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Bassett to Iowa

And you know this how? This is exactly the type of petty sour grapes that we should strive to be above.
Who is being petty? Everyone on this board knows that I have been a vocal opponent of the Bo Bassett marketing/auction campaign since last summer. It never felt right to me. So no sour grapes here. This is one of those situations where everyone got what they wanted. There were no losers. That said, it is perfectly fine to point out what DID happen. The Bassett marketing campaign worked. Good luck to Bo and I hope he always placed behind the PSU guy.
 
All BS aside, what's the proportion of Young Guns recruits who didn't choose Iowa?

Going to Iowa is stupid but not surprising.
 
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Our volume may suggest a meltdown to Hawk visitors, but the content seems quite measured. The “power of gold” tipped the scale to Hawks over Cowboys (silly me thinks we were always a longshot due to the real possibility of Bo not making the starting lineup ). Heresy against such a phenom? Nah, not with Blaze and Duke in the room.
I’m with @tikk10. Bo to Iowa energizes our sport’s best rivalry. I wish him an injury-free career and, graciously, only four losses to Lions, one each coming annually and dramatically in late March.
 
Our volume may suggest a meltdown to Hawk visitors, but the content seems quite measured. The “power of gold” tipped the scale to Hawks over Cowboys (silly me thinks we were always a longshot due to the real possibility of Bo not making the starting lineup ). Heresy against such a phenom? Nah, not with Blaze and Duke in the room.
I’m with @tikk10. Bo to Iowa energizes our sport’s best rivalry. I wish him an injury-free career and, graciously, only four losses to Lions, one each coming annually and dramatically in late March.
I want 12 losses. I see no need to default the dual matchup nor Big10s.
 
I actually get a little nervous that we're seeing that situation now when you look how badly Penn State has beaten all of the opponents so far this season. I'll always be rooting for our guys to win, but it will help keep the sport strong if teams like Ok State and Iowa get to the point where there's some serious competition for the national championship.
Hasn't this pretty much been the entire history of the sport though?
 
Which is the kid's every right to do.

What some Iowa folk apparently want is for people not to notice.
Yep. Have no problem whatever his reason is. Also have no problem how Iowa got him to go there as long as it's within the rules.

I kinda like Tom knowing that one PA kid already got him an extension instead of being replaced and another one committed at a perfect time to help when his contract runs out in a couple years. :)
 
Look I’m a Penn State fan through and through but I couldn’t fathom sitting through that Friday and picking the other side. But money talks.
I say the same thing when Ohio State beats Penn State on the field every Fall the other way. Of course sane people would rather be part of Ohio State football right now.
Penn State football fans are very pessimistic but the reality is that Penn State football has been much closer to beating Ohio State than Iowa has been to supplanting Penn State in wrestling.
 
Yep. Have no problem whatever his reason is. Also have no problem how Iowa got him to go there as long as it's within the rules.

I kinda like Tom knowing that one PA kid already got him an extension instead of being replaced and another one committed at a perfect time to help when his contract runs out in a couple years. :)
I am all for anything that keeps getting the twins extended.
 
Wouldn't be so sure this is going to help the Squawkeyes by the time he gets there... - tell me, let's assume you're currently at cornville and winning matches for them (and even potentially AA'ing for them) and you have eligibility after this year (and other programs interested in your services), how are you going to feel about a HS Jr being paid many multiples what you are when he shows up in the 26-27? How you figure what just took place is good for the Squawkeye locker-room is beyond me - the lesson the Squawkeyes just taught all their wrestlers by participating in the orchestrated "blind auction" seeking as many bidders as possible to jack the price up as high as possible... - they taught their existing mercenaries they should follow the money.
Just awakening from a log winters nap (post surgery) to catch up on the saga of BB. Can’t do a whole lot today so I spent the morning reading all 5 pages of PSU reaction to this semi-disappointment. Gotta say that most of us have a balanced view of Bo’s choice. I always remember l all the other high profile recruitments I’ve watched over the last 30-40 years (maybe longer). While the internet has accelerated the hype train,
It is my observation that only about 50-70% of elite cruits AA, less than 40% win a Natty, and only 1 in 10 wins multiple Nattys. Maybe I’m a bit off with these numbers, but, the fact is that stockpiling 2-3 elite recruits each year is the best strategy for building National Championship teams. Bo’s gonna be good in college, but, his chances of winning 3-4 natty’s is low …. and having “ONE” elite recruit in Iowa ain’t gonna change the weather in March. I now return to the sleepy somnolence of my meds.
 
Maybe he will get decked in the semis and not be bothered to wrestle in the consis. Just like his favorite wrestler.
No, no. This is high school. To truly emulate Spencer he has to tear an ACL and lose 6-5 in the finals to somebody he teched last year.
 
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It’s all good. Just read a post on GIA that we are in full meltdown. I don’t see that but folks would prob be posting the same here if roles were reversed. Iowa needed a dub and I’m kind of glad they got one. I don’t see Bo as a game-changer vs us but I guess we will see. Good luck to Bo.
Iowa fans basically shutting down the state to celebrate Bassett. I didn't see any invitation to get off work and party when [insert major recruit] committed to Penn State.

In fact, my experience has been that the more ballyhooed a recruit is, the less likely it is that they'll commit to Penn State.

Yet here we are, steadily breaking Gable's records...
 
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As the investment rises, so do expectations on ROI.

A bunch of cash has already been set aside for BB when he arrives in 2 years, yet the Hawks still have holes for next season.

It should be interesting. Now that college wrestlers see what's possible Bob might have unwittingly started a bidding war against himself in the portal. Maybe he has no limit to what he's willing to spend, but it doesn't come without pressure on the twins to produce.
 
Hasn't this pretty much been the entire history of the sport though?
Not really. Look at the 2018 dual with Ohio State and the NCAA championships that same year. That was one of the most exciting seasons in a long time and Bo's pin in the NCAA finals really capped it off. I like seeing Penn State win but I also know that the survival of the sport is way more important than any one team. Exciting competition is what attracts attention.
 
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Yep, that mountain of Olympic gold that former PSU wrestlers are sitting on🙄. The all-time number is one, fewer than four years since it was cast. Spencer out placing the rest of the men's team and every NLWC athlete last year must have been a fluke. I don't doubt that the NLWC is currently stacked, and I was in Paris cheering just as loud for the NLWC guys as I was for Spencer. But to say the only way someone like Bo can achieve world and Oly greatness is by going to PSU just shows how myopic and spoiled some of you have become with the success of others with which you've had absolutely nothing to do.

Whether by the long haul or the bandwagon, you're all fans of what is shaping up to be among the greatest college sports dynasty runs ever, yet many here insist on trashing kids/young men who deign to enroll elsewhere, questioning their motives, fabricating or embellishing nonsense from Twitter rumors about bags as though no one in Happy Valley has an NIL contract (including the current largest in the sport), and even disparaging the faith they reference as guiding their decision. I know the Internet loud mouths don't represent the entire fanbase, but some of you really need perspective. Just wish the kid well and move on with your lives, which likely include PSU titles for at least the next couple of years.
My answer is, when I can open Twitter and not see Iowa fans bringing up Jerry Sandusky in response to a recruiting battle, then I'll care when you want to give us moral lectures
 
If you had to pick between getting the top 2 wrestlers from 2025 vs 2026, raise your hand if you’d prefer 2025 guys…

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Who is being petty? Everyone on this board knows that I have been a vocal opponent of the Bo Bassett marketing/auction campaign since last summer. It never felt right to me. So no sour grapes here. This is one of those situations where everyone got what they wanted. There were no losers. That said, it is perfectly fine to point out what DID happen. The Bassett marketing campaign worked. Good luck to Bo and I hope he always placed behind the PSU guy.
You basically said a high school kid was bought and paid for and that's the only reason he went where he did, without any actual proof of any of it. That's petty sour grapes in my book. Be better. We're better than that.
 
Penn State football fans are very pessimistic but the reality is that Penn State football has been much closer to beating Ohio State than Iowa has been to supplanting Penn State in wrestling.
True. But at the same time, Iowa has beaten Penn State on the mats since Penn State has beaten Ohio State, and Iow a wrestling also has a natty. So while Penn State has been closer on the field, Iowa wrestling overall has still achieved much more than Penn State football.
 
You basically said a high school kid was bought and paid for and that's the only reason he went where he did, without any actual proof of any of it. That's petty sour grapes in my book. Be better. We're better than that.
Isn't that the way it played out? His "schedule" for his recruitment was drastically altered because he received an incredible monetary offer with an expiration date (seemingly hours after PSU wrecked Iowa). Facts seem to bear out the premise that the offer was much greater than any other offer available. I don't think it's sour grapes but instead it's an accurate portrayal of what actually happened. People are free to make all sorts of after-the-fact rationalizations for his decision, but, frankly, those ring very hollow.
 
You basically said a high school kid was bought and paid for and that's the only reason he went where he did, without any actual proof of any of it. That's petty sour grapes in my book. Be better. We're better than that.
I never understand the "We're better than that".

Not hating on the enemy because you are so much better is like the ultimate in condescension.
That's what the Iowa folks who say, "you win every title, why do you care what Gabe says" don't get in my opinion. Looking down on others like you won't even engage because you're too good is a much worse look than just opining honestly. That's Ohio State and Michigan football stuffiness, the last place I ever want to be.
 
True. But at the same time, Iowa has beaten Penn State on the mats since Penn State has beaten Ohio State, and Iow a wrestling also has a natty. So while Penn State has been closer on the field, Iowa wrestling overall has still achieved much more than Penn State football.
Iowa had a natty largely due to the nonsense caused by cancelling 20 and giving some, but not all, guys an extra year. Looking back at how 20 was seeded, I think Penn State pulls out the win. And without the changes in eligibility, I'm not sure Iowa wins a team title after that.

Saying Iowa has achieved more than Penn State football is questionable because until this year, the whole format of college football regularly allowed good teams to not compete because of bad luck or bias. See 2017 UCF.

Penn State football fans regularly play the game of exaggerating the dominance of Ohio State. Average score in the last 8 games was 31-23 Ohio State. That's a lot closer than Iowa has been on average. And several of those losses of ours come with caveats that were beyond Penn State's control.
 
Just awakening from a log winters nap (post surgery) to catch up on the saga of BB. Can’t do a whole lot today so I spent the morning reading all 5 pages of PSU reaction to this semi-disappointment. Gotta say that most of us have a balanced view of Bo’s choice. I always remember l all the other high profile recruitments I’ve watched over the last 30-40 years (maybe longer). While the internet has accelerated the hype train,
It is my observation that only about 50-70% of elite cruits AA, less than 40% win a Natty, and only 1 in 10 wins multiple Nattys. Maybe I’m a bit off with these numbers, but, the fact is that stockpiling 2-3 elite recruits each year is the best strategy for building National Championship teams. Bo’s gonna be good in college, but, his chances of winning 3-4 natty’s is low …. and having “ONE” elite recruit in Iowa ain’t gonna change the weather in March. I now return to the sleepy somnolence of my meds.
Hoping recovery is uncomplicated, straightforward and relatively quick.
 
Isn't that the way it played out? His "schedule" for his recruitment was drastically altered because he received an incredible monetary offer with an expiration date (seemingly hours after PSU wrecked Iowa). Facts seem to bear out the premise that the offer was much greater than any other offer available. I don't think it's sour grapes but instead it's an accurate portrayal of what actually happened. People are free to make all sorts of after-the-fact rationalizations for his decision, but, frankly, those ring very hollow.
Agree with this. Sour grapes implies you're butt hurt about something and then making up stuff to fit your narrative.

I think the vast majority of this board are unfazed at how this played out and wouldn't want PSU to go to the lengths that Iowa needed to to land one kid who is a great wrestler, but certainly not any greater than 5 or 6 kids in the 2025 and 2026 classes.

Iowa really needed to do this - [shrugs shoulders] - we didn't. Okie State didn't either. Good luck. As far as I'm concerned we have two kids coming in this year who are at least as good of recruits and probably a little better IMO. And we still have a shot for another one. It's not like we can get them all.
 
Agree with this. Sour grapes implies you're butt hurt about something and then making up stuff to fit your narrative.

I think the vast majority of this board are unfazed at how this played out and wouldn't want PSU to go to the lengths that Iowa needed to to land one kid who is a great wrestler, but certainly not any greater than 5 or 6 kids in the 2025 and 2026 classes.

Iowa really needed to do this - [shrugs shoulders] - we didn't. Okie State didn't either. Good luck. As far as I'm concerned we have two kids coming in this year who are at least as good of recruits and probably a little better IMO. And we still have a shot for another one. It's not like we can get them all.
Getting as many as we do makes for great entertainment. All one must do is stand outside Lorenzo and watch Larry Lee come up to every PSU kid asking if he (Larry) can hook the PSU kid up with a meeting. Larry subtly points by nudging his head towards the weight training area of Lorenzo where Bob is standing with cash bags and Bobby wearing a yellow Hawkeye wrestling security shirt.
 
You basically said a high school kid was bought and paid for and that's the only reason he went where he did, without any actual proof of any of it. That's petty sour grapes in my book. Be better. We're better than that.
It’s high school man, he's 18, not 12. You mean even though Richie O (and several other wrestling reporters) confirmed that the NIL deal Iowa offered was significantly bigger than any other NIL package that was offered by other schools?
 
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So, will he be the future head coach.? The Squakeye faithful seems to think that he will be a 4 timer? How does Spencer feel about this development?
 
Iowa had a natty largely due to the nonsense caused by cancelling 20 and giving some, but not all, guys an extra year. Looking back at how 20 was seeded, I think Penn State pulls out the win. And without the changes in eligibility, I'm not sure Iowa wins a team title after that.

Saying Iowa has achieved more than Penn State football is questionable because until this year, the whole format of college football regularly allowed good teams to not compete because of bad luck or bias. See 2017 UCF.

Penn State football fans regularly play the game of exaggerating the dominance of Ohio State. Average score in the last 8 games was 31-23 Ohio State. That's a lot closer than Iowa has been on average. And several of those losses of ours come with caveats that were beyond Penn State's control.
Iowa has a national title and has beaten them in the arena.

If that isn't more successful than a team who has neither beaten the adversary nor won the grandest of prizes, I will agree to disagree.
 
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Isn't that the way it played out? His "schedule" for his recruitment was drastically altered because he received an incredible monetary offer with an expiration date (seemingly hours after PSU wrecked Iowa). Facts seem to bear out the premise that the offer was much greater than any other offer available. I don't think it's sour grapes but instead it's an accurate portrayal of what actually happened. People are free to make all sorts of after-the-fact rationalizations for his decision, but, frankly, those ring very hollow.
What facts? Internet rumors?
 
What else is he going to say? In the history of sports, how many have admittednsi signing for the money? Believe it or not, some people actually have real information regarding this recruitment.
Athletes routinely tell us it was all about the money. Their phrase is usually "I chose them because they showed me the most "LOVE". Although it might be spelled L$VE
 
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How would I (or you) possibly know that? It’s just wrong to jump to conclusions that is something nefarious. He himself said the NIL offers were all similar. Maybe he just made up his mind and wanted to be done with it? Who knows.
Most of us have heatd enough coach-speak to not take him at face value.

Again: something changed to make him abruptly terminate his recruitment.

With the exception of a possible short-fuse offer, everything else -- Spencer Idol, publicity, face of the program, coaches, teammates, RTC, facilities, academics, campus, proximity, etc. -- everything was exactly the same.

So then why the abrupt change?

And BTW, I never said he ahouldn't take the money or this waa nefarious. Those are your inferences.
 
Stop being so naive. The "offers being similar" is a fig leaf to hide the fact that it was all about money. The offers were not similar in any multiverse version of this story. The Bassetts got Slumlord to outbid his own highest bid. Congrats to the family. It was well played.
This right here
 
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Which is the kid's every right to do.

What some Iowa folk apparently want is for people not to notice.
It certainly is, but quit the bs "Iowa has always been my favorite, I've known my whole life its where I wanted to go" I call BS on this take
 
You basically said a high school kid was bought and paid for and that's the only reason he went where he did, without any actual proof of any of it. That's petty sour grapes in my book. Be better. We're better than that.
I don't know what your problem is, but Bo WAS bought and paid for. Quite literally. If you disagree that is fine. I don't care. Just stop insulting everyone's intelligence by saying people have sour grapes if they disagree with you.
 
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