Nope. Got 7th and needs an at large to get in, which he will get.
Big 12 Championship Finals
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Incredible! Two great wrestlers right there. Downey is a horse!
#1 O'Toole
#2 Mesenbrink
#3 Ramirez
#4 Carr
#2 Mesenbrink
#3 Ramirez
#4 Carr
No chance they put Carr and O’Toole on the same side. The blowback would be crazy.
Luckily for him the winner isn't based on number of shots.
KOT v Carr match was great. Didn't see anything that led me to think that Mesenbrink can't beat either one. Not saying he is favored, just that he is right with them.
They said the same thing with Nolf and Kem. But they did it anyway
Like the blowback when Zain and Stieber were on the same side?
Carr and O'Toole might be separated. NCAA doesn't hear blowback.
They going to have to unless they move Carr to 6 seed. No way he can be ahead of MM and Ramirez
Seems pretty straightforward to me with Carr as the 4. The loss to Ramirez killed any chance at the 3 with this loss
Hamiti has to be the 5. If Carr wins it this year he will have earned it big time. He’d have to go thru Hamiti quarter, Otoole Semi and hopefully Mitchell in finals
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Neither will have the opportunity to wrestle in slow motion, like they always do when they wrestle each other.
You cannot have David Carr ahead of Mitchell Mesenbrink. Period.
Yeah. If I were to wager , I’d take MM over Carr, but probably not over KOT
What has Carr earned this year to deserve the 2 or 3? His title was at 157. He didn't win the B12.
The last single he could have moved to a double so easily but didn't take it for some reason
They will not have a choice. The only way that happens is by:
1) putting MM at the one which is an insult to KOT
2) putting Carr at the three over Ramirez who has the h2h win and win his conference.
If KOT and Carr are on opposite sides than that is some major tomfoolery with seeding.
Carr and Ramirez seeding
H2H Ramirez 25
Conference finish Ramirez 15
Coaches. Carr is 2 and Ramirez is 3. Does that change now? TBD
RPI Carr will stay ahead 10
Win% both are 22-2. Split
Common opponent
Both lost to O’Toole, both beat Garvin, both beat Heller from Pitt,
Carr beat Olejnik, Ramirez lost
Give Carr 10
Ramirez has 40 for sure. If coaches rank him higher he will be the 3 for sure. If not, quality wins decides it.
H2H Ramirez 25
Conference finish Ramirez 15
Coaches. Carr is 2 and Ramirez is 3. Does that change now? TBD
RPI Carr will stay ahead 10
Win% both are 22-2. Split
Common opponent
Both lost to O’Toole, both beat Garvin, both beat Heller from Pitt,
Carr beat Olejnik, Ramirez lost
Give Carr 10
Ramirez has 40 for sure. If coaches rank him higher he will be the 3 for sure. If not, quality wins decides it.
I think O'Toole is gonna have to go through Hamiti this time instead of Carr.
I think MM can beat Carr. I think he will out scramble and out pace Carr.
MM will need to avoid scrambles and finish clean against KOT. He is long like Hamiti, but at least against Carr didn't show that high pace. It's a really tall task, but so far MM has been up to it.
MM will need to avoid scrambles and finish clean against KOT. He is long like Hamiti, but at least against Carr didn't show that high pace. It's a really tall task, but so far MM has been up to it.
MM is undefeated while Carr and Ramirez each have two losses. Ramirez beat car so he's gotta be seeded ahead of Carr. That makes it KOT, MM, Ramirez and Carr.
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