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What is your evidence that they lied and censored?

Leaping towards 1930s Germany is a weird pathway to go down. What peer reviewed German scientists do you have an issue with?
Are you serious? There is reams of evidence that people like Fauci lied and FaceBook, YouTube, etc. censored. In fact, ask them - they admitted it.

As for 1930s Germany, they had the best scientists. But they were an evil lot. I am drawing parallel to today’s “peer reviewed” scientists/medical community. Many (too many) were crooked to the core.
 
Lol. Please provide some peer-reviewed studies that relate to the DOJ and their non-partisanship.
Peer reviewed studies generally referred to scientific articles. While there are perhaps legal journals that address this, that is not my field of expertise. I just personally known six or seven DOJ attorneys/supervisors and at least 4 of them are Republicans. If you have access to legal journals and want to share the articles confirming this bias, be my guest.

But YOU are the one making the assertion of bias, so the onus is on you to prove it.

Regardless, this is WAAAAY off topic. I'm here to talk science not politics or criminal law.
 
Are you serious? There is reams of evidence that people like Fauci lied and FaceBook, YouTube, etc. censored. In fact, ask them - they admitted it.

As for 1930s Germany, they had the best scientists. But they were an evil lot. I am drawing parallel to today’s “peer reviewed” scientists/medical community. Many (too many) were crooked to the core.
Define censored. Is it censorship to disallow yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater?

Einstein was evil? News to me...
 
1) I brought it up in the context of Fauci. You took it elsewhere.
I merely stated that I would be shocked with Fauci was charged, much less indicted (because if you understand the context of the emails vs his testimony, he clearly didn't lie to Congress). That is all.
2) Either you are horrible at your job or you are lying.
My CV would suggest that you are wrong on both points.
 
Then, by using the pre-Woke definition, you would agree that the COVID shots are not vaccines, correct?
Incorrect. But definitions are just semantics. The vaccine works as it is designed to (recall mRNA vaccines are new and not like other vaccines) by reducing the instances of severe illness. And they are safe.
BTW, the jabs fit much more into the category of bioweapons than vaccines. And we've got the DARPA receipts (to UNC Chapel Hill) to prove it.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. In what way is it a bioweapon? Please explain your understand of how the mRNA vaccines works. And please provide these DARPA receipts you speak of. OMFG. Too funny.
 
I merely stated that I would be shocked with Fauci was charged, much less indicted (because if you understand the context of the emails vs his testimony, he clearly didn't lie to Congress). That is all.

My CV would suggest that you are wrong on both points.
1) Fauci did lie to Congress, that is why a criminal referral was sent to the DOJ. There is tons of evidence in the public sphere if you have a shred of intellectual honesty.

2) Post it then.
 
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1) Fauci did lie to Congress, that is why a criminal referral was sent to the DOJ. There is tons of evidence in the public sphere if you have a shred of intellectual honesty.
No, the criminal referral was sent because Rand Paul
a) has a political agenda; and
b) doesn't understand the testimony

2) Post it then.
Sigh. I went through this on another thread (IndyNittany was actually in my corner for that one) about a year ago where my "opponent" insisted that I could not possibly be a PhD nor a scientist. I posted both by CV and my transcripts (as well as a copy of the award he claimed I could not have possibly received). I'm not doing all that again. If you care that much, you can go search for it on this forum.
 
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No, the criminal referral was sent because Rand Paul
a) has a political agenda; and
b) doesn't understand the testimony


Sigh. I went through this on another thread (IndyNittany was actually in my corner for that one) about a year ago where my "opponent" insisted that I could not possibly be a PhD nor a scientist. I posted both by CV and my transcripts (as well as a copy of the award he claimed I could not have possibly received). I'm not doing all that again. If you care that much, you can go search for it on this forum.
Prove it on both counts. No one believes you.
 
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Prove it on both counts. No one believes you.
I don't care.

(Note: I mentioned above that when someone is losing an argument they try to change the topic and then the next step is personal insults -- thanks for proving me correct)
 
I don't care.

(Note: I mentioned above that when someone is losing an argument they try to change the topic and then the next step is personal insults -- thanks for proving me correct)
I did neither. I merely asked you to prove what you claimed.
 
I did neither. I merely asked you to prove what you claimed.
The person claiming that there is malfeasance is the one required to demonstrate malfeasance. So that's on you. I don't see conspiracies everywhere. Conspiracies are INCREDIBLY rare.
 
The person claiming that there is malfeasance is the one required to demonstrate malfeasance. So that's on you. I don't see conspiracies everywhere. Conspiracies are INCREDIBLY rare.
You claimed the malfeasance of Rand Paul having a political agenda and not understanding testimony. Keep in mind that he has a medical degree from Duke and is a medical doctor by profession and training. So by your own words, you must prove the malfeasance you claimed against him.

The other item that I asked you to prove was your claims about yourself to which you have now refused multiple times.
 
I was definitely not ultra cautious about covid (I am fully vaxxed, but probably wore masks less than most people, and I was one of the first people back in my office when we voluntarily transitioned from fully remote to hybrid. I also never really used hand sanitizer because it was pretty clear early on that "surface contact spread" really wasn't a thing).

By the way, the "new flu" killed about 3 million people worldwide, so some semblance of caution (like getting vaxxed) seems like it was probably a good idea.

I was definitely not ultra cautious about covid (I am fully vaxxed, but probably wore masks less than most people, and I was one of the first people back in my office when we voluntarily transitioned from fully remote to hybrid. I also never really used hand sanitizer because it was pretty clear early on that "surface contact spread" really wasn't a thing).

By the way, the "new flu" killed about 3 million people worldwide, so some semblance of caution (like getting vaxxed) seems like it was probably a good idea.

You’re not a scientist. You’re a brainwashed liberal. People in my town died of other causes but wrote up as Covid because they would get a bunch of government money. One guy died from a motorcycle accident and his death was ruled by Covid. Just realize not everything you hear, read, or say is 100% true, then maybe I’ll believe some of what you say. But all you do is argue with everyone who doesn’t believe everything you post. Typical liberal.
 
You’re not a scientist. You’re a brainwashed liberal. People in my town died of other causes but wrote up as Covid because they would get a bunch of government money. One guy died from a motorcycle accident and his death was ruled by Covid. Just realize not everything you hear, read, or say is 100% true, then maybe I’ll believe some of what you say. But all you do is argue with everyone who doesn’t believe everything you post. Typical liberal.
He may be getting paid to argue the administration's talking points on this topic. I find it hard to explain how he otherwise is making dozens of posts on the topic every day throughout the work week. I'm retired. I have the ability to spend time posting.
 
Are you asking me why doesn't it work, or are you asking why do I say it doesn't work? The latter is easy (read the paper I provided above); that's what the best available data tells us.

If you are asking why doesn't it work (some have hypothesized that it does), that's trickier (and probably impossible) to answer.
Well, since I said, "why do you say," that is what I was asking. I could be wrong, but to my knowledge there has never been a study of ivermectin that wasn't designed to fail. Ivermectin is believed to prevent/slow viral replication. The study that was done early in the pandemic was conducted exclusively on hospitalized patients, in which the virus had already substantially replicated. It was designed to fail, because if it worked, it would prevent an EUA from being implemented for a non-approved pharmaceutical.
If we look at the Uttar Pradesh example in India, they dispersed ivermectin to every person b/c it is cheap and at the first sign of any symptom or known contact, they took the medication. The results were staggeringly positive. IDK if it works, but I don't think anyone can scientifically say it does not.
Is there a link to the actual report? This website shows some graphs but it isn't clear if these are graphs that ONS actually made or if "some internet guy" pulled the stats and made his own graphs (I suspect the latter but am willing to read more).
Respectfully UNC, here and in so many of your posts you suffer from the Appeal to Authority fallacy. Just because someone has a credential, doesn't mean they are accurate or even trustworthy. So much of what the govt told us was essential was proven false. Much of what "Some internet guy" with an ability to reason, was slandered over during the pandemic, turned out to be true...because it was the most logical and obvious.
WRT to the above, the CDC released data that showed negative efficacy of the vaccine 2 months after being administered. I'll point you to the work of UK Cardiologis,t Dr Aseem Malhotra. After gaining notoriety blowing the lid on the overuse and side effects of statins, he has been vocal on the heart issues caused by the CV-19 virus and vaccine.
If you're really willing to read/listen here is a substantive conversation on the topic with Dr Malhotra
 
You claimed the malfeasance of Rand Paul having a political agenda and not understanding testimony. Keep in mind that he has a medical degree from Duke and is a medical doctor by profession and training. So by your own words, you must prove the malfeasance you claimed against him.
No, you claimed the DOJ was corrupt. Prove it.
The other item that I asked you to prove was your claims about yourself to which you have now refused multiple times.
Already proven in another thread. Go look it up if you care. I'm not going down this path again because even after I show you the documents, you will tell me they are faked (which is what happened last time) even though they are very clearly not faked.
 
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You’re not a scientist. You’re a brainwashed liberal. People in my town died of other causes but wrote up as Covid because they would get a bunch of government money. One guy died from a motorcycle accident and his death was ruled by Covid. Just realize not everything you hear, read, or say is 100% true, then maybe I’ll believe some of what you say. But all you do is argue with everyone who doesn’t believe everything you post. Typical liberal.
I'm actually not a liberal and I am definitely a scientist.

How do you have access to people's death certificates to know this? My strong suspicion is that it was coded as "with covid" not "from covid" but impossible to know. How those data are used depends on the question being asked (e.g. "how many people have covid" vs "how many people are dying from covid" vs "how many people have covid and it is complicating other medical problems") This isn't nefarious, this is just capturing as much data as possible.

I am well aware that everything I hear and read is not 100% true. I'm not sure that you are though.

I'm literally only arguing the science. When people get something scientifically wrong, I am correcting them. If you want to have different policy views (e.g. regarding mandates, lockdowns, masks, etc) that's fine. I'm not debating policy or politics. Only correcting people when they get the science wrong. And I'm correcting them using the peer reviewed literature. Not my own personal ideas, not a youtube video, not a substack article.
 
No, you claimed the DOJ was corrupt. Prove it.

Already proven in another thread. Go look it up if you care. I'm not going down this path again because even after I show you the documents, you will tell me they are faked (which is what happened last time) even though they are very clearly not faked.
I said that the DOJ would not press charges against Fauci while Democrats were in the white house. That is so far proven true.

Provide a link to said thread and I will look it up. These were your claims. Either back them up or most will believe they are not true.
 
Well, since I said, "why do you say," that is what I was asking. I could be wrong, but to my knowledge there has never been a study of ivermectin that wasn't designed to fail. Ivermectin is believed to prevent/slow viral replication. The study that was done early in the pandemic was conducted exclusively on hospitalized patients, in which the virus had already substantially replicated. It was designed to fail, because if it worked, it would prevent an EUA from being implemented for a non-approved pharmaceutical.
Did you read the paper I shared? It's from 2022. It's not early on. And it is clear from the way it is written that the authors were hoping to find that ivermectin worked. So it wasn't "designed to fail."
If we look at the Uttar Pradesh example in India, they dispersed ivermectin to every person b/c it is cheap and at the first sign of any symptom or known contact, they took the medication. The results were staggeringly positive. IDK if it works, but I don't think anyone can scientifically say it does not.
Couple of things here:
Do you have a link to the peer reviewed paper of this study? Without that I cannot examine the methodology, results and conclusions. I'd be happy to read it if you provide a copy.

Second "but I don't think anyone can say scientifically that it does not" -- that's not how hypothesis testing works. Your null hypothesis is that it does not work and the data either disproves or does not disprove the null hypothesis. In other words, the starting point is that you have to assume it does not work. this does not change unless you have data that it does. The study I posted is one of the more recent and more rigorous ones. If you have a more recent one with a larger n value, I'd be happy to read it.
Respectfully UNC, here and in so many of your posts you suffer from the Appeal to Authority fallacy. Just because someone has a credential, doesn't mean they are accurate or even trustworthy.
That's very true. That's why I rely on the peer reviewed literature, not just on some talking head saying so. Note that I have never posted a video or transcript of Fauci or Gupta or any other person in the media. I'm going directly to the science because then you can see *exactly* how the study was conducted, what the strengths and weaknesses of the study was and whether the conclusions of the study match the results. Some studies are better than others so you have to actually read and critically examine them.
So much of what the govt told us was essential was proven false. Much of what "Some internet guy" with an ability to reason, was slandered over during the pandemic, turned out to be true...because it was the most logical and obvious.
Please give examples of what *scientific* things the government said that were false. Not policy things but science things. And keep in mind because this was a novel virus our understanding of transmission and treatment evolved very quickly (that's what science does). For example, early on there was emphasis on surface transmission (I was frankly quite skeptical of this all along) but it was later learned this was a very, very minor risk in terms of spread.

Similarly, please give an example of "some internet guy" getting a piece of scientific information correct when the literature was getting it wrong.
WRT to the above, the CDC released data that showed negative efficacy of the vaccine 2 months after being administered. I'll point you to the work of UK Cardiologis,t Dr Aseem Malhotra. After gaining notoriety blowing the lid on the overuse and side effects of statins, he has been vocal on the heart issues caused by the CV-19 virus and vaccine.
Please provide a peer reviewed citation for this assertion. I'd be happy to read it.
If you're really willing to read/listen here is a substantive conversation on the topic with Dr Malhotra
See comments above about the important of reading the literature instead of listening to people on video.
 
I said that the DOJ would not press charges against Fauci while Democrats were in the white house. That is so far proven true.
So you are not implying that DOJ is corrupt, you are merely pointing out that Fauci is unlikely to be charged (with, IMHO, is because he didn't lie and it is clear he didn't lie)
Provide a link to said thread and I will look it up. These were your claims. Either back them up or most will believe they are not true.
I don't care. You find it if you care. You should be able to pull up all my old posts. It was on a Sandusky thread, if that helps you. (edit: or you can ask Indy. He knows I am a scientist based on that earlier thread).
 
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So you are not implying that DOJ is corrupt, you are merely pointing out that Fauci is unlikely to be charged (with, IMHO, is because he didn't lie and it is clear he didn't lie)

I don't care. You find it if you care. You should be able to pull up all my old posts. It was on a Sandusky thread, if that helps you. (edit: or you can ask Indy. He knows I am a scientist based on that earlier thread).
Oh I definitely think the DOJ is corrupt. That just wasn't my claim that I had stated. I began to give reasons that support that when you challenged it, but you accused me of changing the topic. So let's be clear, do you want to discuss the DOJ's corruption or not? If so, today is an excellent day to have that discussion.
 
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Oh I definitely think the DOJ is corrupt. That just wasn't my claim that I had stated. I began to give reasons that support that when you challenged it, but you accused me of changing the topic. So let's be clear, do you want to discuss the DOJ's corruption or not? If so, today is an excellent day to have that discussion.
I do not. I'm only here to correct scientific inaccuracies. I do not pretend to be a lawyer or know much about DOJ except what I know from my friends who work there.
 
I do not. I'm only here to correct scientific inaccuracies. I do not pretend to be a lawyer or know much about DOJ except what I know from my friends who work there.
So seriously, are you being paid to be on these forums pushing the government talking points? That is the only way that your being here constantly throughout the work days posting makes any sense.
 
So seriously, are you being paid to be on these forums pushing the government talking points? That is the only way that your being here constantly throughout the work days posting makes any sense.
LOL. I wish I could make money just by correcting you. I've already explained why I'm on here occasionally during the day. You'll also notice I sometimes goes days (or weeks) without posting. Sometimes I'm more busy than other times.
 
Peer reviewed studies generally referred to scientific articles. While there are perhaps legal journals that address this, that is not my field of expertise. I just personally known six or seven DOJ attorneys/supervisors and at least 4 of them are Republicans. If you have access to legal journals and want to share the articles confirming this bias, be my guest.

But YOU are the one making the assertion of bias, so the onus is on you to prove it.

Regardless, this is WAAAAY off topic. I'm here to talk science not politics or criminal law.
Wow....no self-awareness, no sense of humor, inflated self-opinion, some kind of need to answer immediately to show how smart you are.

You couldn't even admit that you made a silly claim that was not directly related. Knowing 4 out of 7 DOJ people who are Republican --- prove positive of your claims, it seems?

Carry on.
 
Wow....no self-awareness, no sense of humor, inflated self-opinion, some kind of need to answer immediately to show how smart you are.

You couldn't even admit that you made a silly claim that was not directly related. Knowing 4 out of 7 DOJ people who are Republican --- prove positive of your claims, it seems?

Carry on.
I admit I got sucked into responding to a topic I am not here to discuss. Merely out of frustration with certain posters trying to make everything into a conspiracy theory.
 
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LOL. I wish I could make money just by correcting you. I've already explained why I'm on here occasionally during the day. You'll also notice I sometimes goes days (or weeks) without posting. Sometimes I'm more busy than other times.
You haven't corrected me. You have talked in circles and refused to provide evidence to your claims.
 
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You haven't corrected me. You have talked in circles and refused to provide evidence to your claims.
I've provided peer reviewed citations that refute any claims about a lack of vaccine safety or efficacy. If you don't consider that "correcting" I don't know what to tell you.
 
Define censored. Is it censorship to disallow yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater?

Einstein was evil? News to me...
Just as I suspected, you are not serious.

Is water wet? Or do I need a peer reviewed paper to prove it?
 
I've provided peer reviewed citations that refute any claims about a lack of vaccine safety or efficacy. If you don't consider that "correcting" I don't know what to tell you.
The same “peers” that claimed they were not involved in GOF with the Chinese Communists?
 
Was posted on the test board but this is some really alarming data taken after covid shots were widely available.
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2805184
 
Define censored. Is it censorship to disallow yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater?

Einstein was evil? News to me...

Not sure where you're going with this, but yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is allowed. In fact, it's encouraged whenever a reasonable threat is expected, even if there is, wait for it, no actual fire. Do you not grasp the irony of censoring peer reviewed articles?
 
No, the criminal referral was sent because Rand Paul
a) has a political agenda; and
b) doesn't understand the testimony


Sigh. I went through this on another thread (IndyNittany was actually in my corner for that one) about a year ago where my "opponent" insisted that I could not possibly be a PhD nor a scientist. I posted both by CV and my transcripts (as well as a copy of the award he claimed I could not have possibly received). I'm not doing all that again. If you care that much, you can go search for it on this forum.

Rand Paul, a doctor, doesn't understand what another doctor is saying? Fascinating.
 
Rand Paul, a doctor, doesn't understand what another doctor is saying? Fascinating.
Rand Paul was an opthalmologist and hasn't practiced in 13 years. So it's not out of the realm of possibility that he doesn't understand everything about virology and gain of function research.
 
Not sure where you're going with this, but yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is allowed. In fact, it's encouraged whenever a reasonable threat is expected, even if there is, wait for it, no actual fire. Do you not grasp the irony of censoring peer reviewed articles?
What peer reviewed articles have been censored?

If yelling fire in a crowded theater (when there is no fire) results in injury or death, charges can be filed ( e.g. disorderly conduct, inciting a riot). So if the disinformation that some anti-vaxxers are spewing results in harm (i.e. someone dying because they didn't get vaccinated), then yes that should be censored (or at least punished if it results in harm).
 
Just as I suspected, you are not serious.

Is water wet? Or do I need a peer reviewed paper to prove it?
How am I not serious?

There are lots of papers published about the physics of water. I don't understand your point.
 
Rand Paul was an opthalmologist and hasn't practiced in 13 years. So it's not out of the realm of possibility that he doesn't understand everything about virology and gain of function research.
So you have moved from he doesn't understand to it's not out of the realm of possibility? You made a claim and now it appears that you are admitting that there is a low probability of your claim. You are just dishonest. How about you admit that you lied.
 
So you have moved from he doesn't understand to it's not out of the realm of possibility? You made a claim and now it appears that you are admitting that there is a low probability of your claim. You are just dishonest. How about you admit that you lied.
So it's clear from his referral to the DOJ that he doesn't understand. The implication that he is a doctor and therefore must understand is wrong. So I pointed out that a "retired" opthamologist might not understand virology research (because clearly that is what happened).

There is no lie there.

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