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I remain a confused NIL skeptic. If I had $100 million I still wouldn't be thinking about paying some highschool kid 6-7 figures to play at my alma mater. All the while needing to consider it starts all over again next year, and the next year, and the next,... I love PSU and wrestling, but my mind still can't wrap around this concept for sports that lose money every year.

Does not even get to next year. If the cafeteria is out of tater tots they portal after one game.
 
I’m with u I think Basset most likely destination is PSU, I just don’t understand y ppl rooting for Iowa/okiestate if it isn’t tho
Bo to Iowa would be baffling to me. Iowa has shown a poor ability to develop / improve athletes. The list of wrestlers who haven’t met their goals at Iowa vastly outnumbers those who have achieved their goals. Also, objectively, Bo’s wrestling style is unlike anything I’ve seen at Iowa in the past 10 years. Bo has Iowa on his short list for the sole purpose of broadening his fan base.
 
A few takes on this. First Rutgers won’t get him, Bo already tech falled their greatest wrestler on all time while in HS. The statue and 40 ft mural of Ashnault won’t impress him.

Nil will be a factor but won’t be the biggest part or he would have signed at Iowa. I am sure Bobby offered a solid dollar figure.

His marketing and approach is changing wrestling. I could see colleges wanting him and paying top dollar, knowing they will get a huge return. I think every kid knows him. Heck he is the center fold in the $40 rudis magazine which is filled with pics of JB, Snyder and even Spencer Lee.

This weekend will be the first time I see him live at Powerade. I might even get an autograph, just kidding , no I am not

How is any college going to “get a huge return”? Financially? How many more tickets is he going to sell? Go see him once… 2 minute tech fall… been there done that. If he’s as good as advertised most matches will be boring.

No single wrestler is moving the needle for any program. PSU or Iowa or OKSt aren’t getting more eyeballs than they already get. 90% of programs don’t draw more than 1000/meet. Even if he doubles attendance (not happening) isn’t a huge return.
 
I remain a confused NIL skeptic. If I had $100 million I still wouldn't be thinking about paying some highschool kid 6-7 figures to play at my alma mater. All the while needing to consider it starts all over again next year, and the next year, and the next,... I love PSU and wrestling, but my mind still can't wrap around this concept for sports that lose money every year.

The only scenario that makes a little sense to my feeble brain is a business with a massive advertising budget to throw around (Nike & Phil Knight, Oregon) Granted I think he is now using his personal wealth with a few more zeros).

As for Bo and commanding $1 Mill? Whomever is writing that check should watch the movieo moneyball first.

Merry Christmas, and in the spirit of Christmas I encourage anyone with that kind of financial flexibility to focus on thinking of affecting more than one person with that kind of gift. No matter your faith or political affiliation there are oodles of fantastic charities doing great work for those in real need.
The biggest NIL paydays come from VERY rich kids buying toys for their own pleasure. For this class of wealth, just the annual interest on principal can fund many NIL bags. Yes, there are better philanthropic pursuits than enriching an athlete in hopes of improving a favorite college team, but, meh, it’s the rich kid’s money to spend how they want. An eternal optimist who grew up dirt poor, I like to think NIL’s largest spenders donate far more to the oodles of fantastic charities you cite. If they don’t, I’m not above wishing that their NIL projects fail. ;)
 
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The biggest NIL paydays come from VERY rich kids buying toys for their own pleasure. For this class of wealth, just the annual interest on principal can fund many NIL bags. Yes, there are better philanthropic pursuits than enriching an athlete in hopes of improving a favorite college team, but, meh, it’s the rich kid’s money to spend how they want. An eternal optimist who grew up dirt poor, I like to think NIL’s largest spenders donate far more to the oodles of fantastic charities you cite. If they don’t, I’m not above wishing that their NIL projects fail. ;)
Okie State is an example of the rich kid spending his money with the hiring of David Taylor. Does the rich kid continue to spend his money on NIL at Okie State? For the rich kid, NIL in Olympic sports is a lot cheaper than it is for football and basketball.

OTOH, what is the NIL delta to go to Okie State versus PSU where you have the best coaches in the world and the best room in the USA. How much is possible Olympic glory worth to someone?
 
I think what will eventually be the norm in college sports is a tiered NIL program. In coming Freshman offered x and then after each year an increase of x. If possible NCAA needs to allow a student athlete to transfer after his freshman year and every 2 years after that without limits.A grad student would be allowed an additional transfer also . That technically allows a STUDENT athlete 3 transfers and opportunities to improve his NIL situation. The NCAA is already adapting the red shirt rules. I think eventually 5 years will become the allowable participation of a sport. Obviously the upper end football/basketball player would have the professional option.
 
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How is any college going to “get a huge return”? Financially? How many more tickets is he going to sell? Go see him once… 2 minute tech fall… been there done that. If he’s as good as advertised most matches will be boring.

No single wrestler is moving the needle for any program. PSU or Iowa or OKSt aren’t getting more eyeballs than they already get. 90% of programs don’t draw more than 1000/meet. Even if he doubles attendance (not happening) isn’t a huge return.
Alumni will pony up more donations if a program is winning
 
The biggest NIL paydays come from VERY rich kids buying toys for their own pleasure. For this class of wealth, just the annual interest on principal can fund many NIL bags. Yes, there are better philanthropic pursuits than enriching an athlete in hopes of improving a favorite college team, but, meh, it’s the rich kid’s money to spend how they want. An eternal optimist who grew up dirt poor, I like to think NIL’s largest spenders donate far more to the oodles of fantastic charities you cite. If they don’t, I’m not above wishing that their NIL projects fail. ;)
When you see how poorly most charities are run or how much actually gets to those in need, you get why folk dump money into sports. If you dig you can find many that really get the help to those in need but many do the minimum.
 
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Okie State is an example of the rich kid spending his money with the hiring of David Taylor. Does the rich kid continue to spend his money on NIL at Okie State? For the rich kid, NIL in Olympic sports is a lot cheaper than it is for football and basketball.

OTOH, what is the NIL delta to go to Okie State versus PSU where you have the best coaches in the world and the best room in the USA. How much is possible Olympic glory worth to someone?
The OSU benefactor does not participate in NIL to my understanding. He is spending money on developing high school wrestling in OK.
 
If OKSt is actually paying $17,000 to fly him and his teammates down there it's kind of a dick move if he doesn't choose them.
I doubt OkSt directly paid the $17K, that would be a NCAA violation. You can pay for an official visit, you cannot pay for an unofficial visit. That would include someone with official ties to OkSt not being able to pay for the trip.

Did someone pay for Bishop McCourt going to the tournament? Different question, where there is smoke, there is most likely some fire.
 
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As the NIL part takes hold there eventually will be not that much difference between what most programs offer. As that occurs during the NIL maturation process things will come down to where do I feel comfortable, where do I think I can achieve my goals.

I am comfortable with the belief Bo is going to be a Lion.
 
I doubt OkSt directly paid the $17K, that would be a NCAA violation. You can pay for an official visit, you cannot pay for an unofficial visit. That would include someone with official ties to OkSt not being able to pay for the trip.

Did someone pay for Bishop McCourt going to the tournament? Different question, where there is smoke, there is most likely some fire.
Who is worried about NCAA violations when it comes to paying athletes or prospective athletes in the current environment?
Pay for play is a violation too, that includes someone with official ties. Those arrangements are practically advertised.
 
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Some post prime rib gluttony brain droppings:

1). One move to help in the era of NIL combined with the portal to assist and protect smaller programs from too much attrition - limit transfer "starters" on all teams nationwide to a max of 2, this goes for Duals, all tourneys, and qualifying for Conferences & Nationals. Buying half a team every year really isn't good for anyone.

2). Bo will go to PSU or Oky State, but won't commit until after he sees the Oky State transformation results at Nationals.

3). Has anyone noticed that nearly every PSU wrestler is using both the bow and arrow and the arm bar far in excess of past years? Zain is probably one influence but there has been a philosophical change to seek back points even more aggressively than the past. The new stalling on top concept might have been a catalyst. I am loving it.

4). O'Toole is impressive in scrambles, but on balance Levi was more tactically sound and the aggressor. Come March, I am confident both Levi himself and this board will view that loss as a positive on his path to winning the championship.

5). Looking back over the development paths of our past true freshman or redshirt freshman greats, who here thinks Luke and Josh in particular are ahead of schedule? I do. This scary team is getting scarier.

6). PSU vs Iowa assuming no injuries. Chances we go:
10-0 = 10%
9-1 = 20%
8-2 = 50%
7-3 = 20%
How entertaining for us would a 10-0 sweep be? Highly unlikely, but the eyeglass smashing possibility is palpable.

7). Mitchell has a realistic shot at a 100% bonus rate all the way through Nationals. At least worthy of discussion. That accomplishment would be more impressive than another team points record IMO. He really has a legit shot, this is going to be fun.

9). Just when it seems this program has hit the peak for what is possible, Cael ups the bar. At least twice maybe three times over the past decade I thought we were seeing 'peak' PSU wrestling, or at least the maximum level of excellence possible in a highly competitive sport. This season is telling me that again, especially with the portal and NIL, but I suspect once again, Cael may prove me wrong.
 
When you see how poorly most charities are run or how much actually gets to those in need, you get why folk dump money into sports. If you dig you can find many that really get the help to those in need but many do the minimum.
Yep. Plenty of sub-par charities overly enriching sleazy administrators. I need 90%+ ratings and over “90 cents-per-dollar-going-to-program” findings from watchdog sites before committing donations. Very comfortable with monthly automated gifts to Fisher House, Tunnel2Towers, and my local FeedAmerica food bank, plus a floating monthly to another 90/90 charity. Again, gotta believe NIL high-rollers step up far more impactfully than I with the best, most cost-efficient charities.
Back on topic, I can easily see Bo going Cowboy and will be less torn than most if he does. My “Blaze high” makes that possible.
 
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Some post prime rib gluttony brain droppings:

1). One move to help in the era of NIL combined with the portal to assist and protect smaller programs from too much attrition - limit transfer "starters" on all teams nationwide to a max of 2, this goes for Duals, all tourneys, and qualifying for Conferences & Nationals. Buying half a team every year really isn't good for anyone.

2). Bo will go to PSU or Oky State, but won't commit until after he sees the Oky State transformation results at Nationals.

3). Has anyone noticed that nearly every PSU wrestler is using both the bow and arrow and the arm bar far in excess of past years? Zain is probably one influence but there has been a philosophical change to seek back points even more aggressively than the past. The new stalling on top concept might have been a catalyst. I am loving it.

4). O'Toole is impressive in scrambles, but on balance Levi was more tactically sound and the aggressor. Come March, I am confident both Levi himself and this board will view that loss as a positive on his path to winning the championship.

5). Looking back over the development paths of our past true freshman or redshirt freshman greats, who here thinks Luke and Josh in particular are ahead of schedule? I do. This scary team is getting scarier.

6). PSU vs Iowa assuming no injuries. Chances we go:
10-0 = 10%
9-1 = 20%
8-2 = 50%
7-3 = 20%
How entertaining for us would a 10-0 sweep be? Highly unlikely, but the eyeglass smashing possibility is palpable.

7). Mitchell has a realistic shot at a 100% bonus rate all the way through Nationals. At least worthy of discussion. That accomplishment would be more impressive than another team points record IMO. He really has a legit shot, this is going to be fun.

9). Just when it seems this program has hit the peak for what is possible, Cael ups the bar. At least twice maybe three times over the past decade I thought we were seeing 'peak' PSU wrestling, or at least the maximum level of excellence possible in a highly competitive sport. This season is telling me that again, especially with the portal and NIL, but I suspect once again, Cael may prove me wrong.
I was thinking the same thing about the bow-arrow. Why aren't more programs using it. I wonder how long until it's deemed to dangerous and will be illegal. The arm across the throat is hard to watch at times.
 
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Who is worried about NCAA violations when it comes to paying athletes or prospective athletes in the current environment?
Pay for play is a violation too, that includes someone with official ties. Those arrangements are practically advertised.
Don’t tell this to: “istherevodkainheaven” 😂😂
 
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Yep. Plenty of sub-par charities overly enriching sleazy administrators. I need 90%+ ratings and over “90 cents-per-dollar-going-to-program” findings from watchdog sites before committing donations. Very comfortable with monthly automated gifts to Fisher House, Tunnel2Towers, and my local FeedAmerica food bank, plus a floating monthly to another 90/90 charity. Again, gotta believe NIL high-rollers step up far more impactfully than I with the best, most cost-efficient charities.
Back on topic, I can easily see Bo going Cowboy and will be less torn than most if he does. My “Blaze high” makes that possible.
Yep. Plenty of sub-par charities overly enriching sleazy administrators. I need 90%+ ratings and over “90 cents-per-dollar-going-to-program” findings from watchdog sites before committing donations. Very comfortable with monthly automated gifts to Fisher House, Tunnel2Towers, and my local FeedAmerica food bank, plus a floating monthly to another 90/90 charity. Again, gotta believe NIL high-rollers step up far more impactfully than I with the best, most cost-efficient charities.
Back on topic, I can easily see Bo going Cowboy and will be less torn than most if he does. My “Blaze high” makes that possible.
Bingo, I remember Rush Limbaugh gave money to a Marine Corps scholarship charity which gave on average over 90% of donations directly to the recipients. I always look local or for that kind of disbursement.
 
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If OKSt is actually paying $17,000 to fly him and his teammates down there it's kind of a dick move if he doesn't choose them.
That is a really strange take.

Also, last season Tan Tom arranged a dual meet for Bishop McCort to be held at Corvelli Center on the anOSU campus. Your same logic could be applied to that event, anOSU, and Tan Tom.
 
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Some post prime rib gluttony brain droppings:

1). One move to help in the era of NIL combined with the portal to assist and protect smaller programs from too much attrition - limit transfer "starters" on all teams nationwide to a max of 2, this goes for Duals, all tourneys, and qualifying for Conferences & Nationals. Buying half a team every year really isn't good for anyone.

2). Bo will go to PSU or Oky State, but won't commit until after he sees the Oky State transformation results at Nationals.

3). Has anyone noticed that nearly every PSU wrestler is using both the bow and arrow and the arm bar far in excess of past years? Zain is probably one influence but there has been a philosophical change to seek back points even more aggressively than the past. The new stalling on top concept might have been a catalyst. I am loving it.

4). O'Toole is impressive in scrambles, but on balance Levi was more tactically sound and the aggressor. Come March, I am confident both Levi himself and this board will view that loss as a positive on his path to winning the championship.

5). Looking back over the development paths of our past true freshman or redshirt freshman greats, who here thinks Luke and Josh in particular are ahead of schedule? I do. This scary team is getting scarier.

6). PSU vs Iowa assuming no injuries. Chances we go:
10-0 = 10%
9-1 = 20%
8-2 = 50%
7-3 = 20%
How entertaining for us would a 10-0 sweep be? Highly unlikely, but the eyeglass smashing possibility is palpable.

7). Mitchell has a realistic shot at a 100% bonus rate all the way through Nationals. At least worthy of discussion. That accomplishment would be more impressive than another team points record IMO. He really has a legit shot, this is going to be fun.

9). Just when it seems this program has hit the peak for what is possible, Cael ups the bar. At least twice maybe three times over the past decade I thought we were seeing 'peak' PSU wrestling, or at least the maximum level of excellence possible in a highly competitive sport. This season is telling me that again, especially with the portal and NIL, but I suspect once again, Cael may prove me wrong.
2- which metrics would he use in his decision making
4- agree
GOODPOINTS.
 
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