Have you eaten yet irony? What did you have to drink? Did you drop it out yet? What size and color was it? Is you wife still the most vulgar woman in NE Pa? Have you and your kid beaten anyone up lately?
Breaking from Pennlive Curley and Shultz plead guilty.
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Have you eaten yet irony? What did you have to drink? Did you drop it out yet? What size and color was it? Is you wife still the most vulgar woman in NE Pa? Have you and your kid beaten anyone up lately?
Any "deal" that was made in 1998 had nothing to do with PSU admins and everything to do with the local DA. Once UPPD looped in CC CYS who then looped in DPW the case was out of PSU's hands as far as determining whether any abuse took place.
If you're suggesting that PSU influenced the local DA and CYS that's more of an indictment on those agencies than anyone else. Also if someone at PSU did somehow influence the DA/CYS how do we know it wasn't some powerful politically connected friend of JS on the PSU BOT as opposed to the admins?
This all goes back to freeh and how/why he was conveniently never able to figure out exactly who overrode Joe's objections to allowing JS to bring TSM kids into lasch as part of his retirement agreement.
I would expect them to offer more than just a guilty plea. Especially in conspiracy cases, it's quite common for those charged with being involved in the conspiracy to flip on others charged with the same offense, and testify against them.
We'll find out soon enough.
Let me guess, you also think it was strange there was no child porn on his computers too? Did that guy even know how to use the internet? That's the FIRST question you should be asking.
I'm interested in the screen name because I think it's important for the board to know what kind of fool it is dealing with. In your case you're a TOTAL FOOL.
You spread all sorts of lies and BS that your "friend" the investigator supposedly told you. As each of those lies were discovered by TOS your credibility reached zero.
The big deal you made out of all this, even going to other team's board spreading the lies like the coward that you are.
All this false information you spread and look where we are 5+ years and millions of dollars later. Two misdemeanor pleas is all you have to show and you're bragging about that? Please.
You're a small man irondoc, elvis, whoever you are. Now crawl back under your rock.
I agree with this in theory. It works if there is some actual evidence of a crime.
The plea deal worked because both sides win. Curley and Schultz avoid having their fate decided by a tainted jury, and the OAG saves face and can say one of their charges stuck. It's all bs.
I would say the biggest win for Curley and Schultz is pleading guilty to a misdemeanor and keeping their pensions. I'd say that's probably hands down among their biggest motivations here.
I would simply say this to the conspiracy angle. Even if the PSU admins screwed up, it has always seemed to me many others did as well and were not only never charged but never investigated. [Dr D JR Heim etc CYS DPW [circa 98]
I do admit that perhaps Jerry did not know how to use the internet is a legitimate response to Ziegler's argument. But whatever the case, I feel there is much more evidence for Jerry Sandusky's innocence than Hurricane Carter's innocence. But people can still love the Bob Dylan song and the Denzel Washington movie without being called triple murder apologists. And don't even get me started on Mumia Abu Jamal.
Thanks for the insight DD. I especially want to hear about number 6. However if Harmon was informed why doesn't the "count" as calling the police?
Either way, it's a h*ll of a lot less than PSU paid. Though they will likely lose their pensions too.
not so sure...at least for a misdemeanor. I felony? likely, but don't know about a misdemeanor.
I am a victim of sexual abuse. I know it's hard to face reality for everyone involved who has even the tiniest bit of stake in the game. I hope justice is served, no matter what. That's all. I'm supposed to be nobody.
Anyone can say or believe what they want, it simply doesn't matter. This is the worst case scenario and we all know it. They plead guilty. It's done, and Spanier is on his own now. It kills Penn State, and that's what really matters. I won't go into other areas as that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter why, or the end results. They just hung Penn State, and the rest of us have to pick up the pieces. It is what it is. No one gives a damn what they plead to, or if they do jail time. It is now up to Spanier. If these two testify against Spanier, it's really done. If that occurs, the writing is on the wall. Truth be damned, they hurt Penn State, and there's no walking that back. Reality is painful, but that's not what's important here. If more comes out, that's beyond sad and disgraceful. Looks at this point that Joe was the only one that did the right damn thing. There are no excuses. NONE.
Ok, I just don't get this part. "help with the problem" always made since with boundary issues, makes no sense with Ped. issues. Even back in 98 ped was considered very very difficult to "control" what help did they expect to give him.
Especially as they could still be civilly liable.
I don't believe it's such a big blanket that a pension is forfeited only on a felony vs. misdemeanor. But child endangerment does not appear on Act 140 if I looked at the right statute.
Why aren't all the social justice warriors who defend black death row inmates in the South (who have almost all been convicted of brutal and heinous murders) subject to the same amount of vitriol that John Ziegler is?
I'm as smart as I was created to be. I used the words I thought were necessary. It looks like two men plead guilty to endangering children. At least they now are part of the progress toward healing, in my opinion. Good day.
Agree...plus, it may have been part of the "agreement". I am sure PSU wants this to go away...I am also willing to bet a lot of non-disclousure with teeth.
This doesn't "kill" Penn State. Penn State is fine and has been for the last 5 years. Our future remains bright.
This likely DOES, however, kill the "Penn State leadership did nothing at all wrong in 2001, nope, nothing whatsoever!" crowd.
I think it's ironic that all the trolls that wanted to wait for things to "play out" have suddenly declared victory.
Really? A negotiated misdemeanor charge of endangering is bad for Penn State backers? I don't buy that.
PSU is a thing, not a person, and incapable of doing something wrong. I can't believe I have to explain that.
I don't think Mumia is innocent.
Hurricane Carter was proven innocent.
Jerry Sandusky isn't innocent. And the only reason you guys think he is is due to the fact that you want to see Joe exonerated.
You may be right--technically. But I betcha they go after it anyway. The prosecution and courts have not done much in this case "by the book".
Others did and should the case go to trial we will likely hear from them.
The Church frequently sent priests to psychs that work with offenders. Most don't believe pedophilia can be cured but a minority do. sending them to psychs instead of prison was considered the "humane" thing to do and also protected the Church from embarrassment.
My point being, Penn State is far bigger than 3 men. 2 of those men at this point hurt Penn State forever. That cannot go away, ever. When I said kills Penn State, it's a metaphor, but there is reality to it. This all starts again. Maybe not as bad, but we have 2 administrators at the very top admit guilt. There is no walking away from that. We all live with that now. I now ask why? Why the hell did you not just do what was the right thing to do? For what? If you did, then why the hell didn't you fight? You owe Penn State that much.
The truth? I don't give a rat's ass. Penn State is bigger than 2 men. They owed Penn State a fight.
The state of Pennsylvania hurt Penn State forever. The old-guard trustees hurt Penn State forever.
I wanted a trial as well. But it is fair to say we don't have their perspective or risk.
To be perfectly clear: I'm inclined to agree with you.
But playing devil's advocate: After paying for Freeh's opinion & presuming their full guilt for the last 5+ years, what does Penn State owe them?
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