Baltimore State's Attorney: 'We Have Probable Cause To File Criminal Charges' Over Freddie Gray's De

[PSU65]

Were you watching National News?
I ask because I saw nothing on the local news that said anything like that.
I don't think any media source knew what was in the report until this afternoon.
Although there could have been a leak....nahhh that never happens.

Read it in Wash. Post on-line and saw it on the local DC News channels. After reading the Post story again, realized it was the police investigation they were talking about. That report went to the attorney's office in Baltimore, which ignored it and pressed charges anyway.

 

[Pardlion]

Here is the timeline...Pay special attention to to #4, 5 and 6.
I'm not sure where you are getting your "information" but its wrong.
I live in Balto. City and getting much more info than you are.

Thanks Mr. Baltimore expert (BTW, I have an internet connection).

But I have to ask: so what?

 

[Pardlion]

but they put it down as a switchblade anyway; apparently they knew it wasn't true and lied about it..

Did they?

 

[BBrown]

Thanks Mr. Baltimore expert (BTW, I have an internet connection).

But I have to ask: so what?

Your welcome but apparently it doesn't work too well.
Or at least its impaired your ability to be rational.
So what say you about #4,5 and 6?

 

[Pardlion]

Another medical examiner / doctor (I can't recall if it's the Fox News guy, I don't think it was) said that you don't see injuries like Gray got outside of a car wreck.

Um. There was no car wreck. So, methinks your medical expert is full of crap.

 

[Pardlion]

Your welcome but apparently it doesn't work too well.
Or at least its impaired your ability to be rational.
So what say you about #4,5 and 6?

He suffered a neck injury that no one else saw or knew about. Despite this, he was subsequently fully conscious and able to complain about his condition to the driver, and later an officer who probably thought the guy was passed out from drugs failed to get a response from him. Not ideal, but understandable in context.

Or, we could go with the dumb conspiracy theory . . .

 

[BBrown]

He suffered a neck injury that no one else saw or knew about. Despite this, he was subsequently fully conscious and able to complain about his condition to the driver, and later an officer who probably thought the guy was passed out from drugs failed to get a response from him. Not ideal, but understandable in context.

Or, we could go with the dumb conspiracy theory . . .

Realyl? thats what you got from that? that he was probably passed out on drugs?

So far tonight you are about 0-4 on your "facts"
When you get to the bottom of the hole, stop digging.

 

[Pardlion]

Realyl? thats what you got from that? that he was probably passed out on drugs?

Do you intentionally misstate what people say, or is it just that you can't read well?

And BTW, next time you want to dazzle me with facts, don't quote a summary of the prosecutor's presentation.

 

[BBrown]

Do you intentionally misstate what people say, or is it just that you can't read well?

And BTW, next time you want to dazzle me with facts, don't quote a summary of the prosecutor's presentation.

From what I've seen from you tonight I thought that was your forte.
And since you have an internet connection you can google the police timeline and its very similar.
Oh except they leave out an important stop.
But hey you already "know" everything. kind of like all those C/S/S haters that you are so quick to make comparisons too.
I on the other hand am trying to get all the "facts" from all sources before I render a knee jerk reaction.

 

[BBrown]

Do you intentionally misstate what people say, or is it just that you can't read well?

And BTW, next time you want to dazzle me with facts, don't quote a summary of the prosecutor's presentation.

By the way do you think that the Police timeline of events would be impartial?
Say as impartial as oh I don't know the BOT's paid for Freeh report?
I mean you opened that C/S/S door.

 

[Pardlion]

By the way do you think that the Police timeline of events would be impartial?
Say as impartial as oh I don't know the BOT's paid for Freeh report?
I mean you opened that C/S/S door.

Do the police actually have a different timeline, or are you just making up more bullshit?

 

[demlion]

Dude. He fled unprovoked. It's reasonable cause. I don't know about this knife thing, but expect to hear more or at least the cops will say they thought it was an illegal knife.

And yes, the case is easily explainable by a series of noncriminal screw ups: the cops injured Gray's neck when they arrested him or his neck was injured in a call that no one saw. They shouldn't have put him in without a seatbelt, but that's standard practice notwithstanding. They should have gotten him medical help, but no one realized until it was too late. It all makes a lot ore sense then some stupid conspiracy theory to the effect that 6 cops in different groups went out and murdered the guy for no good reason.

It. Is. Not. A. Crime. To. Run. Might in some circumstances be a basis for a stop and frisk, but it is not a crime, dickweed.

 

[Pardlion]

It. Is. Not. A. Crime. To. Run. Might in some circumstances be a basis for a stop and frisk, but it is not a crime, dickweed.

Duh. He wasn't arrested for running. He was arrested for having an illegal knife, which the prosecutor alleges wasn't illegal but the cops will say was illegal or they thought it was illegal.

He also fled a stop without provocation, which is a crime (for which he apparently was not arrested). He was also suspected if dealing drugs in an alley, and was hight on MJ and heroine.

So, you continue to be an idiot.

 

[SgtCarter]

she comes across as one of those chicks who slap each other on Jerry Springer

 

[demlion]

Duh. He wasn't arrested for running. He was arrested for having an illegal knife, which the prosecutor alleges wasn't illegal but the cops will say was illegal or they thought it was illegal.

He also fled a stop without provocation, which is a crime (for which he apparently was not arrested). He was also suspected if dealing drugs in an alley, and was hight on MJ and heroine.

So, you continue to be an idiot.

From your first post in this thread: "First of all, I'm not sure, but I suspect that fleeing from the police and resisting arrest is a crime. It's not a crime to flee from the police. It's not a crime no matter how many times you say it, and it is not a crime even if you try to pretend you did not say it, like you are doing now.

 

[NapaNit]

Duh. He wasn't arrested for running. He was arrested for having an illegal knife, which the prosecutor alleges wasn't illegal but the cops will say was illegal or they thought it was illegal.

He also fled a stop without provocation, which is a crime (for which he apparently was not arrested). He was also suspected if dealing drugs in an alley, and was hight on MJ and heroine.

So, you continue to be an idiot.

Pard, you are spinning out of control on this. You're showing so little reasonded thinking. We know you love your 'town' but it appears bad things have happened. Per BBrown, read as much as you can before judging. FWIW, I used to drive an ambulance in the greater NY Metro area. Many friends were "on the job" and they were good cops. But some, oh man, some were F scary. And....and....all carried knives, or more, for plants. Every single one.

 

[Pardlion]

From your first post in this thread: "First of all, I'm not sure, but I suspect that fleeing from the police and resisting arrest is a crime. It's not a crime to flee from the police. It's not a crime no matter how many times you say it, and it is not a crime even if you try to pretend you did not say it, like you are doing now.

It is a crime to resist a lawful stop and frisk, which is undoubtedly what occurred here. You are stupid.

 

[NapaNit]

It is a crime to resist a lawful stop and frisk, which is undoubtedly what occurred here. You are stupid.

It is a crime to resist a lawful stop and frisk, which is undoubtedly what occurred here. You are stupid.

PARD....go to bed. Seriously, just go to bed.

 

[Pardlion]

Pard, you are spinning out of control on this. You're showing so little reasonded thinking. We know you love your 'town' but it appears bad things have happened. Per BBrown, read as much as you can before judging. FWIW, I used to drive an ambulance in the greater NY Metro area. Many friends were "on the job" and they were good cops. But some, oh man, some were F scary. And....and....all carried knives, or more, for plants. Every single one.

No one has alleged that the knife was planted, so we don't care about your friends. Not sure why you think it's not "reasoned" to oppose the whacky conspiracy theory that 6 cops from different details conspired to murder some guy for no reason.

BTW, I was also right about Duke Lax, UVA Rape, PSU, Zimmerman, Ferguson and Amanda Knox. I've never been wrong on one of these media/mob rush-to-judgment things.

 

[NapaNit]

No one has alleged that the knife was planted, so we don't care about your friends. Not sure why you think it's not "reasoned" to oppose the whacky conspiracy theory that 6 cops from different details conspired to murder some guy for no reason.

BTW, I was also right about Duke Lax, UVA Rape, PSU, Zimmerman, Ferguson and Amanda Knox. I've never been wrong on one of these media/mob rush-to-judgment things.

No one has alleged that the knife was planted, so we don't care about your friends. Not sure why you think it's not "reasoned" to oppose the whacky conspiracy theory that 6 cops from different details conspired to murder some guy for no reason.

BTW, I was also right about Duke Lax, UVA Rape, PSU, Zimmerman, Ferguson and Amanda Knox. I've never been wrong on one of these media/mob rush-to-judgment things.

OK, stay up all night celebrating your 'rightness' on topics where no one was able to judge your perspicacity. As for you not caring about my 'friends, f*ck you....and f*ck your stupidity. You're clearly a racist.

 

[lionroar88]

The media, police, defense team, city hall, state prosecutor's office, etc all have their own motivations - and very few gel right how.

There is a lot of shadiness surrounding the state prosecutor and her ties to Freddie Gray's Lawyer, and the fact that her husband is the city councilman who represents the area that experienced the riots.

Also - as for the van ride. It happened in broad daylight along very busy roads... and not a single citizen has come forward stating they witnessed this 'wild and crazy' ride... did something happen? Yes. Does it amount to a second degree murder change? Don't know... no one has all the evidence yet.

Watch that press conference again. Watch her body language. Listen to the tone in her voice. Listen to the words she uses... something is fishy.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Kind of uppity, right?

 

[Pardlion]

As for you not caring about my 'friends, f*ck you....and f*ck your stupidity. You're clearly a racist.

I'm racist because I don't care about your knife-planting pals? OK.

BTW, if the police planted a knife on Freddie Gray, don't you think it would be a knife that was actually illegal for him to have been carrying?

 

[Pardlion]

Kind of uppity, right?

That's not what he said, but since it's your MO to try to ascribe racist sentiments to people whenever you are losing the argument (which is almost always), I'm unsurprised by your cheap shot.

 

[BBrown]

The media, police, defense team, city hall, state prosecutor's office, etc all have their own motivations - and very few gel right how.

There is a lot of shadiness surrounding the state prosecutor and her ties to Freddie Gray's Lawyer, and the fact that her husband is the city councilman who represents the area that experienced the riots.

Also - as for the van ride. It happened in broad daylight along very busy roads... and not a single citizen has come forward stating they witnessed this 'wild and crazy' ride... did something happen? Yes. Does it amount to a second degree murder change? Don't know... no one has all the evidence yet.

Watch that press conference again. Watch her body language. Listen to the tone in her voice. Listen to the words she uses... something is fishy.

Exactly there is so much in play here that for anyone to say they've seen all they need to is just off the rails nuts.

As for the van ride I still say with the condition of Baltimore streets there doesn't have to be anything "crazy" about it to cause injuries.
The streets in the city, especially through certain areas are a mess heck the main ones into the city, Orleans, Madison, Rt 1/North Ave
are bad.

 

[Pardlion]

Exactly there is so much in play here that for anyone to say they've seen all they need to is just off the rails nuts.

Interesting observation, yet no one here has said such a thing, so it's not pertinent.

A number of points have been made:

1. It appears that no one saw/knew that Gray had a serious spine injury.
2. No one saw a "rough ride"
3. Different details of cops came on the scene at different times, and no one had perfect knowledge about what was going on.

So, again, this whole thing is easily explainable by a series of screw ups, and it takes a whole lot of creativity to imagine that 6 different cops set out that day to persecute their snitch, ultimately murdering him. Those of us who learned our lesson from Louis Freeh know to assume that the simple explanation applies, and not some crazy conspiracy theory that the press, the prosecutor and some dingbats on this board are peddling. Hey, maybe the conspiracy theory will turn out to be right, but we're going to need a whole lot more evidence before we get there.

 

[BBrown]

Interesting observation, yet no one here has said such a thing, so it's not pertinent.

A number of points have been made:

1. It appears that no one saw/knew that Gray had a serious spine injury.
2. No one saw a "rough ride"
3. Different details of cops came on the scene at different times, and no one had perfect knowledge about what was going on.

So, again, this whole thing is easily explainable by a series of screw ups, and it takes a whole lot of creativity to imagine that 6 different cops set out that day to persecute their snitch, ultimately murdering him. Those of us who learned our lesson from Louis Freeh know to assume that the simple explanation applies, and not some crazy conspiracy theory that the press, the prosecutor and some dingbats on this board are peddling. Hey, maybe the conspiracy theory will turn out to be right, but we're going to need a whole lot more evidence before we get there.

Except this

I've heard enough about this case to know that it's easily explainable by a series of non-criminal screw ups, just like the case against CSS, and this always turns out to be the right answer when the alternative is a massive, evil, unlikely conspiracy.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

Well, you would do well to remember who told you that. Good thing to know for future controversial news stories.

In most jurisdictions, once you arrest someone, you are responsible for their safety. The prosecutor says they violated OPD rules by not restraining him so that the momentum of the van tossed him about the vehicle. She also says that the ignored obvious signs of severe physical distress. If this is proven true, why would anyone defend them? Let the facts come out in court. Statements to police in Ferguson were later proven to be deliberate lies. Let justice be completed.

There is also irony that police want witnesses to speak up but universally refuse to speak up about illegal acts of their fellow police. You cannot have it both ways, respect for your position and refusal to police your ranks.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

Except this

LOL. You know almost nothing because nothing said has been proven to be true in a court of law. That is where truth is determined.

 

[BBrown]

LOL. You know almost nothing because nothing said has been proven to be true in a court of law. That is where truth is determined.

Not even sure what you are quoting me on. the quote you picked is incomplete from the conversation that was going on.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

That's not what he said, but since it's your MO to try to ascribe racist sentiments to people whenever you are losing the argument (which is almost always), I'm unsurprised by your cheap shot.

LOL. I think you are proving Napa right.

For my own part, I hesitate to defend anybody who has been charged with a crime that has the word "depraved" in it. I think that is a good policy for me to follow. Some labels take on a transformative property, imho.

 

[Pardlion]

Except this

Both quotes consistent with my ultimate thesis, which is that conspiracy-loving dingbats like you are nuts.

 

[Pardlion]

For my own part, I hesitate to defend anybody who has been charged with a crime that has the word "depraved" in it. I think that is a good policy for me to follow.

Really, so all the prosecutor has to say is "depraved" and you turn into a doe-eyed teenage girl?

 

[Pardlion]

LOL. You know almost nothing because nothing said has been proven to be true in a court of law. That is where truth is determined.

Not necessarily.

 

[BBrown]

Both quotes consistent with my ultimate thesis, which is that conspiracy-loving dingbats like you are nuts.

LOL, you really aren't getting this are you?
There is and hasn't been anything conspiratorial in what I've been saying.
If you actually read my posts without a predetermined agenda you'll see that I've said from the very beginning
that there is far too much in play to form any "ultimate thesis".

I think there are some serious questions that need to be answered by the police. I've lived in the city for 25+ years. I've seen first hand
some of the policies (O'Malley's Zero policy specifically) and there are some real problems with it.

But I've also seen overzealous States Attorney's and Attorney Generals.

Like the issues I have with the police I have some questions about Mosby's husband and her impartiality.

So yea no conspiracies here but hey continue believing YOU have it all figured out.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Both quotes consistent with my ultimate thesis, which is that conspiracy-loving dingbats like you are nuts.

Everybody here can see that you are the one pushing a conspiracy theory. For goodness sake, the easiest answer is usually the right answer.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Really, so all the prosecutor has to say is "depraved" and you turn into a doe-eyed teenage girl?

Pretty much any time somebody tells me a behavior is depraved it does get my attention. I think that is a wise policy.

 

[Pardlion]

Pretty much any time somebody tells me a behavior is depraved it does get my attention. I think that is a wise policy.

Lol. You must have been really out of sorts when you heard that joe covered up anal rape for the good of the football program.

 

[demlion]

Hey pard, there is so little known by the public onthis that of necessity everything you say is a result of your "instincts" and "gut feelings" and therefore a huge waste of time. Funny how easy it is for you to see that the prosecutor terribly overcharged the cops. Clearly that so-called 'fact" makes you very angry. But somehow you have a great difficulty seeing how it is that a the same prosecutors, in league with the same police department, might overcharge people like Freddie Gray all the time. Maybe some of those folks who were rioting have been overcharged a time or two themselves. But the problem only crops up when you think the cops are treated unfairly. got it.

 

[Pardlion]

Hey pard, there is so little known by the public onthis that of necessity everything you say is a result of your "instincts" and "gut feelings" and therefore a huge waste of time. Funny how easy it is for you to see that the prosecutor terribly overcharged the cops. Clearly that so-called 'fact" makes you very angry. But somehow you have a great difficulty seeing how it is that a the same prosecutors, in league with the same police department, might overcharge people like Freddie Gray all the time. Maybe some of those folks who were rioting have been overcharged a time or two themselves. But the problem only crops up when you think the cops are treated unfairly. got it.

It's just that I demand strict proof before I buy into a conspiracy theory, unlike credulous you.

I don't know what facts you have that makes you assume that this prosecutor goes around overcharging people all the time. Sound to me like you're making stuff up. But, I don't like it if you're right.

I do have a problem with people getting overcharged for what amounts to negligence in carrying out their jobs, especially when the charges are politically motivated. Not sure why you're such a fan boy of overcharging cops.