Brandon Short says it WAS NIL that cost us our basketball coach.
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Looks like Mr Mauti is NOT alone in his opinions....It's time for Jay to go. Period.
The same people that actually care about the University, not just athletics, and will put him back on the board this year.
It appears they suck at the caring part too because we have slipped dramatically in academics .
I tried to warn people about the SWH NIL initiative that's being run by a cabal of business players in State College that may not have the student-athletes best interests in the forefront and may not be maximizing the NIL opportunities for our student-athletes. That organization was founded by the BOT chair when Paterno was fired. I simply don't trust it to do the right thing for Penn State or PSU student-athletes.
Now Chris Ganter and Mike Mauti started an NIL competitor, I think www.lionslegacyclub.com that is just for football NIL and I do have more but not ultimate faith in that effort. In my view, they don't have the full support of the university the way SWH does because he doesn't have the decades of business relationships with PSU (to the benefit of SWH founders more so than to the university) that SWH does. Also, I look at their site now and it doesn't list Ganter anymore so perhaps he left the effort.
I believe Brandon Short had put his initial support behind Ganter and Mauti but from the sounds of the above video, he wants to support all PSU student-athletes. And there is no PSU basketball equivalent of www.lionslegacyclub.com.
Now Chris Ganter and Mike Mauti started an NIL competitor, I think www.lionslegacyclub.com that is just for football NIL and I do have more but not ultimate faith in that effort. In my view, they don't have the full support of the university the way SWH does because he doesn't have the decades of business relationships with PSU (to the benefit of SWH founders more so than to the university) that SWH does. Also, I look at their site now and it doesn't list Ganter anymore so perhaps he left the effort.
I believe Brandon Short had put his initial support behind Ganter and Mauti but from the sounds of the above video, he wants to support all PSU student-athletes. And there is no PSU basketball equivalent of www.lionslegacyclub.com.
I got the impression that Jay was among the names associated with SWH but the money man was Ira Lubert. Ira has a checkered score card IMO.....having championed Judas as AD, been a player in canning Joe etc., and throwing money at "claimants" with little or no vetting. I acknowledge that he did bring in Cael. I don't think his name front and center would inspire most "old timers" to open their wallets. Don't ask me (if this is true) why Jay would be involved with him. I always had the impression that Ira still runs the BOT.
Interesting video but I take it with a grain of salt. I can't imagine anybody on the BOT trying to undermine sports. Voting no on major infrastructure projects is more likely due to concerns about cost and how to pay for it. That's not a bad thing.
Here's what I haven't seen from Short, Mauti, or anybody. How do we get more NIL money?
Mauti literally helped start an NIL company that I posted above. His problem is that SWH has too much pull with the PSU powers that be and it is an afterthought. SWH seems to want to do NIL totally differently than other P5 schools. This makes me think they are finding a way to put your donations into their founders' own primary businesses. But the effort that Mauti did was through support from letterman. It just doesn't have widespread support. And I'd like to know why Chris Ganter is no longer listed on that collective. Was there a fallout?
I have no opinion but want to share why. We cannot simply give sports a blank check. So there has to be a limit in what investments we are willing to make in sports programs. Football pretty much is self-sustained in terms of funding.
But this points to why it is so hard to build a program. Funding is used to our advantage over schools like Purdue, Indiana and Pitt. Nobody here complains. But when it is used against us by bigger powers like ND, there is an outrage.
It is hard for PSU to fund facilities and programs in basketball when others have for decades. We could spend billions and have it no pay off. And that money would have to come from some other meaningful initiative. Giving a coach unlimited money without the rest of the program makes little sense. Was the last coach good or lucky? He road pickett to a big payday just as Moorehead road Saquon Barkly to a big payday. today, he's head coach of Akron (and his kid camped at PSU as a QB recruit recently).
But this points to why it is so hard to build a program. Funding is used to our advantage over schools like Purdue, Indiana and Pitt. Nobody here complains. But when it is used against us by bigger powers like ND, there is an outrage.
It is hard for PSU to fund facilities and programs in basketball when others have for decades. We could spend billions and have it no pay off. And that money would have to come from some other meaningful initiative. Giving a coach unlimited money without the rest of the program makes little sense. Was the last coach good or lucky? He road pickett to a big payday just as Moorehead road Saquon Barkly to a big payday. today, he's head coach of Akron (and his kid camped at PSU as a QB recruit recently).
I'm sure it's been discussed at length and not a simple answer, but what do most actually attribute the plummeting in academic rankings to over the past 10 years?
I was wondering about that. Does Mauti get paid for his services out of the NIL money?
I don't know enough about how this stuff works. I assume NIL is donor money, not university money. I also assume infrastructure is paid for by the university and donors. If so here's the answer nobody wants to hear. Cut out a few non revenue sports and use the money to fund infrastructure in the sports we want to focus on.
Agreed. I haven't looked into it but fail to understand how the university is involved with NIL. I thought NIL was only for entities outside the university lest college athletes become professionals. Perhaps someone can explain the university's role in NIL
True. I think there will be serious discussions at many universities now regarding how many athletic programs can they really support in the days of NIL. Should that money that gets dumped into programs that lose money be focused elsewhere into programs that actually make money in order to keep them competitive and as financially successful as possible?
(As a side note- when did Brandon Short decide to support and actively promote the ‘Penn State Forward’ group?)
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He could. Most collective models keep operating costs at less than 10% of revenue. Paying the officers is part of the operating costs but there are other costs as well. For their collective, I cannot imagine Mauti drawing much of a salary if at all. They don't have much revenue and Mauti has been involved I believe in a number of charitable organizations where he isn't directly benefitting. So I doubt that he's in this for the any large sums of money. I think they legitimately want to help PSU football and those student-athletes.
Maybe true, but it sounds like he's upset that HIS NIL operation isn't getting more support as competing NIL organizations.
I'm not trying to be a Jay defender. I just struggle to think that Jay, Lubrano, or anybody else is simply trying to undermine the athletic department. It can't be that simple.
Agreed. It is likely very complex and once the issues are known....you have to factor in personality conflicts.
That is part of it but another part is a competition of ideas for how to use the NIL money. I think Mauti is focused solely on how do we use this to maximize the benefit to PSU football and PSU football athletes. I think SWH is focused on a totally different model that I don't really see helping PSU sports or student-athletes as much as it could and potentially it is helping the personal businesses of SWH's founders.
I know it is not popular to say but NIL and things of that ilk are lessening my interest in college athletics.
We get it that you are team Mauti in every way, including posturing that he is not financially profiting. He made $2.7 million in the NFL, which cannot last forever, and his LinkedIn suggests that he can't really manage to hold a steady job, so maybe his outrage is coming from a different place? And either way his group apparently only ever intended to help football players, so why is he pissy about the basketball situation, and specifically a group that was clearly attempting to spread the wealth around everywhere (for better or worse)?
I am not team Mauti. I simply trust their collective more than I do SWH that was founded by the BOT chair when Paterno was fired and PSU's good name and all of our alumni were drug through the mud (plus 5 other State College business owners that profit off of the university). I can't answer your questions about what Mauti thinks about X, Y, and Z, because I am not him.
Charities are only required to spend 10% on the actual charity. 90% can go to overhead.
That's fine. The standard if you do any research on these collectives is 10% to overhead. They almost all try to stay under 10% overhead and advertise this number.
you say SWH wants to do NIL differently from every other school. How does SWH want to do it?
I don't think that's their intent but I don't believe they care about the success of the CURRENT athletic department. They're only focused on the past.
That makes no sense to me. Why would they be indifferent to the success of current sports programs?
They might differ on how to adjust to the NIL era. They might be concerned about finances. But suggesting they simply don't care about the current athletic department doesn't make sense.
If a student wants to sell his Name, his Likeness and/or his Image, go for it. But if the university is going to be the middleman, then schools need to sign these guys to non compete clauses.
As it stands, every time a coaching change happens, the affected program is at risk of implosion. That's not healthy for anybody.
IOW, if you take NIL money that flows through the university, the transfer portal is off limits.
As it stands, every time a coaching change happens, the affected program is at risk of implosion. That's not healthy for anybody.
IOW, if you take NIL money that flows through the university, the transfer portal is off limits.
Why wouldn't they? Have they ever done anything to indicate that they care about the success of our athletic programs since they moved into the role or have the simply focused on the past? What was the main topic both ran on?
I don't understand how you would think it doesn't make sense. Don't you think Short and Mauti see that like I do and many others?
NIL. I dont get why it flows through the university in the first place. Seems to me that this will eventually lead to minor leagues for basketball and football. If you are someone who invests money into these NIL schemes i don't see how you get anything back other than maybe a tax write off (and it is questionable how this could be considered non profit). If i was a person who was interested in putting money into sports at that level i would rather own a minor league team and not deal with a university at all
The value of college basketball and football is derived from alumni/fan support of their favorite schools. A minor-league system outside of the college structure would generate very little revenue.
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