Mike's brother-in-law who said he didn't call the cops that Saturday morning because Mike was gonna see Joe about it. Worked out well, eh?
Breaking from Pennlive Curley and Shultz plead guilty.
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He'd have to pull your head out first to make room.
Here's the deal - Curley and Schultz took an open plea to M1 EWOC with no formal agreement to sentence, likely with an "informal" agreement that if they cooperate and testify, that the AG will either (1) make no sentencing recommendation (2) not oppose requests for probation or (3) not oppose requests to serve any jail time on house arrest. This happens all the time. For one reason or another, prosecutor cannot or will not agree to a set sentence, leaves it on the judge to make the decision, but gives tacit approval to a particular result.
This allows the Commonwealth to call them to testify and to save face by saying there's no sentencing agreement. Of course, a good attorney is going to cross them on their expectations regarding leniency, not testifying b/c they're good samaritans, etc.
With no prior record, they will probably receive county jail sentences (minimum less than 12 mos) to be served entirely on house arrest, or partially in jail and the remainder on house arrest (i.e. 9 months jail, first 90 days in jail, balance on house arrest).
This allows the Commonwealth to call them to testify and to save face by saying there's no sentencing agreement. Of course, a good attorney is going to cross them on their expectations regarding leniency, not testifying b/c they're good samaritans, etc.
With no prior record, they will probably receive county jail sentences (minimum less than 12 mos) to be served entirely on house arrest, or partially in jail and the remainder on house arrest (i.e. 9 months jail, first 90 days in jail, balance on house arrest).
I don't understand this reasoning. You sound like my sig other telling me what the original ticket price was on a $9.99 dress she bought. "But it WAS $695.00!" So if they'd been charged with 555 baseless felonies this would be an even better outcome for C&S?
Sandusky in prison, two guilty pleas. It isn't a victory lap, but it is removing a scarlet letter.
They are at the end of the Freeh Report. You have not read it yet?
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/396512-report-final-071212.html pp. 169-77
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It's tough to spin if one believes they are "100% completely not guilty, your honor" (to quote OJ).
Fair post. I do agree - you have been civil over the years, I appreciate that.
That meeting was 5 months after Richard Houston and Harrisburg told Lauro to shut it the fu(k down. Gricar didn't give one flying sh!t about Penn State. He might have been threatened and scared, but not by C/S/ or S.
Well, if there was nothing there that relates to Sandusky, we can find out.
As of today, that changed; what is your point?
Are you saying that the prosecution intentionally bought multiple baseless felony charges against C/S?
If PA courts actually followed the law and made rulings that made sense I would be inclined to think that way and I'd like to think that I wouldn't plead out if I knew I wasn't guilty. But I've seen how things work and I really can't fault them for taking the deal even if they believe they are innocent.
How did the prosecution spin having to drop or reduce all those felony charges? This is a much greater victory for C/S than for the prosecution. Not a total victory, but close to it.
You were wrong michnitt, you can admit it now.
There's pretty much documented proof that Harrisburg had Lauro shut this thing down in 1998. There's absolutely NO proof that C/S/or Spanier had ANY influence on Gricar.
You said ALL the 1998 e-mails. Not just the ones in the Freeh Report. Link please to ALL e-mails.
See this is where you are showing what a dim bulb you are. You've relied solely on what Freeh wrote in his report.
Freeh's job was not to exonerate C/S/S or Joe, it was to assign blame to them. If he found e-mails exculpatory or potentially exculpatory to C/S/S or Joe he was not required to include them in his report. If you believe differently, show me where he was required to do so.
You may still be young, so maybe there is hope for you.
Why am I a yo-yo for not knowing a poster's age? Is there some database on this board that shows posters ages and where is it?
Reading his posts he seemed kind of immature.
That is simple; they want Spanier. The OAG just got two new witnesses. Spanier is still facing half the original charges, including the conspiracy charge.
I've never claimed to be one. I really don't know why you would raise it.
those are all the e-mails that I'm familiar with that deal with 1998. There are some others that demonstrate Sandusky's retirement was not due the Victim 6 incident. That actually tended to exonerate Paterno, Schultz, Spanier and Curley, in regard to Sandusky's retirement.
Five years ago, Spanier was not charged.
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You need to improve your reading skills. You didn't address my question AT ALL. Please re-read.
I know a lot of people are upset but today was huge. 5.5 years ago, PSU admin. were faced with 4 felony counts. Today was the end -> 1 Misdemeanor. No cover up and no perjury. In all honesty, I'm surprised the country is not an in uproar. They wanted c/s/s hung from a tree or rot in jail with Sandusky. What we should be telling everyone is fu** you. Nothing was ever covered up and there were no lies. Today, we should celebrate, not be upset.
OK, now let's talk about those Reds.
We'll see how the young pitchers are. I'm not optimistic.
I just moved out to Denver, so I'll be seeing a lot less of the Reds this year, unfortunately. Gotta jump on the Rockies train now!
Curley and Schultz have been drawing generous payments from the State (Curley his salary and Schultz his pension). They'd be gone when they pleaded guilty. Plus it wasn't costing them anything to defend the cases.
But there's no plea deal. Don't understand--if they went to trial, the worst that could have happened is that they would have been found guilty--which is exactly how they pled--makes no sense--they gained nothing.
you are completely delusional. when tim and gary take the stand against spanier and bascially admit to everything the state has accused them of for the last 5 years and spanier is found guilty of felony 3 charges I don't think you will consider it a victory to celebrate.
How in the freakin World does this "remove a scarlet letter"????? It just perpetuates it into Eternity. What Planet do you live on.
Go to the Pitt Board and tell them our "scarlet letter" is removed. Let me know what their reponse is.
Yes, I did. You asked how they would justify dropping a number of charges against Tim and gary. The answer is to use them as witnesses to go after Graham.
Curley's contract was not renewed at the end of either 2012 or 2013. I don't know if he took retirement.
Removing. It is a start. The more people with a PSU association say, this was wrong, our leadership was doing the wrong things, the more it makes PSU look better. We can certainly highlight our successes, including athletic successes, as well.
I will be reaching the end of my quota of posts.
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WE are Penn State. WE don't have any Scarlet Letter.
Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, Mike McQueary, Graham Spanier, and the old guard BoT, are NOT Penn State.
WE are.
The general public isn't paying close enough attention to the specifics and probably doesn't even know that this plea is only a misdemeanor. The public probably doesn't care either. In the court of public opinion, Curley and Schultz just admitted they covered up the abuse.
This is the mystery. The original article said that their sentence could be as high as $10,000 plus up to 5 years of jail time. The $10,000 is nothing and I'm sure C&S wanted to avoid any risk of jail time.
If I was in their shoes I would definitely take the plea even if I didn't think I was guilty. Why take the risk of a jury decision? But the original Penn Live article acted as though jail time could still be on the table. It would suck if they got 5 years in jail anyway. It's a mystery.
I have a problem with anyone getting convicted of anything Sandusky related when the real culprits in this whole mess(Centre County CYS, Clinton County CYS, DPW, and TSM) have walked away free of any scrutiny. Those are the real culprits in this mess, not some college admins who had no responsibility for TSM kids and found out about the 2001 incident 3 days after it occurred. C & S will not do any hard time, probably house arrest and probation with the conviction expunged from their record after serving out the sentence.
