it was embarrassing. PSU losing to Illinois was a disaster, with or without a healthy CLiff. The team lost six games...I disagree that a healthy Cliff subtracts five losses off the schedule...that team last year was just not very good. As for this year, I think Auburn will be a good litmus test for this group, especially up front as to the progress they have or haven't made, and where this season can go.

Thanks, I appreciate the civil discourse and respect your opinion.

I would postulate that "close PSU has been to a division crown" (which is what you wrote above) is different than "competing for conference titles" but you can interpret the semantics however you like.

And I agree that last year's PSU team had its issues, but that doesn't preclude a team from winning the division.

 

[YYZ86]

But that doesn't always happen--that's the point. The expected isn't always the outcome but that doesn't mean you can't root for more but you should never root for less or be okay with less. It's very simple

And, yes, technically, since 1994 we haven't been relevant so...

Glad to hear you know that expectations don’t always happen. Progress. But who roots for less? No clue. Who is ok with less? No clue. Reality is less happens even against less talented teams. Reality is not your thing though. The near perfect drive late against Purdue is a character builder and confidence builder. Especially when an overthrown pass to a wide open WR became a pick six to put a win I doubt. That way of winning is far more important than meeting your expectations. I’m done. Hope PSU can win by enough each game the rest of the way so you are more at ease. Go State.

 

[YYZ86]

Actually one of the other sites had a break down of their starter's recruiting rankings versus our. On both sides of the ball, PSU was reasonably higher.

I believe we are but not by a wide margin. This is not a great Auburn team mainly because of their QB. My point is spare me that this is not a good win beating Auburn at Auburn because they have low talent. They have had top 20 recruiting classes since 2018.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

I believe we are but not by a wide margin. This is not a great Auburn team mainly because of their QB. My point is spare me that this is not a good win beating Auburn at Auburn because they have low talent. They have had top 20 recruiting classes since 2018.

Any win @Auburn is a good win. Last year, Alabama barely escaped with a win in 4 OT periods. Auburn was leading the entire game and Bama was extremely fortunate not to lose in regulation.

 

[LandoComando]

So is it 9 or 10 wins as the benchmark? Big difference. If 9 then '16-19 were satisfactory but I don't get that vibe from you. Must be 20 or is it we have to beat everyone not named scUM and O$U? What is your criteria to meet your expectations? Of course '20 and '21 were unacceptable. Then again you do seem to ignore the pandemic but other schools got through it much better so I get it.

Yeah, we can't use the pandemic when others got through it fine. It's illogical IMO
An average of 10 wins a year should be the goal. Sometimes 11 and sometimes 9 but average 10. Not 11 over 2 season.

 

[LandoComando]

Fans can have "high" expectations. Fans can have opinions. Fans can hold their breath and stomp their feet if they don't get what they want.
To what end?
I suppose collective bitching and moaning here is cathartic for some.
But the reality.....unless someone or a group of individuals here have 63 million dollars (after this year)....9 more years!
Jim Harbaugh was 2-4 and the Michigan fanbase "deserved better."
Jimmy studied real hard....learned how to coach from the fan base and won the conference last year.
James Franklin really needs our help. He needs to know the last two years are unacceptable. He needs to learn to spot failure and weakness in scheme and execution like we do.
Most of all he needs to want a winning program as much as WE do.

Fans only recourse is to stop spending money on the program unless changes happen. But when you're celebrating a win against Purdue they know mediocrity is fine.

 

[Parkerdam555]

The good news is that if Penn State wins, they go to 3-0 overall. Simple goals, simple posts...

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Fans only recourse is to stop spending money on the program unless changes happen. But when you're celebrating a win against Purdue they know mediocrity is fine.

You're such a moron.... I think you just like to hear yourself bloviate.

 

[LandoComando]

Glad to hear you know that expectations don’t always happen. Progress. But who roots for less? No clue. Who is ok with less? No clue. Reality is less happens even against less talented teams. Reality is not your thing though. The near perfect drive late against Purdue is a character builder and confidence builder. Especially when an overthrown pass to a wide open WR became a pick six to put a win I doubt. That way of winning is far more important than meeting your expectations. I’m done. Hope PSU can win by enough each game the rest of the way so you are more at ease. Go State.

This is our disagreement right here. We agree the last drive against Purdue can build character and confidence. 100% agree--that's why sometimes it's okay to be challenged by an inferior opponent as long as you win. But the argument here is that people don't comprehend why I'm "relieved" by beating Purdue as opposed to celebrating it. We all know we should always beat Purdue. We all know it won't always play out that way. And I'm not the one stressing about if we win or lose. I'm a college football fan that roots for Penn State. I grew up a Penn State fan and attended Penn State. I feel like the difference is most people here are "Penn State fans that hate the Big Ten and college football". I don't live and die with a win or loss. When we lose to an inferior opponent it's frustrated but it's become the norm and that's the problem.

 

[LandoComando]

You're such a moron.... I think you just like to hear yourself bloviate.

You can keep attacking me. That doesn't phase me. Unlike you I'm not emotional about this. I'm simply discussing something.

 

[LandoComando]

I believe we are but not by a wide margin. This is not a great Auburn team mainly because of their QB. My point is spare me that this is not a good win beating Auburn at Auburn because they have low talent. They have had top 20 recruiting classes since 2018.

A "good win" is fine but it's a game we should "expect to win" and if we don't win we shouldn't be "okay with it". I do give us credit for scheduling Auburn but we all know if we lose this game we're likely looking at another 7-5 type season which isn't acceptable. Auburn likely is a 6-6 type team this year.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

You can keep attacking me. That doesn't phase me. Unlike you I'm not emotional about this. I'm simply discussing something.

What does phasing you have to with you being an idiot, moron?

 

[LandoComando]

What does phasing you have to with you being an idiot, moron?

Because you continue to say it as though it does something. The reality is if my comments were "moronic" you wouldn't even be wasting time but you're so desperate to dispute what I'm saying but can't do so that you attack. It's okay...as I said, it doesn't phase me.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Because you continue to say it as though it does something. The reality is if my comments were "moronic" you wouldn't even be wasting time but you're so desperate to dispute what I'm saying but can't do so that you attack. It's okay...as I said, it doesn't phase me.

No, they're moronic.

 

[SpiritOf409]

I am watching they look terrible

San Jose State might be the worst team in the country. Too bad their non-conference game with us was canceled by the pandemic a few yrs back.

 

[LandoComando]

No, they're moronic.

so painful big guy

 

[lazydave841]

The football team hasn't truly been in the running since 2017.

In 2019, yes, they had two losses, but still ended up two games behind OSU in the standings.

If we beat OSU in '19, we go to the CCG against the West winner. Yes, we lost that game. Yes, it made us 2 conference losses. Still doesn't change the fact that if we had beat them, we win the East.

The game was relatively an åss kicking. Levis and Brown made a decent comeback, but they picked Levis off and ended the threat best I remember.

Still, we were right there. Just didn't have the offensive firepower nor the pass rush to win that day.

 

[Ian]

The Nits better hydrate big time because it will be sunny and hot with temps in the high 80’s. That’s the main issue and it will rear it’s ugly head in Q4 if they don’t. A lot of players will need to play early or they will be fried at the end. That’s the big opponent on Saturday.

 

[marshall23]

Fans only recourse is to stop spending money on the program unless changes happen. But when you're celebrating a win against Purdue they know mediocrity is fine.

Good luck organizing PSU fans to stop "spending money" on the program. 10 more years!

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Good luck organizing PSU fans to stop "spending money" on the program. 10 more years!

The notion that people who truly do support the university, team and student-athletes (especially alumni who typically are the largest financial supporters) are going to stop supporting the program because they believe this is "the best thing they can do for the team and the student-athletes" is so laughably stupid and moronic, it isn't even worth wasting bandwidth on.

 

[scrivener]

If we beat OSU in '19, we go to the CCG against the West winner. Yes, we lost that game. Yes, it made us 2 conference losses. Still doesn't change the fact that if we had beat them, we win the East.

The game was relatively an åss kicking. Levis and Brown made a decent comeback, but they picked Levis off and ended the threat best I remember.

Still, we were right there. Just didn't have the offensive firepower nor the pass rush to win that day.

Sure, I mean if PSU doesn't cough up that game vs MSU Homecoming 2018, and OSU the same yr. Whether the games are close or not, we haven't truly had a team that has been right there or talented enough since 2017.

 

[LandoComando]

Good luck organizing PSU fans to stop "spending money" on the program. 10 more years!

Agreed--it's not going to happen. Pirates fans still buy tickets